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Wow, a double kinboshi day. I would rather if Kisenosato had won, but Ichinojo does deserve some credit. He came in with a strategy and is looking determined here at M1. 

Hokutofuji has gone and made things more interesting for us. Takakeisho is really starting to impress me. 

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I liked this shot of Tokyo from the Sky Tree that they showed during the broadcast, by the way.

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Some surprising results for sure, Ichinojo looks like a Yokozuna with efforts like this, just wish we saw it more and not just in flashes.  Also happy to see Hokotofuji get a victory over Hakuho, last Basho I felt like he had a real chance but Hakuho didn't offer his chest and stepped to the side.  This time around we can see how Hakuho responds to an early loss with some other strong opponents like Kakuryu and the Ozeki.

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1 hour ago, WAKATAKE said:

A rare club to join, having gotten kinboshi from all the Yokozuna that you have faced. 

Aminishiki is also a member of that club.

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But Aminishiki - as much as i admire him - needed more than 4 consecutive basho for that. I don't think that we will see this record broken for some decades.

4 kinboshi in a row vs. 4 different yokozuna in 4 consecutive basho, while facing said yokozuna only for the first (Kisenosato, Kakuryu), second (Harumafuji) or third (Hakuho) time, not having been to sanyaku before. Yes, Tosanoumi scored 6 kinboshi vs. 3 different yokozuna (3x Wakanohana, 2x Takanohana, 1x Akebono) in 4 consecutive basho, but at that point he already was a seasoned veteran (20th-23rd vs. 5th-8th active makuuchi basho). I think widening the view makes his achievement even more impressing.

Maybe he should fabricate a 7-8 for having a shot for a 5th kinboshi in a row next basho. (Laughing...)

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A very enjoyable day all round!  Takakeisho is so unfazed by his opponents; his physique and the way he just barrels in reminds me of Juggernaut from the X-Men. (Laughing...)  Ichinojo, Hokutofuji and Mitakeumi all were impressive too.  Nice to see Kakuryu returning to form.   Worrisome news about Terunofuji.  Even if his knees were Ok, a long sumo career will be difficult to sustain with a diabetes diagnosis.  The training and eating regimen is just not conducive to proper management of the condition...

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1 hour ago, ryafuji said:

Aminishiki is also a member of that club.

I believe that heyamate Takarafuji qualifies since Aminishiki has yet to face Kisenosato since his promotion to Yokozuna. 

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37 minutes ago, Benihana said:

But Aminishiki - as much as i admire him - needed more than 4 consecutive basho for that. I don't think that we will see this record broken for some decades.

4 kinboshi in a row vs. 4 different yokozuna in 4 consecutive basho, while facing said yokozuna only for the first (Kisenosato, Kakuryu), second (Harumafuji) or third (Hakuho) time, not having been to sanyaku before. Yes, Tosanoumi scored 6 kinboshi vs. 3 different yokozuna (3x Wakanohana, 2x Takanohana, 1x Akebono) in 4 consecutive basho, but at that point he already was a seasoned veteran (20th-23rd vs. 5th-8th active makuuchi basho). I think widening the view makes his achievement even more impressing.

Maybe he should fabricate a 7-8 for having a shot for a 5th kinboshi in a row next basho. (Laughing...)

Aye, that's the rub: you can't do it too often, or you overshoot and end up at Sekiwake.  There are rikishi who have specialized in make-koshi tournaments with kinboshi, but it's hard to orchestrate it just right! 

You wonder if some of those guys were making more money from their kinboshi awards than they would get for being in sanyaku.

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I never thought i would expect Kakuryu to win a Yusho over Hakuho, Kisenosato Vs. Ichinojo was the most suprising match of the day besides Kakuryu Vs. Yoshikaze. Ryuden lost, which was disappointing. And daiamami's loss too. the funnest to watch was Goeido, it made me happy. Terunofuji And Kotoshogiku Are getting pathetic, to think they were Yusho winners! and Ishiura had a good fight too.

