Trivia bits

[Senkoho 552]

I'm almost sure I already mentioned this some time ago but it's interesting enough to be repeated:

Out of the 42 current Makuuchi rikishi, only one completed his first career tournament with a make-koshi (not counting mae-zumo, as we don't have all the results).

Guess who it is?

Spoiler

It's Hakuho.

 

Edited January 23, 2018 by Senkoho

[PawnSums 59]

On 1/21/2018 at 15:17, Yukiarashi said:

How about a very arrogant Yokozuna that's named I? 

But What Does I Mean?

[Yukiarashi 195]

1 hour ago, PawnSums said:

But What Does I Mean?

That joke didn't come out the way I was hoping

I was making it sound like he was calling himself that as superior to all other rikishi.

You're not facing anyone of name, I am above names, I need no shikona, I am me, and me is I. I hope this sentence clarified some things.

Plus it could mean #1 in Roman numerals.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

Inspired by press coverage about Ryuden becoming the first sansho winner from Yamanashi prefecture in 35 years.

Disclaimer: This trivia is only as good as the DB's shusshin data allows. In case there are old-timey sansho winners who represented different locations during their career, sansho may be assigned to the wrong prefecture here.

The column "total" should be read as single+double+triple sansho winners. The full lists are linked from the prefecture names. The "longest time between" data lists the longest span by basho, and in addition the longest span by date if different (applies to Fukuoka), and any further streaks of 10+ years / 60+ basho if they exist.
 

Prefecture	first	most recent sansho		total	longest time between sansho
Aichi	1958.01	2007.07	Kotomitsuki	25+2+1	91 basho: 1968.07 - 1983.09
Akita	1948.05	2010.09	Takekaze	19	102 basho: 1991.01 - 2008.01, 96 basho: 1969.05 - 1985.05
Aomori	1949.10	2017.11	Aminishiki	96+7	27 basho: 1955.09 - 1960.11 and 2010.01 - 2014.09
Chiba	1954.01	2012.07	Masunoyama	26+1	83 basho: 1961.03 - 1975.01, 80 basho: 1998.05 - 2011.11
Ehime	1996.01	2006.07	Tamakasuga	5	55 basho: 1997.05 - 2006.07
Fukui	never
Fukuoka	1951.05	2015.11	Shohozan	32+2	77 basho: 1965.01 - 1977.11, 13y 8m / 68 basho: 1951.05 - 1965.01
Fukushima	1950.09	2006.07	Tamanoshima	23+4	175 basho: 1972.01 - 2001.03
Gifu	1949.05	1989.05	Enazakura	3	185 basho: 1949.05 - 1983.07
Gunma	1977.05	1998.11	Kotonishiki	25+2	51 basho: 1981.11 - 1990.05
Hiroshima	1988.07	2004.07	Toyozakura	14+3	29 basho: 1999.09 - 2004.07
Hokkaido	1947.11	1995.01	Daishoho	107+8+1	37 basho: 1986.07 - 1992.09
Hyogo	1947.11	2017.11	Takakeisho	46+1	70 basho: 2000.03 - 2012.01, 60 basho: 1958.11 - 1968.11
Ibaraki	1955.03	2017.05	Takayasu	49+5	99 basho: 1968.03 - 1984.09
Ishikawa	1971.05	2016.09	Endo	20+2+1	57 basho: 1983.07 - 1993.01
Iwate	1954.09	2005.11	Tochinohana	6+1	210 basho: 1965.05 - 2000.05
Kagawa	1948.10	2016.03	Kotoyuki	14+1	301 basho: 1965.11 - 2016.03
Kagoshima	1956.01	1995.03	Terao	43+3	65 basho: 1970.03 - 1981.01
Kanagawa	1956.03	1990.07	Kasugafuji	6	168 basho: 1962.07 - 1990.07
Kochi	1974.05	2016.01	Toyonoshima	37+5	75 basho: 1983.03 - 1995.09
Kumamoto	1959.05	2016.11	Shodai	21	113 basho: 1974.11 - 1993.09, 65 basho: 1994.07 - 2005.05
Kyoto	never
Mie	1970.07	1985.11	Kitao	22+2	12 basho: 1975.11 - 1977.11 and 1981.09 - 1983.09
Miyagi	1975.07	1983.11	Koboyama	6	18 basho: 1975.11 - 1978.11
Miyazaki	1969.01	1980.05	Tochihikari	4	49 basho: 1969.01 - 1977.03
Nagano	1951.05	2017.07	Mitakeumi	5	375 basho: 1951.05 - 2016.05
Nagasaki	1948.05	2006.01	Tokitsuumi	14	166 basho: 1962.03 - 1989.11, 52 basho / 12y: 1949.05 - 1961.05
Nara	never
Niigata	1962.01	2002.07	Shimotori	17+3+1	78 basho: 1989.07 - 2002.07
Oita	1953.01	2017.09	Yoshikaze	20+3	133 basho: 1967.01 - 1989.03
Okayama	1950.05	1977.07	Washuyama	10	113 basho: 1953.01 - 1973.05
Okinawa	never
Osaka	1966.03	2015.11	Ikioi	31	62 basho: 1970.07 - 1980.11
Saga	1954.03	1978.03	Ogata	11+1	45 basho: 1970.09 - 1978.03
Saitama	1958.09	2018.01	Abi	4	352 basho: 1959.01 - 2017.11
Shiga	1978.01	1998.03	Aogiyama	5	66 basho: 1981.05 - 1992.05
Shimane	2011.01	2017.11	Okinoumi	4	21 basho: 2013.03 - 2016.09
Shizuoka	never
Tochigi	1978.01	2006.01	Hokutoriki	5+1	135 basho: 1979.11 - 2002.05
Tokushima	never
Tokyo	1947.11	2013.11	Chiyotairyu	54+6+1	113 basho: 1971.07 - 1990.05, 71 basho: 2001.11 - 2013.11
Tottori	1963.09	2016.11	Ishiura	7	294 basho: 1967.09 - 2016.11
Toyama	1964.03	2017.09	Asanoyama	9	167 basho: 1989.09 - 2017.09, 129 basho: 1964.03 - 1985.09
Wakayama	1987.03	2001.01	Wakanoyama	7+1	44 basho: 1993.09 - 2001.01
Yamagata	1959.03	2004.09	Kotonowaka	11+2	210 basho: 1960.07 - 1995.07
Yamaguchi	1972.03	2011.07	Homasho	16+2	179 basho: 1977.01 - 2006.11
Yamanashi	1959.07	2018.01	Ryuden	14+1	205 basho: 1983.09 - 2018.01

