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13 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

According to Asashosakari, J3w Sato (9-3) is guaranteed promotion to Makuuchi.  Sato was born in August 1996.  Who was the last Sumotori under 21 when promoted?

I think the last one promoted under 21 was Chiyootori (born in October 1992 and makuuchi debut in May 2013).

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1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

I think the last one promoted under 21 was Chiyootori (born in October 1992 and makuuchi debut in May 2013).

Sato will be 21 years and 5 months old.  Chiyootori was 21 years and 7 months old.  Who was younger than Sato when promoted to Makuuchi?

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30 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Sato will be 21 years and 5 months old.  Chiyootori was 21 years and 7 months old.  Who was younger than Sato when promoted to Makuuchi?

Harumafuji was 20, Hakuho was 19, Kisenosato was 18, and Takanohana was 17.  The latter even won the Yusho while only 19.  Hakuho's first Yusho was at 21.

 

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1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

Harumafuji was 20, Hakuho was 19, Kisenosato was 18, and Takanohana was 17.  The latter even won the Yusho while only 19.  Hakuho's first Yusho was at 21.

 

Thank you. Who was the most recent Makuuchi promotee to be younger than Sato, 20 years 5 months?

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Wakanoho.  Under 20 years old.  Tochiozan was 20 and 0 months when promoted earlier that year.

A lot of close calls though, like Tochinoshin, Goeido, Takayasu, Masunoyama, Chiyonokuni, and Ichinojo.  Pretty close but not quite as young as those 6 were Kagayaki, Daieisho, and Osunaarashi.

These were all taken from my historical prospects records, where I have noted all those who made various ranks at various young ages.

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This Basho is the first time that Hakuho has ever been the third-ranked Yokozuna, and the results so far guarantee that next basho will be the second. 

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19 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

That would be a fun bit of trivia actually, most current or future yokozuna faced in a single basho. These 8 bouts just might be the record already, but trying to ascertain that is probably an awful lot of query work without direct DB access.

Wasn't that difficult after all. Most current or future yokozuna on the makuuchi banzuke (since 1909):

1947.11-1950.09 (9 basho): 8 yokozuna
1951.01-1953.01 (7 basho): 9 yokozuna
1953.03-1953.09 (3 basho): 8 yokozuna

Plus a handful of stints with 7 yokozuna throughout time, though none since 1991. Incidentally, the low point was reached in Hatsu and Haru 2004 with only one yokozuna, which was surrounded by 8 more basho (5 before, 3 after) with just two yokozuna. Every other basho since 1909 has had at least three.

Most current/future yokozuna faced in a single basho (all with 8 such matchups):

1949.05: O1e Saganohana and S1w Rikidozan
1951.01: K1e Shimizugawa (missed M20w Yonekawa = Asashio)
1951.05: M3e Shimizugawa (missed M19e Yonekawa)
1952.01: M2w Futaseyama (missed M13e Yonekawa)
1952.09: M3e Kotonishiki (missed M9w Wakanohana, same ichimon)

I didn't build a list for 7 matchups, because that looked like a sizable number of cases and thus not that special.

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Before it eventually gets lost and forgotten in the promotion thread...

Haru 1967 was the only basho in the yusho era that featured no bouts between makushita and juryo rikishi. It's also one of just three basho that had no bouts between juryo and makuuchi rikishi, along with Hatsu 1990 and now Kyushu 2016.

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Will this will be the basho with the highest number of trivia bits? :-D

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6 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Will this will be the basho with the highest number of trivia bits? :-D

There might be a trivia query about this trivia.

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57 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Will this will be the basho with the highest number of trivia bits? :-D

Let's do this!

2016 is set to become the first calendar year since 1997 with no banzuke changes among ozeki or yokozuna.

No promotions to ozeki, no promotions to yokozuna, no Y/O intai and no ozeki demotions.

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2016 saw 5 different Yusho winner, Hakuho managed to snatch 2 yusho.

Hakuho and Goeido managed one zensho yusho each.

