Naganoyama 5,855 Posted September 25, 2017 Both makuuchi and juryo were won by rikishi who were one loss behind on the final day, beat the rikishi who was in the lead to force a play-off and then won the play-off. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted September 25, 2017 17 hours ago, ryafuji said: I'm guessing Takekaze's yorikiri percentage is extremely low as well for a rikishi with such a long career. I think the last time he used it to win a bout was in 2014. I've been looking at the percentages for all of the makuuchi for Aki; here's what I have so far: Takakaze is the second lowest; Takakeisho is the lowest by far (1 actual bout out of 131). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,809 Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Yamanashi said: I've been looking at the percentages for all of the makuuchi for Aki; here's what I have so far: Takakaze is the second lowest; Takakeisho is the lowest by far (1 actual bout out of 131). Better to focus on the oshi-zumo specialist for a better comparison. Most of the others are yotsu-specialist or all rounders. Onosho, Chiyomaru, Chiyotairyu, Kagayaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted September 25, 2017 4 hours ago, rhyen said: Better to focus on the oshi-zumo specialist for a better comparison. Most of the others are yotsu-specialist or all rounders. Onosho, Chiyomaru, Chiyotairyu, Kagayaki Done. I've also calculated the oshidashi/yorikiri ratio. Takakeisho still sticks out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted September 26, 2017 On 23.7.2017 at 07:56, Asashosakari said: Fun with rarely seen successive results: 6-1 -> 6-1 -> 1-6 -> 1-6 Just seen this basho, and only slightly less rare: 6-1 -> 1-6 -> 6-1 -> 1-6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted September 30, 2017 NHK had an info graphic on senshuraku, listing the previous three yusho winners who had won despite trailing by 2 wins after Day 12. Here's a somewhat expanded version of that: all yusho winners who trailed by 2 at some point after Day 10, and how the yusho race developed from their point of view, listing how many rikishi (if any) were ahead of them after each day. (red = trailed by 2 or 3, blue = trailed by 1, green = in the lead) Basho Winner Day 10 Day 11 Day 12 Day 13 Day 14 Day 15 1954.03 12-3: Oe Mitsuneyama 7-3: 1x 9-1, 1x 8-2 8-3: 1x 9-2 9-3: led with 6 10-3: led with 2 11-3: led alone 12-3: outright yusho 1955.01 12-3: Y1e Chiyonoyama 7-3: 1x 9-1, 2x 8-2 8-3: 1x 9-2 9-3: led with 4 10-3: led with 2 11-3: led with 1 12-3: playoff yusho over 1 1956.05 12-3: O1e Wakanohana 7-3: 1x 9-1, 3x 8-2 8-3: 2x 9-2 9-3: 1x 10-2 10-3: led with 3 11-3: led with 1 12-3: playoff yusho over 1 1965.07 13-2: Y1w Taiho 9-1: 1x 10-0 9-2: 1x 11-0 10-2: 1x 11-1 11-2: 1x 12-1 12-2: led with 1 13-2: outright yusho 1965.09 12-3: Y2e Kashiwado 7-3: 2x 9-1, 1x 8-2 8-3: 1x 10-1, 1x 9-2 9-3: 2x 10-2 10-3: 2x 11-2 11-3: led with 3 12-3: playoff yusho over 2 1967.11 12-3: Y1w Sadanoyama 9-1: 1x 10-0 9-2: 1x 10-1 9-3: 1x 11-1 10-3: 1x 11-2 11-3: led with 2 12-3: outright yusho 1972.01 11-4: M5w Tochiazuma 7-3: 1x 8-2 7-4: 1x 9-2, 1x 8-3 8-4: 1x 9-3 9-4: led with 4 10-4: led with 2 11-4: outright yusho 1974.07 13-2: Y1e Wajima 9-1: 1x 10-0 9-2: 1x 11-0 10-2: 1x 11-1 11-2: 1x 12-1 12-2: 1x 13-1 13-2: playoff yusho over 1 1999.01 13-2: S1e Chiyotaikai 9-1: 1x 10-0 10-1: 1x 11-0 10-2: 1x 12-0 11-2: 1x 12-1 12-2: 1x 13-1 13-2: playoff yusho over 1 1999.11 12-3: Y1e Musashimaru 7-3: 1x 9-1, 3x 8-2 8-3: 1x 10-1, 1x 9-2 9-3: 1x 10-2 10-3: led with 2 