 

Longest time to first sansho (10+ years) Prefecture Basho Shimane 2011.01 (355th) Ehime 1996.01 (265th) Hiroshima 1988.07 (220th) Wakayama 1987.03 (212th) Shiga 1978.01 (157th) Tochigi 1978.01 (157th) Gunma 1977.05 (153rd) Miyagi 1975.07 (142nd) Kochi 1974.05 (135th) Yamaguchi 1972.03 (122nd) Ishikawa 1971.05 (117th) Mie 1970.07 (112th) Miyazaki 1969.01 (103rd) Osaka 1966.03   (86th) Toyama 1964.03   (74th) Tottori 1963.09   (71st) Niigata 1962.01   (61st) Yamanashi 1959.07   (46th) Kumamoto 1959.05   (45th) Yamagata 1959.03   (44th) Saitama 1958.09   (41st) Aichi 1958.01   (37th)

Longest time since last sansho (10+ years) Prefecture Basho Okayama 1977.07 (242 ago) Saga 1978.03 (238 ago) Miyazaki 1980.05 (225 ago) Miyagi 1983.11 (204 ago) Mie 1985.11 (192 ago) Gifu 1989.05 (171 ago) Kanagawa 1990.07 (164 ago) Hokkaido 1995.01 (137 ago) Kagoshima 1995.03 (136 ago) Shiga 1998.03 (118 ago) Gunma 1998.11 (114 ago) Wakayama 2001.01 (101 ago) Niigata 2002.07   (92 ago) Hiroshima 2004.07   (80 ago) Yamagata 2004.09   (79 ago) Iwate 2005.11   (72 ago) Tochigi 2006.01   (71 ago) Nagasaki 2006.01   (71 ago) Ehime 2006.07   (68 ago) Fukushima 2006.07   (68 ago) Aichi 2007.07   (62 ago)

Longest time between sansho (15+ years) Prefecture Span Nagano 375 basho: 1951.05 - 2016.05 Saitama 352 basho: 1959.01 - 2017.11 Kagawa 301 basho: 1965.11 - 2016.03 Tottori 294 basho: 1967.09 - 2016.11 Iwate 210 basho: 1965.05 - 2000.05 Yamagata 210 basho: 1960.07 - 1995.07 Yamanashi 205 basho: 1983.09 - 2018.01 Gifu 185 basho: 1949.05 - 1983.07 Yamaguchi 179 basho: 1977.01 - 2006.11 Fukushima 175 basho: 1972.01 - 2001.03 Kanagawa 168 basho: 1962.07 - 1990.07 Toyama (2nd) 167 basho: 1989.09 - 2017.09 Nagasaki 166 basho: 1962.03 - 1989.11 Tochigi 135 basho: 1979.11 - 2002.05 Oita 133 basho: 1967.01 - 1989.03 Toyama (1st) 129 basho: 1964.03 - 1985.09 Kumamoto 113 basho: 1974.11 - 1993.09 Tokyo 113 basho: 1971.07 - 1990.05 Okayama 113 basho: 1953.01 - 1973.05 Akita (2nd) 102 basho: 1991.01 - 2008.01 Ibaraki   99 basho: 1968.03 - 1984.09 Akita (1st)   96 basho: 1969.05 - 1985.05 Aichi   91 basho: 1968.07 - 1983.09

2 of Saitama's 4 sansho were won in the last two months, by two different rikishi no less (Hokutofuji and Abi).