Hatsu   Kotoshogiku

Haru   Hakuho

Natsu  Hakuho 15-0 zensho

Nagoya   Harumafuji

Aki   Goeido 15-0 zensho

Kyushu Kakuryu

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Just now, kuroimori said:

2016 saw 5 different Yusho winner, Hakuho managed to snatch 2 yusho.

Hakuho and Goeido managed one zensho yusho each.

Hatsu   Kotoshogiku

Haru   Hakuho

Natsu  Hakuho 15-0 zensho

Nagoya   Harumafuji

Aki   Goeido 15-0 zensho

Kyushu Kakuryu

Idea! when was the last calendar year with 5 different yusho winners? Be back in a bit.

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1 minute ago, McBugger said:

Idea! when was the last calendar year with 5 different yusho winners? Be back in a bit.

2000.

2000.11    Y1w Akebono (11th)    14-1   
2000.09    Y1w Musashimaru (8th)    14-1    
2000.07    Y1e Akebono (10th)    13-2       
2000.05    K1w Kaio (1st)    14-1   
2000.03    M14e Takatoriki (1st)   13-2
2000.01    S2e Musoyama (1st)   13-2

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1 hour ago, McBugger said:

Let's do this!

2016 is set to become the first calendar year since 1997 with no banzuke changes among ozeki or yokozuna.

No promotions to ozeki, no promotions to yokozuna, no Y/O intai and no ozeki demotions.

Semi-relatedly, 2016 did see 6 kadoban ozeki appearances, which is the highest number since 2005.

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With the breaking of the Kisenosato-Kotoshogiku match to face contenders on day 15, this is the first time since Aki 2007 that the two haven't faced each other in a Basho where both were present (in week 2).  In that Basho they KE Kisenosato "should" have faced M3W Kotoshogiku (who was a notional 14th place on the Banzuke counting absences), but they missed each other for whatever reason.  

I can't be bothered figuring out if that's the longest streak ever, but it sure seems like it should be.

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Assuming Kisenosato doesn't lose tomorrow (heck he is 99% sure to win), 

is he the first ever sekitori to win the most wins in a year w/o a Yusho?

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12 hours ago, rhyen said:

Assuming Kisenosato doesn't lose tomorrow (heck he is 99% sure to win), 

is he the first ever sekitori to win the most wins in a year w/o a Yusho?

Yes, first time in the six-basho era.

(Calendar year only, though. There have been others who've done it in other six-basho stretches, e.g. Asahifuji.)

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Career-first sansho won while holding a sanyaku rank:

1947.11 K1e Terunobori (kanto-sho)
1955.03 S1e Ouchiyama (shukun-sho)
1957.05 K1w Annenyama (shukun-sho)
1958.01 K2w Wakamaeda (kanto-sho)
1959.05 S1w Tochihikari (kanto-sho)
1960.03 S1e Kitabayama (kanto-sho)
1970.07 K1w Mienoumi (shukun-sho)
1970.09 K1w Takanohana (shukun-sho)
1978.01 K1w Tamanofuji (kanto-sho)
1979.05 K1e Kaiki (kanto-sho)
1993.05 K1e Takanonami (kanto-sho)
1995.07 K1w Kotonowaka (kanto-sho)
2001.05 K1w Asashoryu (shukun-sho)
2016.11 K1w Tamawashi (gino-sho)

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This year we had 5 tournaments with 3 different ozeki going kadoban 7 times, that's a mark for itself, but none of them was demoted, which should set another mark. I searched the db by hand and couldn't find anything similar. Well, Kotoshogiku still has a chance for demotion in january...

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Does anyone know what the record is for most yusho in non-sekitori divisions? I know there are some relatively recent cases of rikishi with four (e.g. Tochiazuma and Jokoryu), but my historical knowledge isn't  very good..

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6 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Does anyone know what the record is for most yusho in non-sekitori divisions? I know there are some relatively recent cases of rikishi with four (e.g. Tochiazuma and Jokoryu), but my historical knowledge isn't  very good..

Kuniazuma and Tosayutaka had five non-sekitori yusho.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi&form1_rank=Ms-Jk&form1_y=on

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