Basho Talk Hatsu 2018 (SPOILERS)

[ryafuji 807]

51 minutes ago, PawnSums said:

What are the OBSC Days?

 

[Bumpkin 438]

2 minutes ago, Rigel said:

I was watching Jason's Day 6 videos, even though I saw the matches live I like to hear his take. While he was talking about Kisenosato, he said that he elected not to have surgery.

Is that true?!? If so, that is fucking insane. I know that the recommended 9 month rest and rehab after surgery for his particular injury is a lot to accept by sumo standards, but he ended up getting hurt and having to withdraw a lot anyway, and now his arm is possibly still screwed up and he doesn't have the benefit of getting the surgery and rehabbing to full strength. Again, maybe Jason is wrong, but if he didn't get the surgery, then his possible forced retirement after the next basho or two is completely on him.

Yes, it's not only true but all too common. Surgery followed by months off is extremely rare. The only case I can think of is Tochinoshin. He suffered a severe knee injury in July 2013. He had surgery and took the next 3 bashos off. He fell from M11w to Ms55w. He came back and went 7-0 Y, 7-0 Y, 13-2 Y AND 15-0 Y. He was re-promoted to Makuuchi. It worked for him.

[Joaoiyama 306]

58 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Yes, it's not only true but all too common. Surgery followed by months off is extremely rare. The only case I can think of is Tochinoshin. He suffered a severe knee injury in July 2013. He had surgery and took the next 3 bashos off. He fell from M11w to Ms55w. He came back and went 7-0 Y, 7-0 Y, 13-2 Y AND 15-0 Y. He was re-promoted to Makuuchi. It worked for him.

Let's hope Terunofuji pulls this off too, sad to see potential thrown away.

[specialweek 2 136]

13 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said:

Let's hope Terunofuji pulls this off too, sad to see potential thrown away.

Planning to return this basho so it seems unlikely.

[Joaoiyama 306]

1 minute ago, specialweek 2 said:

Planning to return this basho so it seems unlikely.

Pushing through injuries on top of diabetes, horrible decision.

[Gurowake 3,915]

5 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

Planning to return this basho so it seems unlikely.

I at first thought this said "retire" instead of "return".  That shows what I think would be best at least.

[specialweek 2 136]

Aminishiki and Terunofuji are expecting to return. Aminishiki following doctor's check up Monday so could be back Tuesday or Wednesday, Terunofuji's sugar count is down so possibly coming back. Apparently he and Oyakata don't see beyond that. Amazing.

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

1 hour ago, Bumpkin said:

Yes, it's not only true but all too common. Surgery followed by months off is extremely rare. The only case I can think of is Tochinoshin. He suffered a severe knee injury in July 2013. He had surgery and took the next 3 bashos off. He fell from M11w to Ms55w. He came back and went 7-0 Y, 7-0 Y, 13-2 Y AND 15-0 Y. He was re-promoted to Makuuchi. It worked for him.

Chiyonokuni is actually another case. He injured his shoulder I believe and fell all the way to sandanme.

[Morty 1,480]

10 hours ago, Dwale said:

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Shohozan was intentionally trying to provoke Kotoyuki. Kotoyuki can be pretty fast, but only in a straight line and he's not good at stopping, either. Looked like Shohozan wanted to get him riled and then use Kotoyuki's charge against him. Kotoyuki really needs to learn to chill, he defeats himself half the time by being too hasty.

That bout was a clear example of why having good footwork and lateral movement is crucial in sumo. Lots of rikishi can go forward strongly but it is the ones who can go sideways as well when needed that usually take it.

[Gurowake 3,915]

I personally think Mitakeumi gets promoted with a zensho most of the time, and never with anything less, even a 14-1 with playoff win.  He gets the normal promotion requirements (33/3) for next basho assuming he doesn't make it this time.  He doesn't nearly have as long of a history as Goeido did of maintaining his rank to slip in with just two double digit tournaments and less than 33 wins.  But if he can manage to down all the competition this basho, that should be enough, though I wouldn't say it's a sure thing.

Of course, I think it's highly unlikely he will manage any of this right now.  He's certainly looking like the next Ozeki, but I still think he has needs more time to develop, and he'll end up finally getting there in a year or so, like Takayasu did long after it seemed clear that he was the next Ozeki.

[Joaoiyama 306]

1 hour ago, WAKATAKE said:

Chiyonokuni is actually another case. He injured his shoulder I believe and fell all the way to sandanme.

His knee ligaments too against Aoiyama.

[Dapeng 232]

7 hours ago, PawnSums said:

Kisenosato Intai Coming Up, if not him deciding it will be the YDC, Kakuryu has this in the bag. probably.

Now the YDC chairman said he'll listen to the opinions of other members at their post basho meeting, indicating they will discuss it. I believe they will give Kise one more chance. As to Kise, he may continue to kyujo next basho and bet on the summer basho.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Dapeng

[Rocks 1,807]

That Kizenryu / Daishoho bout was wild. It was like they became conjoined twins right at the start.  

