Basho Talk - Aki 2017 (SPOILERS)

[rhyen 1,846]

12 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Sasakiyama couldn't move for a while after he dropped off the dohyo - almost sure kyujo.

I don't remember having seen a basho where the juryo-kaku gyoji appear that early - they were doing nearly half of makushita.

On Kise FB page, Sasakiyama is schedule to go for surgery. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by rhyen

[rhyen 1,846]

Why was Tochinoshin slow to react despite getting his favourite grip?

[Doitsuyama 1,194]

This is the first time since Natsu 1997 that only one rikishi in sanyaku or above is 2-0 after two days.

[Kintamayama 45,564]

Ura was wailing that his knee was dislocated and that this is the end as he was wheeled to the infirmary. An hour later he was seen walking to the car.- "I was a bit alarmed.. The pain is OK.." he said, collecting himself.

 

Takayasu was wheeled into the infirmary as well. After the check up, he did walk on his own to the car. On the way he met Nishonoseki , head of the judging department. "It's a pulled muscle. The ligament is fine. It doesn't hurt that much. I'm OK," he said. Asked about his appearance tomorrow, he took a few seconds for thought, and uttered the magic "gambarimasu" word which makes all things nice.

 

My guess, both out tomorrow.

Tamawashi- nothing yet.

[Gernobono 467]

28 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

My guess, both out tomorrow.

your guesses are correct most of the times, lately *impressed*

[Kaikitsune Makoto 209]

33 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Ura was wailing that his knee was dislocated and that this is the end as he was wheeled to the infirmary. An hour later he was seen walking to the car.- "I was a bit alarmed.. The pain is OK.." he said, collecting himself.

 

Takayasu was wheeled into the infirmary as well. After the check up, he did walk on his own to the car. On the way he met Nishonoseki , head of the judging department. "It's a pulled muscle. The ligament is fine. It doesn't hurt that much. I'm OK," he said. Asked about his appearance tomorrow, he took a few seconds for thought, and uttered the magic "gambarimasu" word which makes all things nice.

 

My guess, both out tomorrow.

Tamawashi- nothing yet.

Ura's comment rather confirms it was probably a bad ligament damage. Tomorrow swollen knee with full of blood. You can often walk quite well with fully ruptured ACL for example. Takanohana walked to car after having many ligaments fully torn and he even beat Musashimaru after putting the knee back into position manually during shikiri.

Pulled muscle in the thigh so painful that he couldn't walk...I will eat 100 olives if he can do sumo tomorrow or in the near future.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

Just that the injuries are this early...hope we don't see 'The Chair' again 

[Kintamayama 45,564]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Tamawashi- nothing yet.

Twisted ankle. "How is Takayasu?" asked Tamawashi backstage. "We battled as if our lives depended on it.. My injury is a secret.. I will be able to appear. I'm OK.." he said.

Probably kyujo as well.

Edited September 11, 2017 by Kintamayama

[dada78641 884]

Hokutofuji/Goeido was very close. I think Goeido recovered his center of gravity just a little sooner, giving him the advantage. I'm on record as a big fan of Hokutofuji, so I would be thrilled if he can get a high score at this rank.

[Yatagarasu 352]

Aki Basho is turning into quite the Thunderdome.  

Really hope Ura hasn't done too much damage to himself, but looks like he's not only aggravated the old injury but worsened it.  Hope he hasn't wrecked his ACL.  

I think Tamawashi might show up tomorrow but if he does he won't last long thereafter, either in terms of attendance or performance (if he chooses to stick it out).  Sounds like he's being cavalier for the cameras about his ankle.  The way he fell is a classic example of how to give yourself an avulsion fracture, which will only feel like a sprain for the first few hours...  Hope it's nothing serious though.

[Dwale 419]

Ok, that sucked. Hate seeing these guys hurt... This is a huge chunk of the division with injuries now. Most worrisome. 

[ryafuji 815]

I hope Tamawashi isn't going to continue just to keep his record of never missing a bout since his debut going. I wonder how much rikishi are swayed by that kind of thing.

[Kaminariyuki 500]

Blast! Looks like the Juryo boys will be moving up... Ura looked good on Day 1, but if it's the ACL, I won't be seeing my boy in Fukuoka.

[Andreas21 191]

3 hours ago, Gernobono said:

your guesses are correct most of the times, lately *impressed*

He also mentioned in his video - only two Makuuchi standing at the end of the basho ...

OH NO!

[Dapeng 236]

This is a disastrous basho -- by day-2 already 3 injuries. Plus 5 kyujo, we will probably see 8 rikishi out tomorrow, and it seems few sanyaku rikishi is in good shape. 

Two months ago when I saw the summer exhibition schedule, my first thinking was that why the NSK did not give their rikishi some time to rest and heal their injuries but instead kept them working almost until the new basho?

 

Edited September 11, 2017 by Dapeng

[Yatagarasu 352]

5 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

Two months ago when I saw the summer exhibition schedule, my first thinking was that why the NSK did not give their rikishi some time to rest and heal their injuries but instead kept them working almost until the new basho?

