Trivia bits

[Asashosakari 19,668]

The only yokozuna promoted in the 15-day era who was not in yusho contention on the final day of his pre-promotion tournament is Tochinoumi: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=196401&d=14

(The most recent one who wasn't in contention on the final day of his second-to-last tournament was Mienoumi.)

[Asashosakari 19,668]

Longest streaks of alternated KK and MK records (* = sekitori):

1. 28, 1988.05-1992.11 Hananokuni* (KK start, MK end, one partial kyujo)

2. 22, 1997.07-2001.01 Shotsukasa (KK start, MK end, two partial kyujo)

3. 21, 1981.07-1984.11 Kirinji* (KK start, KK end)

4. 19, 1979.07-1982.07 Otsurugi (MK start to MK career end)

4. 19, 2009.03-2012.05 Kaneko (MK start, MK end)

6. 18, 1970.01-1972.11 Fukumoto (KK start, MK end, reached sekitori ranks during streak)

6. 18, 1973.01-1975.11 Teruzakura* (KK start, MK end, fell from sekitori ranks during streak)

6. 18, 1987.01-1989.11 Fukuda (KK start, MK end)

6. 18, 1993.07-1996.05 Kyokudozan* (MK start, KK end)

6. 18, 1998.09-2001.07 Hokutogo (KK start, MK end)

6. 18, 1999.07-2002.05 Amanoumi (KK start, MK end)

6. 18, 2011.07-2014.05 Ariake (KK start, MK end, from debut)

6. 18, 2012.09-2015.07 Kototora (MK start, KK end)

Kirinji is arguably the king of the alternating records. In addition to the 21-basho streak above, he also had:

10, 1985.01-1986.07 (KK start, MK end)

11, 1986.09-1988.05 (MK start, MK end)

Each time the new streak began as soon as the previous one had ended. His overall career finished just two basho after the third streak.

Notable mentions:

15, 1986.07-1988.11 Takanofuji* (KK start, KK end, one partial kyujo), immediately followed by

16, 1989.01-1991.07 Takanofuji* (KK start, MK end)

12, 1965.07-1967.05 Kotetsuyama* (KK start, MK end), immediately followed by

17, 1967.07-1970.03 Kotetsuyama* (MK start, MK end)

Longest current streak:

16, 2014.01-? Kotorikuzan (KK start)

Edited July 26, 2016 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 19,668]

Average wins by East-side makushita rikishi in Nagoya 2016: 3.05

Average wins by West-side makushita rikishi in Nagoya 2016: 3.92

20 KK on the East side, 37 KK on the West side including the 7-0 and all seven 6-1's. It's all random of course, but I've never seen something this extreme.

And it's primarily the lower half of the division that's responsible for it; 2.72/4.13 wins, 7/22 KK.

Edit: Individual East-West bout record in the lower half: 29-63. Prorated to 7 bouts, that works out to 2.21-4.79 wins.

Edited July 27, 2016 by Asashosakari

[kuroimori 1,634]

How long has it been since Hakuhō has won with a proper nage? I remember him being an uwatenage beast but I feel like it’s been years since I’ve seen that. (I’m aware he got a “shitatenage” win this basho but that wasn’t really a nage…)

I think it is a naging nagging issue for him as well...

[lackmaker 438]

Average wins by East-side makushita rikishi in Nagoya 2016: 3.05Average wins by West-side makushita rikishi in Nagoya 2016: 3.9220 KK on the East side, 37 KK on the West side including the 7-0 and all seven 6-1's. It's all random of course, but I've never seen something this extreme.And it's primarily the lower half of the division that's responsible for it; 2.72/4.13 wins, 7/22 KK.Edit: Individual East-West bout record in the lower half: 29-63. Prorated to 7 bouts, that works out to 2.21-4.79 wins.

Gee,Officer Krupke,we've got ourselves a west side story.

[rhyen 1,846]

I doubt that this can be solved with a database query search.

How many ex-yokozuna oyakata have trained future yokozuna?
How many ex-ozeki oyakata have trained future ozekis/yokozuna?

[Atenzan 1,084]

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi&form1_wins=>7&form1_year=>1958&form2_rank=O&form2_wins=<8

 

Kaiou and Chiyotaikai are tied at 14 for the most modern-era kadoban. Tochiazuma is in third with 8 kadoban. 

The active leader, if you can call him that, is Kotoshougiku with 6.

On 12/08/2016 at 03:52, rhyen said:

I doubt that this can be solved with a database query search.

How many ex-yokozuna oyakata have trained future yokozuna?
How many ex-ozeki oyakata have trained future ozekis/yokozuna?

I'll do the first part manually, but the second one is simply too much work for me at this point in time. 

[Atenzan 1,084]

The Great Rhyen Query, part 1.

Original question:

On 12/08/2016 at 03:52, rhyen said:

How many ex-yokozuna oyakata have trained future yokozuna?

16.

