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  1. I could be wrong, but I do think it's still the same three-year time limit. As for which ex-Kasugayama this time limit now applies to, if any... I think the most likely outcome is simply that the Kyokai quietly pays off ex-Kasugafuji for the certificate (they could just make a new one, but you don't want the other one still floating around), while ex-Hamanishiki's "ownership" of the myoseki just gets revoked because he's no longer a Kyokai member now and can't actually prove his claim to the share. I have little doubt that that is still going on, but technically it's forbidden now. Of course, it's anybody's guess whether the Kyokai will actually hand out punishments as promised when (not if) they catch an offender... I imagine everybody's hoping that Ishiura can make a sanyaku appearance within the next year and a half so that they can just shuffle off the share to him, regardless of who would actually be paying for it (probably Hakuho). Absent Mongolians naturalizing, Isegahama-ichimon is very short on credible oyakata candidates at the moment...basically just Takarafuji. Some other guys such as Homarefuji and Asahisho do have the basho numbers as well, but might well be too inconsequential to fit into the ichimon's kabu plans.
  2. My attempt: Hakuho (Y2e 11-4) Y1 Kakuryu (Y1e 5-6-4) Harumafuji (Y1w 4-3-8) Y2 Kisenosato (O1e 14-1 Y) Goeido (O1w 8-5-2) O Terunofuji (O2e 4-11) Tamawashi (Se 9-6) S1 Takayasu (Ke 11-4) Kotoshogiku (O2w 5-10) S2 --- Mitakeumi (M1w 11-4) K Shodai (Sw 7-8) Takekaze (M5e 10-5) M1 Ikioi (M3w 8-7) Sokokurai (M10w 12-3) M2 Takanoiwa (M10e 11-4) Shohozan (M2e 7-8) M3 Takarafuji (M1e 6-9) Yoshikaze (M5w 8-7) M4 Hokutofuji (M8e 9-6) Chiyonokuni (M8w 9-6) M5 Arawashi (M2w 6-9) Endo (M4w 7-8) M6 Aoiyama (M7w 8-7) Ichinojo (M13w 11-4) M7 Chiyoshoma (M6e 7-8) Kaisei (M9e 8-7) M8 Okinoumi (M3e 4-11) Kotoyuki (M6w 6-9) M9 Kagayaki (M11e 8-7) Tochiozan (M4e 3-12) M10 Tochinoshin (Kw 0-6-9) Ishiura (M9w 6-9) M11 Daieisho (J2w 12-3 Y) Sadanoumi (M15w 8-7) M12 Myogiryu (M7e 4-11) Takakeisho (M12e 7-8) M13 Daishomaru (M12w 7-8) Ura (J3e 11-4) M14 Nishikigi (M11w 5-10) Kyokushuho (J2e 8-7) M15 Chiyoo (M15e 7-8) Chiyootori (M14e 6-9) M16 --- My first draft still looked quite a bit different in the lower half: Kaisei (M9e 8-7) M8 Kagayaki (M11e 8-7) Okinoumi (M3e 4-11) M9 Kotoyuki (M6w 6-9) Daieisho (J2w 12-3 Y) M10 Tochinoshin (Kw 0-6-9) Tochiozan (M4e 3-12) M11 Sadanoumi (M15w 8-7) Ishiura (M9w 6-9) M12 Ura (J3e 11-4) Takakeisho (M12e 7-8) M13 Daishomaru (M12w 7-8) Myogiryu (M7e 4-11) M14 Kyokushuho (J2e 8-7) Nishikigi (M11w 5-10) M15 Chiyoo (M15e 7-8) Chiyootori (M14e 6-9) M16 --- My actual submission ended up with lots more banzuke luck for the makekoshi rikishi, because that's how they've mostly done it the last few times, but I'm not at all convinced I've made the right choices here.