 

Then hot on the heels of Aki Basho there'll be the autumn tour.  For goodness sake, give these guys a break!

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,276]

I think that was my least favorite day of sumo in all time.

[ALAKTORN 346]

4 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

he took a few seconds for thought, and uttered the magic "gambarimasu" word which makes all things nice.

lmao

[Bumpkin 438]

1 hour ago, ryafuji said:

I hope Tamawashi isn't going to continue just to keep his record of never missing a bout since his debut going. I wonder how much rikishi are swayed by that kind of thing.

I hope Tamawashi does keep his 1018 consecutive match streak going - but not, of course, if he is injured.

[Asojima 2,874]

It looked like Takayasu may have been favoring a previous injury thoughout the match.  May have further aggravated it.

[Benihana 1,937]

Horrible, horrible day.

But we saw at least some not that bad sumo in the lower ranks. Glimpses of Kaisei A, must be that fabulous new mawashi. Aminishiki already 2-0 vs. Sokokurai and Myogiryu.

[RabidJohn 1,858]

5 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

  The way he fell is a classic example of how to give yourself an avulsion fracture, which will only feel like a sprain for the first few hours...

I had one of those while skateboarding on a half-pipe when I was 25. I felt and heard the bone crack and, having never broken a bone before, I knew I'd broken my ankle, not just sprained it. Call me a total wimp, but I couldn't put any weight on it at all for about two weeks, even in the cast...

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They really need to sack the scriptwriter for Aki 2017 - it's worse than Game of Thrones for main characters getting taken out!

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 I do not like seeing rikishi seriously injured, but I no longer concern myself over much with how things proceed in that eventuality; Terunofuji has managed to cure me of that!

Injured rikishi can and do go kyujo from both jungyo and honbasho. I'm kind of expecting Mr Gunning coming in here again with his wilding impression - "You know nothin', RabidJohn" - but I honestly believe that while they may be badly advised by their seniors, they are not actually forced to compete.

Ura sat out the summer jungyo and he should have sat out both the Aki honbasho and jungyo then come back at Fukuoka, but no, he has to gambarize... Far wiser heads than mine on this forum predicted that his style was an injury prone one. Well, they were right.

Mitakeumi's kind of letting me down in my hopes for him starting an ozeki run, but as usual I'm being drawn to the successful and I'm currently loving Onosho! He's got that fearlessness a really good rikishi needs.

Edited September 11, 2017 by RabidJohn

[Yatagarasu 352]

33 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I had one of those while skateboarding on a half-pipe when I was 25. I felt and heard the bone crack and, having never broken a bone before, I knew I'd broken my ankle, not just sprained it. Call me a total wimp, but I couldn't put any weight on it at all for about two weeks, even in the cast..

Sorry for the medical geekery to follow, but I was only speaking of my own experience with one.  The reason the avulsion fracture specifically feels ok (as opposed to other ankle fractures), is because a tiny chunk of bone actually comes off the metatarsal, usually torn off by the tendon or ligament.  The main joint of the ankle remains otherwise intact.  Mine felt and looked like a bad sprain for a few hours but then doubled in size and went black and my toes went numb.  Even the hospital sent me home with a 'very bad' sprain diagnosis (after an x-ray!) until a wily eyed technician spotted the piece of bone floating around and rang me to tell me to come back...  <shudder>    

But yeah, I'm kind of annoyed at Ura.  He came back too soon.  Onosho is doing well so far, and the absence of big players (for what would have been his first encounter with them as M3) means he'll probably make double figures again if he continues on his current - totally boss - trajectory.  The look of utter disdain on his face after he dispatched Mitakeumi yesterday was a picture.  

[RabidJohn 1,858]

1 hour ago, Yatagarasu said:

Sorry for the medical geekery to follow, but I was only speaking of my own experience with one.

AFAIK (and I'm not a doctor) an avulsion fracture is any small piece of bone broken or pulled off (as opposed to a clean break in the middle). Mine was a wedge-shaped piece from the end of my fibula, about 15mm on its longest side. I remember the note on the X-ray: 'Avulsion fracture left distal fibula'. Theoretically, I could have walked on the intact tibia joint, but in reality I was on crutches.

Yes, there could be something broken rather than strained in Tamawashi's ankle, but I'm hoping it's just a minor sprain that he can overcome with cortizone injections or something. I've really enjoyed his period in sanyaku this year and an injury like that is a horrible way to end his run.

Edited September 11, 2017 by RabidJohn

[dingo 1,303]

Didn't know who to root for in Hokutofuji vs Goeido since I like them both, but in the end I'm happy Goeido won cause I'd like him to keep his rank. 

Terunofuji on the other hand may be on the escalator going down. If he can't even win against the ailing Kotoshogiku then things do not look good at all...

And Harumafuji won handily, but has this bothered look about him. He might yusho provided his body lasts the whole basho. Speaking of which, what if by the end of the basho there are no Ozeki or Yokozuna left? Would that be unprecedented?