In chronological order of the yokozuna promotions of the first trainee, these are:

1. Shiranui I (trained Shiranui II) 

2. Hidenoyama (trained Jinmaku) 

3. Umegatani I (trained Umegatani II) 

4. Hitachiyama (trained Tachiyama, Onishiki I, Tochigiyama and Miyagiyama) 

5. Nishinoumi II (trained Nishinoumi III) 

6. Tochigiyama (trained Tamanishiki, Tochinishiki and Tochinoumi) 

7. Tsunenohana (trained Akinoumi and Sadanoyama) 

8. Futabayama (trained Kagamisato) 

9. Maedayama (trained Asashio) 

10. Tochinishiki (trained Tochinoumi) 

11. Chiyonoyama (trained Kitanofuji and Chiyonofuji, must have been a good oyakata) 

12. Wakanohana I (trained Wakanohana II, Takanosato, Takanohana the son and Wakanohana III) 

13. Sadanoyama (trained Mienoumi) 

14. Kitanofuji (trained Chiyonofuji and Hokutoumi) 

15. Mienoumi (trained Musashimaru) 

16. Asahifuji (trains Harumafuji) 

Bonus trivia bit 1: How many yokozuna have been trained by yokozuna? 

25.  

Bonus trivia bit 2. Which ex-yokozuna oyakata have trained the most future yokozuna? 

Hitachiyama and Wakanohana I, with 4 each. 

Bonus trivia bit 3. Which yokozuna have been trained by multiple ex-yokozuna oyakata? 

Tochinoumi, by Tochigiyama and Tochinishiki; and Chiyonofuji, by Chiyonoyama and Kitanofuji. (this explains why Tochinoumi and Chiyonofuji show up twice as pupils in the original answer) 

Hey McBugger, show me the unadulterated data, mate, will ya? 

Yes, but do understand that the data was hand-picked off Wikipedia and the SumoDB, and the format I used to track the whole thing requires you to decode my ugly handwriting to read. Since the Internet doesn't seem to cooperate with me on this photo of a piece of paper, PM me so I can email you the image. 

Edited August 24, 2016 by McBugger
Corrected after Chiyozakura's contribution. Now with less typos.

[rhyen 1,846]

Thanks a lot.

Looking at your data: the streak from Hitachiyama -> Tochigiyama -> Tochinishiki -> Tochinoumi, looks to be a nice streak.

Out of 71 historical yokozuna, 17 of them produced 27 of them for a total of 44.

 

Edit: I wonder if we are going to add to the list before 2020. 

Edited August 23, 2016 by rhyen

[Kishinoyama 596]

6 hours ago, McBugger said:

12. Wakanohana I (trained Wakanohana II, Takanosato, Takanohana the son and Wakanohana III) 

I thought Takanohana and Wakanohana III were trained by their father ex-Ozeki Takanohana? 

 

[Atenzan 1,084]

45 minutes ago, Kishinoyama said:

I thought Takanohana and Wakanohana III were trained by their father ex-Ozeki Takanohana? 

 

They were trained by both; Wakanohana I before 16 March '93 and Takanohana the father after. This is owed to the Fujishima-Futagoyama deal and is reflected (tongue in cheek) in my data sheet. 

[Akinomaki 40,809]

17 hours ago, McBugger said:

They were trained by both; Wakanohana I before 16 March '93 and Takanohana the father after. This is owed to the Fujishima-Futagoyama deal

Before 1993 they were in Fujishima-beya - and trained by their father. Maybe for a few days they were trained by both, when the heya merged with Futagoyama.

[Akinomaki 40,809]

One record remains for Chiyonofuji: most yusho in his 30s - 19. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2016/08/22/kiji/K20160822013216640.html

[Chiyozakura 148]

On 23.8.2016 at 16:48, McBugger said:

The Great Rhyen Query, part 1.

Original question:

17.

In chronological order of the yokozuna promotions of the first trainee, these are:

Very interesting list. It depends on what you mean with trained, though. For example Chiyonofuji was very much responsible for training Hokutoumi, although technically he only was his Shisho for the last month of his career.

Some corrections: The Haguroyama who raised Futahaguro was not the Yokozuna of that name, who died when Futahaguro was just six years old, but the Sekiwake also known as Annenyama. Futabayama was a member of Tatsunami Beya and the main rival of the Dewanoumi Beya in the lat 30's and early 40's and so was not trained by Tsunenohana.

I don't know much about Sumo before the six basho a year era so I am not sure on Miyagiyama's career, especially as he came from Osaka sumo. Is there a connection between him and Hitachiyama?

[Atenzan 1,084]

On 23/08/2016 at 23:42, rhyen said:

Thanks a lot.

Out of 71 historical yokozuna, 17 of them produced 27 of them for a total of 44.

My pleasure! But regretfully your numbers are off, due to the existence of 'streaks' such as the one you yourself pointed out, as well as oyakata training multiple yokozuna. The yokozuna that were involved in a trainee-trainer relationship were: (going by yokozuna chronological number because I don't have all day for a change) 8, 9, 11, 12, 15, 19, 20, 22, 25, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 35, 37, 39, 41, 42, 44, 45, 46, 49, 50, 52, 56, 57, 58, 59, 61, 63, 65, 66, 67 and 70, for a total of 35. 

 

Edited after Chiyozakura's corrections. 