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Ichinojo deserved that.  He was close against Hakuho and before that faced (a super impressive) Goeido, who is pretty much unbeatable in a first week.  Tomorrow he is paired with Kakuryu!  Thats the 4 highest ranking rikishi in the first 4 days.  If he comes out 2-2 it would be an incredible performance from a young lad of just 24 and he would have to be taken as a very serious contender given that the next 11 days are going to seem A LOT easier.  Seems to me he has really thought through his tactics.  He can come over as a bit half hearted but the truth is that once you start moving 215kg in a hurry, its hard to change plan.  He's holding his position rather than going all out for an intense attack and playing to his unmovable size.  I thought it may be laziness or a mistake when I saw he run his weight UP since November but I was wrong, its looking the right thing to have done.

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That was a solid performance by Ichinojo versus Kisenosato.  That makes two straight (gold star) losses for Kise against Ichinojo.  Injury or no injury, that just looks bad.  Has Kise lost his edge?  Kise (and the YDC) must be wondering if his career is more or less over...  But given that he is the sole Japanese Yokozuna, he (and the YDC) will have to think twice before retiring... 

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45 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

A very enjoyable day all round!  Takakeisho is so unfazed by his opponents; his physique and the way he just barrels in reminds me of Juggernaut from the X-Men. (Laughing...)  Ichinojo, Hokutofuji and Mitakeumi all were impressive too.  Nice to see Kakuryu returning to form.   Worrisome news about Terunofuji.  Even if his knees were Ok, a long sumo career will be difficult to sustain with a diabetes diagnosis.  The training and eating regimen is just not conducive to proper management of the condition...

I know! i want to see Terunofuji Fight A whole basho, of course not if it would be bad for him. right now i'm thinking they need to not be afraid to break from tradition to help a great rikishi's health. but if not that Toriteki would be perfect for him.

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8 minutes ago, PawnSums said:

I never thought i would expect Kakuryu to win a Yusho over Hakuho, Kisenosato Vs. Ichinojo was the most suprising match of the day besides Kakuryu Vs. Yoshikaze. Ryuden lost, which was disappointing. And daiamami's loss too. the funnest to watch was Goeido, it made me happy. Terunofuji And Kotoshogiku Are getting pathetic, to think they were Yusho winners! and Ishiura had a good fight too.

I wouldn't say Kotoshogiku is getting pathetic, he just isn't getting any younger and put up a spirited fight against a couple tough opponents, no shame in that.  M2 is pretty much a meat grinder this first week, he should be able to even his record out and look more respectable 

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20 hours ago, Arn said:

Dapeng seems to be going for the rare 0-15 record in this thread!

:-D  Because everyone used the "harisashi" and "kachiage" against me ......

Anyway, no one can deny sumo is a sport, and I insist it belongs to the combat sports.

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16 hours ago, sekitori said:

I think the primary result of Hakuho's technique being restricted will be that he'll only win two or three yushos this year.  :-)

I don't think he has the motivation to yusho more than three times a year.

 

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4 minutes ago, Jaynestown said:

I wouldn't say Kotoshogiku is getting pathetic, he just isn't getting any younger and put up a spirited fight against a couple tough opponents, no shame in that.  M2 is pretty much a meat grinder this first week, he should be able to even his record out and look more respectable 

Agreed.  Also, the tadpoles are getting bigger and stronger so his signature belly 'bumpety bumpety' thing just isn't as effective as it used to be.  Always sad to see an ozeki in decline, but he still has some fight left in him.

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1 hour ago, Dapeng said:

:-D  Because everyone used the "harisashi" and "kachiage" against me ......

Anyway, no one can deny sumo is a sport, and I insist it belongs to the combat sports.

You're missing  the whole point. Sumo is not just a sport. Ozumo is a way of life.

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Wow, it's been a while since I've seen Hakuho pushed out that easily. Congratulations to Hokutofuji having a Kinboshi against all 4 Yokozuna by his 8th basho in Makuuchi. I thought he could win today if he did it quickly and didn't give Hakuho any time to think. 

That's the best Ichinojo has looked in a long time, maybe even ever. I said yesterday he hasn't been winning bouts as much as he's not been losing them, well he certainly won this one, dominantly. Instead of securing his position and taking a two minute rest in between, he didn't give Kisenosato anytime to counter and kept charging and marched him right out. If he can do this sumo consistently I don't see any reason he couldn't get to Ozeki.