Hokkaido in the lead for most total sansho, even though nobody from the prefecture has won one in over two decades now.

Multiple rikishi from one prefecture winning sansho in the same basho:

17 Hokkaido
7 Aomori (one triple win)
6 Tokyo (one triple win)
4 Kagoshima (one triple win)
3 Fukushima
2 Hyogo
2 Ibaraki
1 Aichi
1 Gunma
1 Ishikawa
1 Kumamoto
1 Mie
1 Osaka

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,261]

Wow, I can understand fukui, Nara, and tokushima, but shizouka?? Okinawa?? (Especially with strong popularity in the islands) Kyoto? Maybe the old money thinks doing sumo to be beneath them or something.

[Kishinoyama 582]

50 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

....Hokkaido in the lead for most total sansho, even though nobody from the prefecture has won one in over two decades now.

I remember when Hokkaido seemed to be the go to place for recruits. How things have changed. Is their no longer any talented recruits in Hokkaido?

[rhyen 1,823]

baseball...Nipponham

[Gurowake 4,012]

Arawashi, Ikioi, Tochinoshin, and Tamawashi were all within a few ranks of each other in Haru 2007 - Ms40-Ms43.  The only match between the four that didn't take place was the highest vs. lowest ranked, Ikioi vs. Tamawashi.  Ikioi went 4-3, the other three went 5-2.

Various other future sekitori were around there as well, but those 4 seemed to stand out as being particularly grouped given where they ended up 10 years later.  I found this by looking at Tochinoshin's lower division matches (there aren't that many of them and he only lost 14).

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=200703#Ms

[Yamanashi 3,774]

45 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Arawashi, Ikioi, Tochinoshin, and Tamawashi were all within a few ranks of each other in Haru 2007 - Ms40-Ms43.  The only match between the four that didn't take place was the highest vs. lowest ranked, Ikioi vs. Tamawashi.  Ikioi went 4-3, the other three went 5-2.

Various other future sekitori were around there as well, but those 4 seemed to stand out as being particularly grouped given where they ended up 10 years later.  I found this by looking at Tochinoshin's lower division matches (there aren't that many of them and he only lost 14).

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=200703#Ms

... and across from Tochinoshin was Ms41 Chiyotenzan, on the long slide down from Komusubi in 1999.

 

[Akinomaki 40,038]

 

17 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

A new list of the worst yokozuna in the 6 basho era since 1958, basically from the 44th yokozuna on (+41st Chiyonoyama), in terms of winning percentage in the first 5 days of a basho (jobansen), where a loss is the most disappointing for the fans http://www.oita-press.co.jp/1010000000/2018/03/05/143927857

5. 66th Wakanohana III 66.7% (26-13) with a 70.9% percentage of doing those bouts (fusen+/- also don't count)

4. 46th Asashio 65.6% (39-26) with 76.3% fought

3. 63rd Asahifuji 63.2% (24-14) - 84.4%

2. 49th Tochinoumi 60% (39-26) - 76.5%

1. 72nd Kisenosato 56% (14-11) - 83.3%

And today the other end of the list: those who didn't give away the wins that easy in the first third, same rules, with again the expected one at the top http://www.oita-press.co.jp/1010000000/2018/03/06/144116797

5. 68th Asashoryu won 89.5% (171-20 ) - 91% fought

4. 44th Tochinishiki 89.6% (60-7) - 89.3%

3. 51st Tamanoumi 90% (45-5) - 100%

2. 58th Chiyonofuji 92.1% (233-20) - 85.8%

1. 69th Hakuho 94.3% (283-17) - 95.2% (8 of the 17 losses on day 1)

 

Hakuho is endangering that position, if he keeps going on till 2020

Edited March 6, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,038]

On 3/6/2018 at 13:30, Akinomaki said:

yokozuna in the 6 basho era since 1958, basically from the 44th yokozuna on (+41st Chiyonoyama), in terms of winning percentage in the first 5 days of a basho (jobansen)

with percentage of doing those bouts (fusen+/- also don't count)

