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Gagamaru may not even make it back to maegashira

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On 1/27/2017 at 15:51, Rocks said:

Gagamaru may not even make it back to maegashira

I think he makes it back but struggles again upon his return.

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On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 15:21, Bumpkin said:

Don't be shocked if Sekiwake's, Komusubi's and Maegashira's start winning Yushos. The Hakuho era is (probably) over. Anything can happen. Anything.

kakuryu or harumafuji might even win!

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On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 09:56, McBugger said:

Akinomaki, I believe it was, reported that sototasukizori is the most obscure kimarite- neither he nor myself or any of the 10 000 surveyed Japanese had heard of it. I don't blame us: it's hard to be familiar with a kimarite that, for all we know, the world has never seen.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&kimarite=73

So I, PawnSums, may have been the only person in history to use it?

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On 1/27/2017 at 15:33, John Gunning said:

50,000 yen says Gagamaru doesn't win the Emperor's Cup in 2017

OK. Almost anything.

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None of the past 4 makuuchi yusho have been won by an Ulanbataar-shusshin rikishi. This is the first time this has happened since the first yusho by an Ulanbataar-shusshin rikishi (Asashouryuu 1st, Kyushu 2002).

Ulanbataar-shusshin yusho winners: Asashouryuu, Hakuhou, Terunofuji

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When was the last time two consecutive Makuuchi yushos were won by Japanese rikishi?

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35 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

When was the last time two consecutive Makuuchi yushos were won by Japanese rikishi?

More than 15 years.

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3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

More than 15 years.

Can you be slightly more specific?

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The Onamis will be the 7th rikishi brothers trio, the first one were the Kobayashis back in 1944: makushita Kobayashi (not in the database), Terunobori and Teruzakura. Active we have the (Koto)Omuras: Kotodairyu, Kototora and the present Kotoomura. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/1793001.html

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The makuuchi sole leader as of day 12, Haru 2017 is Y2w Kisenosato. 

The last time a rikishi in the Y2w spot won a yusho was Kashiwado in Hatsu 1966.

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4 minutes ago, McBugger said:

The makuuchi sole leader as of day 12, Haru 2017 is Y2w Kisenosato. 

The last time a rikishi in the Y2w spot won a yusho was Kashiwado in Hatsu 1966.

Well it's about time then.

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Kisenosato is only the 15th yokozuna not giving away a kinboshi in his debut tournament as yokozuna.

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Terunofuji has never had a basho ranked at komusubi. All 15-bout-era ozeki who had no basho at komusubi went on to become yokozuna. 

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Hakuho lost to Ikioi on day 4. It is the first loss on day 4 since the Haru basho 2008, when he lost to Aminishiki on day 4. During this 9-year time span, despite 2 kyujo, he won 50 consecutive day 4 bouts he fought

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3 hours ago, McBugger said:

Terunofuji has never had a basho ranked at komusubi. All modern-era ozeki who had no basho at komusubi went on to become yokozuna. 

I don't have time to look, but the mathematician in me says that statement would be true if no other Ozeki in the modern era had no basho at Komusubi, so for the observation to have any sort of weight, it would be useful to know just how many other such Ozeki there were

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1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

I don't have time to look, but the mathematician in me says that statement would be true if no other Ozeki in the modern era had no basho at Komusubi, so for the observation to have any sort of weight, it would be useful to know just how many other such Ozeki there were

The DB's rank summary provides a handy view for that:

Akinoumi
Terukuni
Azumafuji
Chiyonoyama
Kagamisato
Yoshibayama
Sadanoyama

It's not quite true though, Hitachiiwa and Itsutsushima were also promoted to ozeki in the modern era and didn't make it. (Plus possibly others whose only listed komusubi appearances came after demotion from ozeki, but I don't feel like checking all profiles right now.) I suppose McBugger meant either since 1949 (15 bouts) or 1958 (six basho) rather than strictly modern era (since 1927).

Amusingly, the two modern-era ozeki who were promoted without any tournaments as sekiwake also made it to yokozuna (Musashiyama and Maedayama).

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6 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

The DB's rank summary provides a handy view for that:

Akinoumi
Terukuni
Azumafuji
Chiyonoyama
Kagamisato
Yoshibayama
Sadanoyama

It's not quite true though, Hitachiiwa and Itsutsushima were also promoted to ozeki in the modern era and didn't make it. (Plus possibly others whose only listed komusubi appearances came after demotion from ozeki, but I don't feel like checking all profiles right now.) I suppose McBugger meant either since 1949 (15 bouts) or 1958 (six basho) rather than strictly modern era (since 1927).

Amusingly, the two modern-era ozeki who were promoted without any tournaments as sekiwake also made it to yokozuna (Musashiyama and Maedayama).

Yes, meant 15-bout era, sorry. Nice catch.

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14 hours ago, Tsubame said:

Kisenosato is only the 15th yokozuna not giving away a kinboshi in his debut tournament as yokozuna.

Can you be slightly more specific? Who are pervious 14 yokozunas? 

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3 hours ago, Hak Sho said:

Can you be slightly more specific? Who are pervious 14 yokozunas? 

The other 15 were (I missed Tsunenoyama in my first querry due to his draws), descending by numbers of maegashira fought:

  1. Takanohana - Hatsu Basho 1995 - 13-2Y
  2. Terukuni - Haru Basho 1943 - 14-1J
  3. Asahifuji - Aki 1990 - 13-2J
  4. Tachiyama - Natsu 1911 - 10-0Y
  5. Wajima - Nagoya 1973 - 11-4
  6. Hakuho - Nagoya 2007 - 11-4
  7. Takanosato - Aki 1983 - 15-0Y
  8. Hokotumi - Nagoya 1987 - 11-4
  9. Miyagiyama - Haru Basho - 10-1Y
  10. Tochigiyama - Natsu 1918 - 9-1Y
  11. Tsunenohana - Natsu 1924 - 5-2-1-2d-1a
  12. Chiyonoyama - Aki 1951 - 9-6
  13. Futabayama - Haru 1938 - 13-0Y
  14. Kitanofuji - Haru 1970 - 13-2J
  15. Tamanoumi - Haru 1970 - 13-2J

 

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Shunba, born 1981 went 6-1 in his makushita debut this Basho.

The last time someone born before 1982 did this was 2005 Hatsu!

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due to hokutoryu's retirement (Sadgoodbyes...), Hanakaze has the longest career on record.

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