  3. Yeah, as Benihana says the 15-bout approach made some sense at the time, but they didn't seem to anticipate how quickly the number of active rikishi would be rising in the post-WWII boom, which made it untenable again. I actually wonder how the heck they made the 8-bout system work for as long as they did, considering everybody had a bout on Day 1 under that approach. From Day 2 to 15 it worked like the current system, one bout in each two days. Anyway, even if time constraints weren't relevant, there's one other important consideration: Is it actually possible to match up opponents for the whole basho in a meaningful way? The quasi-Swiss system they use in the large divisions works very well, because it effectively means that each set of 128 rikishi is playing down to one 7-0 record, and there's almost no need for manual match-making (unlike makuuchi and juryo), and also relatively little need for additional bouts (i.e. playoffs). IMHO, trying to stretch that out into 15 bouts would get rather complicated - maybe not with rikishi fighting for middle of the pack results (let's say, from about 5-10 to 10-5), but at the extreme ends of the hoshitori the complexity would go up quite a bit. The biggest hurdle is that you still need to determine the four divisional yusho winners, and that would become a lot less straight-forward than it is right now. IMHO, 15-bout scheduling probably becomes very impractical in divisions with >50 rikishi, maybe even at >40 already. (Keep in mind that makuuchi is practically two divisions for scheduling purposes, one with the top 16 and one with the other 26 rikishi, so it's well below those numbers, as is juryo with its 28 spots.)
  4. Maybe he came across a few Rufakiyama posts from a couple of years ago...
  5. In any case, back during the early Asashoryu days we had quite a few 20+ and even 30+ year old posters who were out-juveniling the most annoying teenage kids imaginable, so it's not like an age minimum would help with everything... Heck, one of them ended up doing it professionally.
  6. There's always Google when finding a player entry through the site itself is too cumbersome...
  7. Blast from the past, the first mention of Kise's football fandom four years ago (click through for the full post):
  8. That depends on what "doing well in sumo" means to each individual rikishi. If it's about becoming a major star and maybe even yokozuna, then the limited evidence is that it's probably not a good idea to wait until after college to turn pro. If it's just about making a good living through sumo, as a makuuchi regular, then high school / college is worthwhile. You still get to hone your skills in a competitive environment, and while the attrition rate in amateur sumo is probably much the same as in the pro ranks, if you're one of the guys who succumbs to injury early (or just realize that you don't have what it takes), at least you're already in an education program.
  9. Complete results, via the official site: Juryo (kyujo: Wakanoshima) Preliminary Rikishin hikiotoshi Daiamami Terutsuyoshi uwatenage Kizenryu Asahisho hikiotoshi Satoyama Last 24 Azumaryu okuridashi Amuru Kyokutaisei yorikiri Tokushoryu Onosho tsukidashi Oyanagi Yamaguchi yorikiri Kyokushuho Amakaze hikiotoshi Daiamami Ura shitatedashinage Chiyomaru Kotoeko okuridashi Aminishiki Homarefuji yorikiri Ryuden Daieisho yorikiri Kizenryu Kitataiki okuridashi Toyohibiki Tsurugisho yorikiri Seiro Asahisho yorikiri Hidenoumi Last 12 Azumaryu oshidashi Kyokutaisei Onosho oshidashi Kyokushuho Daiamami shitatedashinage Ura Kotoeko yorikiri Ryuden Daieisho yorikiri Kitataiki Seiro yorikiri Hidenoumi Last 6 Kyokutaisei hatakikomi Onosho Ura oshidashi Ryuden Daieisho uwatedashinage Seiro Tomoe-sen final