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Ura Abi Shodai Kotonowaka

Mitakeumi Ura Kotonowaka Daieisho Abi Wakamotoharu Nishikigi Hoshoryu

5 Yokozuna might be a possibility some day. The only other thing in the realm of possibility is that they expand the division to make M19 possible.

When i saw the new posts in this thread, I thought, "What if he hurts himself in training now?"

I support trying it for one more tournament, but if we end up with at least 4 YokOzeki for Aki, we should move on to someone else. We'll have to change the name of the game regardless.

After further thought I was surprised by this even being true, and checked the number of Makuuchi basho and yes, he only had 52 and needs to have had 60. Myogiryu has 66.

Yeah, I only jumped on the first part of the post and didn't really absorb the rest of it. That indeed makes sense.

He might not be able to branch out, but surely he could inherit one?

If you're counting by tournaments, no doubt. No one else in the 6 basho era has 14 years or more, while he has 15. But some pre-6-basho-era guys had a longer length of time, such as http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3855 and http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3736. Note I didn't check those who topped out at Yokozuna, but I don't think that's necessary.

And you expect people to help you out? Here's all the help I'll give - you definitely made one obvious mistake somewhere.

I would consider it possible or even likely that they'd keep a J1 over Tochimusashi and a J2 over 4-3 Ms5, but that's it, but it's also possible that the numbers aren't really considered and there's a strict line exactly as you put it.

Indeed, even if we were to use my general rule of thumb that an 0-15 is worth a -13 instead of -15, it works out to one slot worse, J16w instead of J16e.

Yes, @Jejima, please start the procedure.

I hadn't realized this aspect of his life before, so I checked out his Wikipedia article, and it now makes sense why it took him as long as it did to make the joi yet go on to improve enough to get to Ozeki - he came in at 18/19 with no sumo experience, unlike Ichinojo and Terunofuji. So even if he had bokh and Judo experience, having 3 less years to learn the sport itself makes it harder to advance up the ranks in age at the same pace Hakuho, Ama, and Kakuryu did, who entered when they were younger without sumo experience either (at least, I assume for Ama, though it's not clear from his Wikipedia page). His rise up the ranks based on age was still pretty good, reminiscent of decently experienced high schoolers, but far behind the likes of Goeido or Terunofuji who entered at similar ages and went on to Ozeki after rising to the joi in time to make my empirical cut off. If he had actually managed to enter three years earlier, I could see him have needing the same amount of time to physically mature to get to Ozeki, but he could have reasonably made the joi a few years earlier. Now when Daieisho or Wakamotoharu make it next basho I need to come up with another excuse.

If that's the case though, then Atamifuji really had a harder schedule relative to his rank, because he ranked 10 places lower. It works out that way most of the time though because there's just no way for someone in the top 6 spots to have anything resembling their own rank as an average bout, and the same is true in the opposite direction at the bottom of the banzuke.