Part 3 was "Yokozuna who don't show up"  at the first 3rd - basically=the whole basho http://this.kiji.is/344023428854826081

5. 65th Takanohana 75.1% fought, 82.6% won - 152-32

4. 62nd Onokuni 73% fought, 69% won - 58-26

3. 66th Wakanohana III 70.9% fought, 66.7% won - 26-13

2. 59th Takanosato 69.3% fought, 69.2% won - 36-16

meaningless: 1. 41st Chiyonoyama - only his bouts in the 6 basho era, the last 7 basho of his career -  65.7% fought, 78.3% won - 18-5

all data from this survey: http://www.oita-press.co.jp/-/media/Files/pdf/2018/03/07/201702281522yokoduna.pdf

 

Part 4 (last) was "The days yokozuna lose easily" - again only among the first 5 days http://www.oita-press.co.jp/1010000000/2018/03/08/144318437

Day 4 14% - day 5 14.5% - day 3 17.4% - day 2 18% 

The worst day was day 1 with 21.1% = 586-157

[chishafuwaku 471]

Jd103w Shumpo is the only one to have the letter "p" in his name. (Considering only one name for each)

Maybe this was thought when he was rebaptized ...

[Asashosakari 18,959]

On 21.1.2018 at 04:11, Asashosakari said:

12 vs 14? Nowhere near.  As far as bouts covered by the DB go, the maximum appears to be 28 in 13 vs 15 and 14 vs 14 matchups.

And today, another entry in the not-quite-the-record 3 vs 3 list. Top here is 2 vs 3. (Before anyone asks, U didn't face any 4-letter opponents while he was U.)

[Kawabata 270]

On 3/18/2018 at 06:17, Asashosakari said:

And today, another entry in the not-quite-the-record 3 vs 3 list. 

Thanks for this, that query also turns up an interesting Abi / Ura bout from 2016 which I hadn't seen before. Hopefully we'll get to see another in the top division sooner rather than later

 

 

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

Any guesses/knowledge about which Juryo wrestler collected the most envelopes for a single bout? I noticed that [SPOILER! OH MY GOD! RUN!! SPOILER!!!] Takekaze took a couple home today.

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

In other news, [SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER] Kaisei has now amassed 10 (!) fusensho in his career of medium length. Including three consecutive ones over the current and last two basho. He also had two single basho fusensho in July 2016. I smell records but cannot be arsed to confirm.

[Senkoho 552]

9 minutes ago, yorikiried by fate said:

In other news, [SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER] Kaisei has now amassed 10 (!) fusensho in his career of medium length. Including three consecutive ones over the current and last two basho. He also had two single basho fusensho in July 2016. I smell records but cannot be arsed to confirm.

one more fusen win needed to tie the record

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

Thanks. He seems to be first if you consider the per basho quota.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

4 minutes ago, yorikiried by fate said:

Thanks. He seems to be first if you consider the per basho quota.

Randomly spotted in Senkoho's query: 5 in just 73 bouts

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

Yeah, but my list is a 6+/100+ list.

 

(I hate you guys...)

[ryafuji 811]

15 hours ago, yorikiried by fate said:

Any guesses/knowledge about which Juryo wrestler collected the most envelopes for a single bout? I noticed that [SPOILER! OH MY GOD! RUN!! SPOILER!!!] Takekaze took a couple home today.

Envelopes in juryo bouts are very rare. The only previous occasions I’m aware of are two bouts between Wajima and Nagahama (later the second Yutakayama) as they had been university rivals. 

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

He didn't mention juryo bouts as a requirement at all, just "juryo wrestler" which obviously points to the most likely bouts taking part in makuuchi.

[Yamanashi 3,774]

On 1/21/2018 at 12:21, PawnSums said:

and a 50kg rikishi named Ko.

 

On 1/21/2018 at 15:17, Yukiarashi said:

How about a very arrogant Yokozuna that's named I?

Tochinowaka the last one was called Ri for awhile.

Sometimes I actually do support and learn about rikishi for their names. Most recently Aqkua. Tobizaru the flying monkey was another but his technique is really good aswell. I still supported Aragyoshi when he was no longer U. 

If a 300 kg+ rikishi would be named O, wouldn't the 50 kg rikishi be named I ?

 

[Senkoho 552]

45 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

 

If a 300 kg+ rikishi would be named O, wouldn't the 50 kg rikishi be named I ?

 

Took me a while but good job here :) 

[orandashoho 720]

Ura got kensho after his guest appearance in Makuuchi, when he was still in Juryo.
I don't think that Juryo bouts are allowed to have kensho. The kensho are a distinguishing part of the top division, and an extra incentive to appear on the dohyo.