Kakuryu has looked the best by far out of anyone at the top so far. He looks more like Hakuho than Hakuho does after three days. He has to be the favorite for the yusho right now with how Hakuho has looked. Yoshikaze looks very uninspired this time.

Goeido and Takayasu both look great so far too. Both are 3-0 and Goeido is right up there with Kakuryu in terms of dominance so far.

Mitakeumi might have lost that last basho he's also 3-0, maybe he's finally going to break out this time.

I don't think I've ever seen a short guy as powerful as Takakeisho. It's been awhile since there's been a pure oshi sumo specialist at the top if I'm not forgetting someone. I think he's here to stay. Very good win against Tamawashi.

Tochinoshin has looked very strong so far. I hope he can keep it up against the top guys. It would be nice to see him do so well at the top of Maegashira.

Shodai has taken a slight hit to his Ozeki hopes to start the basho at 0-3. Gagamaru is getting back on track for Yokozuna promotion though at 1-2.

Chiyoshoma henkas his way to 3-0. He's still looked very good so far.

Ikioi:-( Terunofuji:-( Takekaze:-(

I love Chiyonokuni's sumo with the flailing arms and almost exaggerated fighting style, but he's also 0-3 and being beaten easily.

First win for Abi! Ishiura looking great at 3-0

Very interesting basho so far. Good to see all the top guys doing so well and the young ones being able to keep up. Even Kisenosato at 1-2 hasn't looked terrible. It'll be interesting to see how Hakuho vs. Yoshikaze goes today. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jaynestown said:

I wouldn't say Kotoshogiku is getting pathetic, he just isn't getting any younger and put up a spirited fight against a couple tough opponents, no shame in that.  M2 is pretty much a meat grinder this first week, he should be able to even his record out and look more respectable 

Agreed, although he was poor today against Goeido (who admittedly has looked very strong so far), I thought his match against Takayasu was very respectable yesterday. Plus with a Joi like this, someone has to come out on the bottom unfortunately. Maybe he's playing the long game? Looking to move down to the bottom of the ranking and then going for his second yusho next basho against an easier field ;)

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Would be funny if Hakuhō goes back to the slap tomorrow. Not that I expect him to.

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23 minutes ago, Yukiarashi said:

I love Chiyonokuni's sumo with the flailing arms and almost exaggerated fighting style, but he's also 0-3 and being beaten easily.


If I recall correctly, he suffered a subluxation injury to his right ankle on the final day of the last basho, missed the winter jungyo and wasn't able to do much keiko ahead of this basho. He puts 100% into every bout, but even that can't totally compensate for the lack of preparation. Hopefully as the basho goes on he'll improve, provided the ankle has healed properly of course.

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From what I've seen last 2-3 basho Takekaze is done. One has to know when to walk away.

Young guns are spectacular this time around (except Shodai, but surprisingly including Ichinojo) and I hope they show even more to finally prove the "changing guards" narrative true

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2 hours ago, Yukiarashi said:

I don't think I've ever seen a short guy as powerful as Takakeisho. It's been awhile since there's been a pure oshi sumo specialist at the top if I'm not forgetting someone. I think he's here to stay. 

 

Chiyotaikai. I am not convinced yet. 10 wins this basho will win me over though. And some osembe.

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1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:


If I recall correctly, he suffered a subluxation injury to his right ankle on the final day of the last basho, missed the winter jungyo and wasn't able to do much keiko ahead of this basho. He puts 100% into every bout, but even that can't totally compensate for the lack of preparation. Hopefully as the basho goes on he'll improve, provided the ankle has healed properly of course.

 

I forgot about that. He was in a lot of pain. He puts so much effort in his bouts I forgot about his injury. Hopefully it's not serious enough to drop to Juryo.

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1 hour ago, ALAKTORN said:

Would be funny if Hakuhō goes back to the slap tomorrow. Not that I expect him to.

 

Considering Yoshikaze beat him last time, he lost yesterday, and the elders have been all over him since his display in said Yoshikaze bout, I expect a slap, elbow, and a dameoshi into the third row. The dameoshi sends some old lady to the hospital, causing the YDC to order Hakuho not to use his arms for the rest of the tournament.

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