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24 minutes ago, John Gunning said:

Here's an interesting challenge. Without using the database can you guess who is the lowest ranked former juryo/maegashira/komusubi/sekiwake on the current banzuke. None are sekitori right now.

Take it to the quiz thread. ;-)

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Jakoryu is probably the lowest ex-komusubi.

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2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Take it to the quiz thread. ;-)

If I were a moderator I'd do that. 

I'd do a lot of things.

Free 8K televisions for everyone that votes for me by the way.

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44 minutes ago, John Gunning said:

Free 8K televisions for everyone that votes for me by the way.

In which election?

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Regarding the current rise of Hokutofuji, I tried to query all rikishi who got their first career MK at Sanyaku in the modern era, and found these:

Yutakayama (7 KK from Ms10eOB)
Akebono (18 KK from Mz)
Tomonohana (11 KK from Ms60TD)
Tochinonada (11 KK from Ms60TD)
Kotooshu (13 KK from Mz)

Honorary mention goes to Konishiki and Kotomitsuki whose streaks were broken by absence.

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Ikioi is Kakuryu's tachimochi and he beat him on day 9. I wonder how often that happens? I guess it's impossible to say.

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Indeed, quite impossible to deduct from the db alone. The only thing that's certain is that Ikioi wasn't Kakuryu's tachimochi today.

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1 minute ago, Jakusotsu said:

Indeed, quite impossible to deduct from the db alone. The only thing that's certain is that Ikioi wasn't Kakuryu's tachimochi today.

Oh, he wasn't? I didn't know that. Is that traditional that the Yokozuna don't use their opponent for their dohyo-iri on the day they are facing them?

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18 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Oh, he wasn't? I didn't know that. Is that traditional that the Yokozuna don't use their opponent for their dohyo-iri on the day they are facing them?

That, and if both attendants are matched against each other there'll be a substitute as well.

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@Jakusotsu Thanks. Apparently I'm only allowed to give 10 Likes a day and I'm all out. But I liked that too. 

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Just checked how strong the last ten Yokozuna before Hakuho were at his current age. It turned out that eight of them were already intai. The other two had a combined 15 basho left in their tank (three times with a 10-5, the other 12 times going kyujo).

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I may have mentioned it before, a long time ago - the staying power for star-level rikishi (yokozuna, average-and-better ozeki) appears to be roughly 10 years against joi competition for most of them, somewhat independent of their era, their ages and the timing of their major promotions. Even Chiyonofuji's very non-standard career fits - he got through 11, just starting several years later than most others.

Hakuho is in his 13th year. Even accounting for his superior talent, years ago I was pretty sure he wouldn't be making it to his 32nd birthday as an active rikishi, but he's about to get there.

On the other hand, Kotoshogiku has been a consistent joi presence since Kyushu 2006, fitting the suggested timeframe very well...

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What with Kisenosato's imminent promotion, and Kakuryu and Harumafuji's struggles, I thought I'd look at how many times we've had four Yokozuna all go kachi-koshi in the same tournament. It's only happened twelve times, most recently in November 1990. The last Yokozuna quartet of Akebono, Takanohana, Wakanohana and Musashimaru never managed it. 

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=4&form1_rank=Y&form1_wins=Kk

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4 hours ago, ryafuji said:

What with Kisenosato's imminent promotion, and Kakuryu and Harumafuji's struggles, I thought I'd look at how many times we've had four Yokozuna all go kachi-koshi in the same tournament. It's only happened twelve times, most recently in November 1990. The last Yokozuna quartet of Akebono, Takanohana, Wakanohana and Musashimaru never managed it. 

Which also means it's relatively rare that all the possible Y-Y bouts will actually materialize in a basho. Best not to get our collective hopes up that we'll actually see 6 of them in a single tournament.

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8 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Which also means it's relatively rare that all the possible Y-Y bouts will actually materialize in a basho. Best not to get our collective hopes up that we'll actually see 6 of them in a single tournament.

Has there ever been a basho with 6 intra-yokozuna bouts?

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On 1/23/2017 at 13:25, Asashosakari said:

Hanakaze has become the first rikishi in history to attain 600 career wins without ever being ranked as sekitori.

That’s insane.

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Incidentally, if Hanakaze stays active until the May tournament, he'll be older than Ichinoya was on his retirement.

Just to add to the previous stat: Besides Hanakaze, the only other rikishi who has made it to 600 wins without reaching makuuchi was Tochitenko. One-time juryo Dewanosato got close at 594, as did Kotokanyu with 591.

Hanakaze is trailed by fellow long-timer Hokutoryu at 573, who might also make it to 600 at some point in 2018 if he stays active that long (and would probably also have to exceed Ichinoya to do it).

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some data about the last 2 short 4 yokozuna periods http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2017012500563&g=spo

               yusho kyujo                    
1990.9-91.5 Chiyonofuji 1                      
(5basho)     Hokutoumi    2  1                    
          Onokuni     0  2                    
          Asahifuji     1  0                    
                                        
1999.7~00.3 Akebono   0  2                    
(5basho)     Takanohana   0  1                    
          Wakanohana  0                      
          Musashimaru 2  1                    

each time those with 3 kyujo within that period retired during the last basho.

The number of kinboshi handed during that time would be interesting as well

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Yes, 4 Yokozuna seems to be a short lived phenomena. It will be interesting to see if either Kakuryu or Harumafuji doesn't show up in March. I'm thinking both would like to skip it but every kyujo now will lead to heavy speculation.

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Don't be shocked if Hakuho retires sooner than we think. He currently has 1019 career wins. Barring injury, he should break Kaio's record of 1047 wins soon. May at the earliest. July at the latest. After that, who knows? Especially if he doesn't yusho. I can't see Hakuho as just another Yokozuna.

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4 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Don't be shocked if Hakuho retires sooner than we think. He currently has 1019 career wins. Barring injury, he should break Kaio's record of 1047 wins soon. May at the earliest. July at the latest. After that, who knows? Especially if he doesn't yusho. I can't see Hakuho as just another Yokozuna.

I agree but I think it that will happen after Kak and Harumafuji. They can not beat Hak on a regular basis so unless Kise starts winning everything Hakuho is going to get a yusho or 2. I definitely don't see Hakuho as still on the scene at the end of 2018.

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Don't be shocked if Sekiwake's, Komusubi's and Maegashira's start winning Yushos. The Hakuho era is (probably) over. Anything can happen. Anything.

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