11-3: led with 1 12-3: outright yusho 2005.09 13-2: Ye Asashoryu 9-1: 1x 10-0 9-2: 1x 11-0 10-2: 1x 12-0 11-2: 1x 12-1 12-2: led with 1 13-2: playoff yusho over 1 2012.05 12-3: M7w Kyokutenho 7-3: 1x 9-1, 3x 8-2 8-3: 1x 10-1 9-3: 1x 10-2 10-3: led with 2 11-3: led with 2 12-3: playoff yusho over 1 2015.05 12-3: Se Terunofuji 8-2: 2x 9-1 8-3: 2x 10-1, 2x 9-2 9-3: 2x 10-2 10-3: 1x 11-2 11-3: led with 1 12-3: outright yusho 2015.09 12-3: Y1w Kakuryu 8-2: 1x 10-0, 1x 9-1 9-2: 1x 11-0, 1x 10-1 10-2: 1x 11-1 11-2: led with 1 12-2: led alone 12-3: playoff yusho over 1 2017.09 11-4: Y1w Harumafuji 6-4: 1x 9-1, 1x 8-2, 6x 7-3 7-4: 1x 10-1, 3x 8-3 8-4: 1x 10-2 9-4: 1x 10-3 10-4: 1x 11-3 11-4: playoff yusho over 1 Sadanoyama's yusho, the first case of somebody coming back from 2 down with 3 to go, is a pretty boring story actually: Leader Taiho apparently got injured in his Day 12 win and missed the final three bouts of the basho, and two of the three pursuers were yokozuna (Sadanoyama and Kashiwado), so it's not a big surprise that one of them ended up catching him and claiming the title. Harumafuji trailing by 3 wins after Day 10 makes him the only one who has managed to come back from that in the last 5 days. However, he's not the only one overall as one other winner was behind by 3 at an earlier date than Day 10, and thus was the very first one to claim a championship from that far down. Who was it? (Harumafuji himself was 3 down after Day 5 as well, not only after Day 10.) 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,923 Posted October 1, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 15:30, Asashosakari said: Harumafuji trailing by 3 wins after Day 10 makes him the only one who has managed to come back from that in the last 5 days. However, he's not the only one overall as one other winner was behind by 3 at an earlier date than Day 10, and thus was the very first one to claim a championship from that far down. Who was it? (Harumafuji himself was 3 down after Day 5 as well, not only after Day 10.) Kyokutenho also started 2-3 on his Yusho run. Kotoshogiku was 5-0 to start that basho. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,923 Posted October 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Gurowake said: Kyokutenho also started 2-3 on his Yusho run. Kotoshogiku was 5-0 to start that basho. That basho also featured an Ozeki who was 2 wins in the lead at 10-1 after Day 11 and only won again on Day 14 to finish 11-4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted October 2, 2017 Yokozuna Musashimaru is the only rikishi in the 15 day basho era to have won the yusho with a 15-0, 14-1, 13-2, 12-3 and 11-4. Harumafuji has the yusho with all of those records EXCEPT a 12-3. 7 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted October 3, 2017 The oldest Makuuchi next basho will be Aminishiki (born 10/3/1978). The oyakata of Naruto-beya will be ex-Kotooshu (born 2/19/1983). How often is a top-ranker older than the youngest stable master? Is this the largest age difference? Has a rikishi in Maegashira or above ever been older than his own oyakata? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) On 4.10.2017 at 07:59, Yamanashi said: Has a rikishi in Maegashira or above ever been older than his own oyakata? Takamisakari and his shisho Azumazeki (ex-Ushiomaru) who is two years younger Edited October 5, 2017 by Senkoho 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted October 15, 2017 In 2008, Aminishiki achieved something that 5 current or future yokozuna and 8 other current or future san'yaku couldn't. What was it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,249 Posted October 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, Yamanashi said: In 2008, Aminishiki achieved something that 5 current or future yokozuna and 8 other current or future san'yaku couldn't. What was it? Run a funny blog? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,901 Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yamanashi said: In 2008, Aminishiki achieved something that 5 current or future yokozuna and 8 other current or future san'yaku couldn't. What was it? He needed only 4 consecutive tournaments to defeat all the Y/Os at least once while being maegashira? Edited October 15, 2017 by Benihana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Tsuchinoninjin said: Run a funny blog? ROFL, but no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted October 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Benihana said: He needed only 4 consecutive tournaments to defeat all the Y/Os at least once while being maegashira? Not what I was looking for, but way cool! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,901 Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Yamanashi said: Not what I was looking for, but way cool! I don't know if that's correct, just a guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,870 Posted October 15, 2017 Six nakabi losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,728 Posted October 15, 2017 He did get six losses on the eighth day, but what I was going for was this: In Natsu basho 2008, he was the only rikishi to defeat Kotooshu: Not Asashoryu (Y1e) Not Hakuho (Y1w) Not Kakuryu (M3w) Not Ama (S1e) Not Kisenosato (K1e) ... and not Kaio, Baruto, etc. In fact, for 2008 he beat Hakuho twice and Kakuryu three times -- and he owned Osh (5-1). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,989 Posted October 27, 2017 Whut? That's not a quiz, that's a scandal! Reminds me a bit of: What have the icons on the top of the reply box in common? a) They are all stupid. b) They are all not stupid at all. c) They are all on top of the reply box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Entering Kyushu basho Toyonoshima is in his 7th consecutive basho since he got demoted from juryo, moving him into a tie for second place all-time among unsalaried ex-sekiwake. The runaway leader is Tochiakagi who was on the banzuke for 27 more basho after losing his sekitori status. Tied with Toyonoshima at #2 is Dewagatake from the 1930s, albeit a time when there were only two annual basho, so he was down there for a lot longer with his 7 tournaments. In 4th place we have Hoo with 6 basho. And that's the lot for former sekiwake who decided to stick it out, none of the others who were demoted hung around for more than 3 tournaments before retiring or getting back to juryo. Edited November 8, 2017 by Asashosakari 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted November 8, 2017 27 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: Entering Kyushu basho Toyonoshima is in his 7th consecutive basho since he got demoted from juryo, moving him into a tie for second place all-time among unsalaried ex-sekiwake. The runaway leader is Tochiakagi who was on the banzuke for 27 more basho after losing his sekitori status. Tied with Toyonoshima at #2 is Dewagatake from the 1930s, albeit a time when there were only two annual basho, so he was down there for a lot longer with his 7 tournaments. In 4th place we have Hoo with 6 basho. And that's the lot for former sekiwake who decided to stick it out, none of the others who were demoted hung around for more than 3 tournaments before retiring or getting back to juryo. Tochiakagi might be ahead of Toyonoshima here, but they are not really in the same class. Toyonoshima had 5 jun-yusho and appeared in a yusho kettei-sen, he probably is already the leader in such a category. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Most appearances in Ms1-Ms5 without ever earning promotion to juryo: # Rikishi First Last HiRk-------------------------------------- 7 Tsuwatari 1957.11 1959.01 Ms3 7 Takabe 1970.01 1973.01 Ms1 7 Taigiyama 1979.09 1984.03 Ms2 7 Shishuyama 1984.11 1988.05 Ms1 7 Fujinoyama 2000.01 2004.07 Ms1 7 Kairyu 2012.05 2017.05 Ms2 active 6 Inanobori 1958.05 1959.11 Ms1 6 Sasada 1961.07 1963.09 Ms1 6 Hokkai 1962.07 1964.03 Ms1 6 Daiogi 1971.07 1972.11 Ms2 6 Raiko 1977.01 1980.05 Ms2 6 Arai 1981.01 1984.01 Ms3 6 Asahimaru 2002.11 2008.01 Ms2 5 Hidenobori 1958.03 1959.11 Ms1 5 Tominobori 1958.09 1959.09 Ms2 5 Ryushoyama 1977.03 1980.11 Ms2 5 Asahizakura 1984.01 1988.03 Ms1 5 Shoeito 1993.05 1996.11 Ms3 5 Takamihana 1995.11 2000.11 Ms4 5 Tochinoyama 1999.01 2007.03 Ms2 Most appearances in Ms1-Ms5 before earning first promotion to juryo (promotion was earned in the last listed basho unless otherwise noted): # Rikishi First Last HiRk--------------------------------------15 Mikiyama 1957.09 1963.09 J8 1963.11 Ms6e 7-0 10 Edohibiki 1965.05 1967.09 J1 1968.05 Ms16w 7-010 Daigaku 1987.03 1990.11 J2 9 Kiyokuni 1961.01 1963.03 O 9 Wakanofuji 1979.01 1981.01 M2 8 Tamaarashi 1960.11 1962.01 M4 8 Maedahana 1962.05 1964.07 J4 8 Higashi 1962.11 1967.09 J3 8 Fukumoto 1969.05 1972.07 J12 1972.09 Ms6e 6-1 8 Banryuyama 1971.05 1974.05 K 8 Aobayama 1972.01 1974.03 K 7 Kashiwaryu 1953.01 1956.01 J17 7 Kawachiyama 1960.09 1963.05 J7 7 Tochifuji 1965.03 1967.05 M3 7 Oshio 1968.05 1969.09 K 7 Shiraiwa 1979.01 1982.11 J7 7 Kotohakusan 1985.11 1989.07 J4 7 Tanaka 2000.07 2003.03 J4 7 Tsurugidake 2007.01 2010.09 M16 7 Sokokurai 2007.09 2009.11 M2 active Edit: To summarize a bit - of the 11 rikishi who experienced 8 or more top makushita appearances without juryo, all 11 eventually made it. Of the 15 rikishi who had 7 basho, 9 made it. Of 26 rikishi who had 6 basho, 19 made it. Of 42 rikishi who had 5 appearances, 35 made it. Or chronologically: 94 rikishi made (at least) 5 top makushita appearances without having been sekitori. 35/94 (37%) got promoted after their 5th appearance, 7 failed and never got back to the top 5, and 52 got further opportunities. 19/52 (37%) got promoted after their 6th appearance, 7 more failed permanently, and 26 got yet more opportunities. 9/26 (35%) got promoted after their 7th appearance, 6 failed and 11 moved on. Those 11 then all made it in the end. Dropout rates: 7/59 (12%) after five, 7/33 (21%) after six, 6/17 (35%) after seven. Edited November 14, 2017 by Asashosakari 5 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted November 21, 2017 Trivia question: In the 15-day era, what do the tournaments (and only these) Aki 1973, Haru 1980, Natsu 1992 and Natsu 2006 have in common? Hint: Has something to do with maegashira and sanyaku. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dada78641 884 Posted November 21, 2017 On 13/11/2017 at 23:19, Asashosakari said: Most appearances in Ms1-Ms5 without ever earning promotion to juryo:[...] 7 Kairyu 2012.05 2017.05 Ms2 active Maybe also the only rikishi (active or otherwise) whose name is identical to that of a Pokémon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