[Kintamayama 44,346]

The question of Kisenosato's future will definitely come up at the YDC meeting on January 29th, including a possible ultimatum, says a reporter, . It's the first time in 65 years that a Yokozuna has lost 4 of his first 5 bouts. 5 straight kyujos is the first since 2003 and Musashimaru.  "I decided to enter so I'll see it through, " said Kisenosato after asageiko on day 5, and went kyujo on day 6. It was decided during a phone call on the morning of day 6. He did not show up in public himself and Tagonoura Oyakata did all the talking. "He is frustrated and probably irritated.." said the Oyakata. He added that the old pectoral injury was aggravated during his ungracious fall from the dohyo in his loss to Yoshikaze. After the bout, Kisenosato went to the heya for 10 minutes and told the Oyakata that he would like to see how he felt and then decide if he stays or withdraws. He then called the Oyakata late at night saying "it will be difficult" to show up the next day and said he was withdrawing. The Oyakata convinced him to wait till morning and then decide, but in the morning they went with the kyujo. "He was adamant.." explained the Oyakata. Kisenosato then went to the hospital for a check- up and the medical certificate was issued, signed, sealed and delivered to the Kyokai.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Rocks 1,807]

It must be bum knee night in Juryo because everybody with one is winning. 

[Senkoho 552]

6 hours ago, Gurowake said:

The order of the torikumi among the top-ranked rikishi is almost completely decided by rank, and is guessable to a reasonable degree if you pay attention (see the game Guess Kisenosato's Aite).  It's designed so that the very top ranked guys face each other last, because on average that will create the most tension.  They can't really change the plan based on how well the rikishi are actually doing because there's a lot of tradition behind having the Yokozuna and Ozeki all face each other as late as possible regardless of record.

This always bothered me quite a bit because early kyujos from Y/O mean that the remaining Y/O will have an easier schedule than the lower joi, which doesn't' seem fair. Of course it would be a bit anticlimactic for the Y/O to face each other early on, but it would also make sense - the top ranked rikishi should have the toughest schedule, right?

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

At this rate Kisenosato is going the Onokuni route, but comparing their yokozuna tenures so far Onokuni's record looks more favorable.

[Asashosakari 18,783]

5 minutes ago, Senkoho said:

This always bothered me quite a bit because early kyujos from Y/O mean that the remaining Y/O will have an easier schedule than the lower joi, which doesn't' seem fair.

I don't know about that. Usually a first-week withdrawal by a top-ranker means that he has been dispensing lots of wins to exactly those lower joi opponents, so the remaining Y/O get an easier schedule in name only.

[Akinomaki 39,755]

I don't think I would have become a sumo fan with radio - NHK for the bout with Kaisei put in the radio broadcast, which still goes on each basho for 90 years, now 65 years after the start of the TV broadcast.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Rocks 1,807]

Damn. I knew Tochi was going to lose as soon as he mounted the ring . He gave it his best shot but he was already red before the match started. His heart was racing. Too nervous. 

 

How about how loud Hokotofuji and Tamawashi's heads knocking together was? CRACK!

 

Takayasu shouldn't have gone for that last grip change.  Good win for Ichnojo though.

[Benihana 1,901]

Did we just see Ichinojo using a leg trip technique? Who are you and what have you done with Ichinojo? Are you some kind of intergalactic roach wearing an Ichinojo costume?

So far everything going according to plan, only Kakuryu left for Mitakeumi on his road to yusho no.1 of many.

 

Edited January 20, 2018 by Benihana

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

24 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Did we just see Ichinojo using a leg trip technique? Who are you and what have you done with Ichinojo? Are you some kind of intergalactic roach wearing an ichinojo costume?

Now it's all clear. The once hailed juggernaut Ichinojo cleverly went into hiding until the powers that be are fading away and will now resume his conquest for dominance.

[Yukiarashi 195]

I don't know what's going on. Ichinojo has technique all of a sudden, Kakuryu is 7-0, Hakuho is the one who gave up two kinboshi in a row, Kisenosato was 1-5, Tochinoshin was 6-0 in upper Maegashira, Kakuryu-Tochinoshin was the showdown of the basho, Chiyomaru is 5-2 in mid-maegashira, Aoiyama is makekoshi in Juryo, Someone's named Aqua in Juryo, Kotoshogiku's winning kinboshis, Terunofuji is at Maegashira 10, and half of Sanyaku has been referred to as larval amphibians. 

[Munjeezy 60]

14 minutes ago, Yukiarashi said:

larval amphibians.

Thank you for this!

[rhyen 1,808]

2 hours ago, Benihana said:

Did we just see Ichinojo using a leg trip technique? Who are you and what have you done with Ichinojo? Are you some kind of intergalactic roach wearing an Ichinojo costume?

So far everything going according to plan, only Kakuryu left for Mitakeumi on his road to yusho no.1 of many.

 

Maybe Harumafuji did an altered carbon...