Edited August 24, 2016 by McBugger

[Atenzan 1,084]

5 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Before 1993 they were in Fujishima-beya - and trained by their father. Maybe for a few days they were trained by both, when the heya merged with Futagoyama.

In 1993 from January to March, Wakanohana I worked in Futagoyama-beya as Fujishima oyakata. It counts! 

 

3 hours ago, Chiyozakura said:

 

Some corrections: The Haguroyama who raised Futahaguro was not the Yokozuna of that name, who died when Futahaguro was just six years old, but the Sekiwake also known as Annenyama. 

I don't know much about Sumo before the six basho a year era so I am not sure on Miyagiyama's career, especially as he came from Osaka sumo. Is there a connection between him and Hitachiyama?

You're dead-on about Futahaguro. I will correct this in a few hours. Update about Miyagiyama coming soon. EDIT: sorry, had to go out for a bit, don't ask. Miyagiyama was trained by Hitachiyama from 1909 to 1912 in Dewanoumi-beya before he left for Osaka. 

Edit 2: you are also dead-on about Futabayama. For some reason in my original spreadsheet I have him as a stablemate of Akinoumi's. This is obviously incorrect. 

Edited August 24, 2016 by McBugger

[Kishinoyama 596]

7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Before 1993 they were in Fujishima-beya - and trained by their father. Maybe for a few days they were trained by both, when the heya merged with Futagoyama.

Exactly! They switched Kabu's because the elder Wakanohana was retiring and his younger Ex-Ozeki brother Takanohana was taking over.

[Atenzan 1,084]

There have been multiple rikishi debuting in each of the three consecutive 2016 Natsu, Nagoya and Aki basho. 

This is the first time that there are multiple sekiwake debuts in three consecutive basho in the modern era.  (Last instance was 1937-38)

http://www.sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=2&form1_rank=S&form1_debutr=on&gsort_by=basho

Edited August 29, 2016 by McBugger
Unforgivable sensationalised wrongness

[Nantonoyama 252]

1 hour ago, McBugger said:

There have been multiple rikishi debuting in each of the three consecutive 2016 Natsu, Nagoya and Aki basho. 

This is the first time that there are multiple sekiwake debuts in three consecutive basho in recorded sumo history. 

http://www.sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=2&form1_rank=S&form1_debutr=on&gsort_by=basho

Actually it happenned four times in a row according to your query : 1937.01, 1937.05, 1938.01 & 1938.05

[Atenzan 1,084]

18 minutes ago, Nantonoyama said:

Actually it happenned four times in a row according to your query : 1937.01, 1937.05, 1938.01 & 1938.05

Whoops.

[Atenzan 1,084]

13 hours ago, Asojima said:

I recall once doing an informal check that found Aki to be the most kyujo-prone basho. A query may be in order.

Well, let's see. Checking sekitori kyujos per month in the six-basho era in completed calendar years. This means the query was run from Hatsu 58 through to Kyushu 2015. I am checking for full kyujos only.

Hatsu: 69 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=0&form1_losses=0&form1_year=1958-2015&form1_month=1&form1_m=on&form1_j=on&offset=50

Haru: 63 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=0&form1_losses=0&form1_year=1958-2015&form1_month=3&form1_m=on&form1_j=on

Natsu: 79 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=0&form1_losses=0&form1_year=1958-2015&form1_month=3&form1_m=on&form1_j=on

Nagoya: 77 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=0&form1_losses=0&form1_year=1958-2015&form1_month=7&form1_m=on&form1_j=on

Aki: 69 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=0&form1_losses=0&form1_year=1958-2015&form1_month=9&form1_m=on&form1_j=on

Kyushu: 72 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=0&form1_losses=0&form1_year=1958-2015&form1_month=11&form1_m=on&form1_j=on

Aki is apparently quite a way away from being the kyujo king.

[Benihana 1,937]

Question regarding Ichinojo:

2014.05 juryo yusho

2014.07 juryo yusho-doten

2014.09 makuuchi jun-yusho

 

Is there any other rikishi with this very special combination? I was unable to correctly configure the db-query...when i let it search 2 bashos in a row and mark the 3 yusho options for juryo and makuuchi, Ichinojo is shown. When i add the 3rd basho, Ichi is gone and only ozeki and yokozuna with 3 basho-streaks in makuuchi are shown.

 

And a little bit offtopic: Using the db-query i found older rikishi with HD added to the rank, mainly yokozuna and ozeki, with a few komosubi and sekiwake, but no maegashira, 

For example Musashimaru was K2wHD, S2eHD, S2wHD, O2wHD and O2eHD...

 

[Asojima 2,874]

See haridashi in the sumo glossary .

 

 

[Kishinoyama 596]

26 minutes ago, Ogami Ittō said:

Question regarding Ichinojo:

2014.05 juryo yusho

2014.07 juryo yusho-doten

2014.09 makuuchi jun-yusho

A quick manual search of some 'big names' and I found...

Taiho:

1959.09 13-2 Juryo jun-yusho

1959.11 13-2 Juryo yusho

1960.01 12-3 Makuuchi jun-yusho

[Benihana 1,937]

But that is jun/yusho/jun, not yusho/doten/jun.