Asashosakari

A new thread is probably a good idea in any case, because if this one keeps going the way it has any longer, it risks becoming the dumbest thread ever contributed to this forum, and that would be a shame for Kakuryu's danpatsu efforts.

Even with Shotenro still a borrower, it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see the Dewanoumi group gobble up the Nishikijima share eventually.

That article appears to be full of crap and besides implying things about sportsbetting in Japan that plainly aren't true, it either intentionally or unintentionally blurs the line between "sports in Japan that people [not necessarily Japanese] bet on" and "sports [not necessarily in Japan] that Japanese people bet on". Well, at least one person believed it, so job done I guess.

It's not like their creativity in that era stopped at not promoting 8-7's.

I had pretty much that, just with the J13's flipped. Might as well mention here that my juryo guess (did I post it?) has a whopping 7 ranks that are East-West flipped from the real thing (J1-4, J7-8, J13). The only other error was putting Tochimaru in front of Ishiura and Kaisei rather than behind them, so in GTB terms that would have been 11 twos, 15 ones and 2 zeros...

Hands up, who saw Hidenoumi getting stuck at J1w coming?

67 here. Nishikigi/Shimanoumi and Tsurugisho/Onosho for me, too, plus a rather suboptimal maegashira-joi (Takanosho/Ichinojo for -4, Ura/Wakamotoharu/Takayasu for -5).

Makushita Sandanme Jonidan Jonokuchi (New shikona in red.)

Makushita-joi Takakento Ms1 Kinbozan Roga Ms2 Kanno Tomokaze Ms3 Daishomaru Kamito Ms4 Chiyonoumi Chiyoarashi Ms5 Shohozan Akiseyama Ms6 Tsukahara Tsushimanada Ms7 Kotoyusho Fujiseiun Ms8 Hamayutaka Kainoshima Ms9 Tsurubayashi Tochikamiyama Ms10 Oshoryu Tochiseiryu Ms11 Kitaharima Hakuyozan Ms12 Shiden Oki Ms13 Yutakasho Shishi Ms14 Fukai Shonannoumi Ms15 Suzuki

Juryo Ryuden J1 Hidenoumi Azumaryu J2 Tohakuryu Kagayaki J3 Daishoho Asanowaka J4 Mitoryu Chiyonokuni J5 Tokushoryu Atamifuji J6 Bushozan Akua J7 Kotokuzan Hiradoumi J8 Enho Kaisho J9 Churanoumi Shimazuumi J10 Ishiura Kaisei J11 Tochimaru Kitanowaka J12 Yago Oshoma J13 Hokuseiho Chiyosakae J14 Gonoyama

https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ Makuuchi Terunofuji Y --- Takakeisho O Mitakeumi --- O Shodai Wakatakakage S Daieisho Hoshoryu K Abi Kiribayama M1 Takanosho Kotonowaka M2 Ichinojo Tamawashi M3 Ura Wakamotoharu M4 Takayasu Endo M5 Sadanoumi Aoiyama M6 Tobizaru Okinoumi M7 Hokutofuji Tochinoshin M8 Nishikigi Shimanoumi M9 Kotoeko Chiyotairyu M10 Meisei Kotoshoho M11 Midorifuji Terutsuyoshi M12 Takarafuji Ichiyamamoto M13 Chiyoshoma Myogiryu M14 Tsurugisho Onosho M15 Oho Yutakayama M16 Daiamami Nishikifuji M17 Chiyomaru

Sadly, it's probably just the logical extension of how it has always worked. I've read stories before of oyakata being 'pursuaded' monetarily to retire a bit early (i.e. before 65 then). The interesting part here is indeed that the 5 extra years appear to be treated as a full-on entitlement now.

(quote transferred from the Shohozan intai thread) Also, a revealing comment from that article if true (and I personally don't doubt that it is): "The oyakata salary during the age 65-70 re-employment period equals 70% of the previous salary, totalling about 40 million ¥ across the five years. When the kabu is given up at age 65, the acquirer faces a bigger challenge because that amount will have to be covered by him [in addition to what he's paying to get the kabu in any case]."

But isn't that exactly where something like the Kyushu 2019 GTB shows that a lot of entrants still expect more generous promotions than there are going to be? I would say that nearly all of the "big" GTB players would have been very surprised by more than two sekiwake back then, yet nearly a quarter of the field had 3 or 4 of them anyway. The observed stinginess was hardly a new phenomenon anymore even three years ago. That's why it's rarely a good idea to a priori limit the analysis to just the komusubi. (And I'd argue that it's likely to be a sizable share this time too, despite even less justification for 3+, since GTB is currently going through a popularity spell and the quality of the average entry tends to drop whenever the game gets a lot of more casual players.)

My original objection was effectively what Gurowake has since described. Yes, your counts were correct, but they were the answer to a question that wasn't very meaningful to begin with and, like Gurowake, I doubted that that was the question Seiyashi was intending to have answered in bringing up Kyushu 2019.