Kyokutaisei oshidashi Ryuden Kyokutaisei yorikiri Seiro Makuuchi (kyujo: Harumafuji, Goeido, Tochinoshin; withdrawn: Chiyoo) The top 8 from the Hatsu banzuke were seeded tennis-style: (1) Kakuryu - (6) Tamawashi (5) Kotoshogiku - (3) Kisenosato (4) Terunofuji - (8) Takayasu (7) Shodai - (2) Hakuho Preliminary Ichinojo yorikiri Sokokurai Gagamaru oshidashi Chiyootori Chiyoo fusen Daishomaru Ishiura yorikiri Sadanoumi Takanoiwa yorikiri Osunaarashi Kagayaki yorikiri Takakeisho Chiyotairyu hatakikomi Nishikigi Last 32 Kakuryu yorikiri Shohozan Mitakeumi yorikiri Chiyonokuni Okinoumi yorikiri Ichinojo Yoshikaze kotenage Tamawashi Kotoshogiku yorikiri Gagamaru Kaisei yorikiri Kotoyuki Ikioi yorikiri Daishomaru Takarafuji yorikiri Kisenosato Terunofuji yorikiri Hokutofuji Ishiura shitatehineri Chiyoshoma Aoiyama tsuridashi Takekaze Takanoiwa hikiotoshi Takayasu Shodai yorikiri Arawashi Kagayaki yorikiri Myogiryu Endo oshidashi Chiyotairyu Tochiozan yorikiri Hakuho Last 16 Shohozan uwatenage Mitakeumi Ichinojo oshidashi Tamawashi Gagamaru oshidashi Kaisei Ikioi yorikiri Kisenosato Terunofuji kimedashi Ishiura Aoiyama uwatenage Takanoiwa Shodai yorikiri Kagayaki Chiyotairyu yorikiri Tochiozan Quarterfinal Shohozan oshidashi Tamawashi Gagamaru yorikiri Kisenosato Terunofuji yorikiri Takanoiwa Kagayaki oshidashi Tochiozan Semifinal Tamawashi oshidashi Kisenosato Takanoiwa yorikiri Tochiozan Final Kisenosato tsukiotoshi Takanoiwa Tochiozan was awarded the kanto-sho.
  10. For what it's worth, I'm a bit doubtful that Asashoryu would have been content playing second fiddle to Hakuho for too long. The disparity between them had already become quite pronounced by the time of his forced exit, and given what we now know about what Hakuho developed into right afterwards, I don't think Asashoryu would have been much more than a Harumafuji with somewhat better W-L's in those years.
  11. Blind guess because I'm terrible both at recognizing faces and at recognizing heya environments: Is it one of the Saito twins (Fujinohana/Fujinoumi) in Dewanoumi-beya?
  12. I have no idea if they would, but I'd guess the public pressure to promote him would be considerable if a rikishi really managed to get three consecutive yusho as komusubi, sekiwake and ozeki. Of course, as things stand nobody has ever managed to get consecutive top scores below the ozeki rank - including playoff losses, so not even limited to just yusho - so it's a question that has never presented itself with a newly promoted ozeki.. Edit: Oops, I lied. Tamanishiki did it in the pre-playoff era, though he still wasn't ozeki afterwards! Edit again: And so did fellow future yokozuna Minanogawa and Musashiyama a few years later, both also without getting promoted to ozeki.
  13. Kotozakura wasn't kadoban.
  14. Talk about a clutch performance.
  15. Apropos the "how does the Kyokai see complex heya successions" question, I just noticed that the most recent banzuke topics proclaimed Takanohana-beya as "founded" in February 2004, not merely renamed from Futagoyama and continued... I thought that maybe it's just an error, but the previous times that Takanohana-beya was mentioned in the topics, the same phrasing was used. (Before anyone asks, I'm of course talking about the Japanese original texts, not the English translations. Incidentally, they got an English native speaker to do those this time.) Edit: Doesn't seem to be handled consistently. Fujishima-beya is referred to as "founded", while Yamahibiki-beya is "inherited", despite both receiving a name change on the shisho change. Maybe it's down to whether or not the new shisho fulfilled the founder criteria? Takanohana and Musoyama did, Ganyu didn't. Of course, Takanohana's case predates the enhanced regulations anyway.