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  1. Atenzan

    Minimum Kachi-Koshi forever

    This old post is probably the best place to start.
  2. To put it a bit more dramatically, the last Tokiwayama-beya sekitori kachikoshi was in Edo. (May 1868)
  3. Atenzan

    Kotoshogiku retires

    OK, so who do you like? Can you tell us a name of an ozeki who you were satisfied by? Anyone who wasn't a yokozuna?
  4. First time there will have been a Tokiwayama-beya since August 1897 according to Japanese Wikipedia. The oyakata apparently didn't coach any sekitori in 21 years there... meaming Takakeishou, Takanoshou and Takagenji will be the first Tokiwayama sekitori in over 150 years, as the previous iteration of the stable shut down in 1870.
  5. Atenzan

    Sumo Reference Updates

    Possibly related: Takakeishou's rikishi information page says that he's got 3 makuuchi yusho, 2 at ozeki.
  6. Atenzan

    YDC convenes after November 2020

    Man, who pissed in their cornflakes? Has the YDC ever been this strict? Putting Hakuhou, who is at least as good as anyone while active and having won a yusho as recently as March, at the same level of caution as Kakuryuu? More dramatically, hinting that consecutive yushos at ozeki isn't necessarily enough to merit a promotion? I can't make head or tail of this, but one thing is clear- sympathy for Konishiki's whingeing is about to run drier than ever.
  7. Atenzan

    Kotoshogiku retires

    And yet the mechanics of the rank, and top-flight sumo in general, consistently make it so that whoever surpasses these thresholds of being unimpressive turns out to be a yokozuna rather than an ozeki. Since we're getting nowhere with this exchange, could you provide, say, 5 examples of ozeki (not yokozuna) you didn't find unimpressive over the last 25-30 years? And if not, allow me to make a friendly suggestion to lower your standards to more reasonable ones- you may end up enjoying sumo more that way.
  8. Atenzan

    Kotoshogiku retires

    Of those that have already retired, wins per 15 makuuchi bouts: Kaiou- 9.03 Chiyotaikai- 8.97 Takanonami- 8.67 Kirishima- 7.58 Hokuten'yuu- 9.08 Konishiki- 8.66 Tochiazuma- 9.3 Looks like a hell of a lot of doing an "unimpressive" 8 or 9 wins to me. Kotoshougiku had 8.21 himself, 8.46 at the time of his demotion. Was he a below-average ozeki? Probably. But he wasn't the worst one, and he merited the rank, and even reaching it is, for me, impressive.
  9. Atenzan

    Kotoshogiku retires

    So, a yokozuna? Do you know who the last ozeki was who averaged 10 wins per 15 makuuchi bouts and didn't make yokozuna? I didn't. It's good old Tachihikari, who had a briefish tenure at the rank before getting apparently injured in 1926. An ozeki is someone who has won 32 or 33 of 45 bouts against the top 16 rikishi in 3 consecutive basho (very impressive) and now called to sustain a diet of winning a simple majority of his bouts against the top 16 rikishi. Kotoshougiku did exactly that for the best part of a decade and won a yusho in the process against tough opposition. I find that extremely impressive.
  10. Atenzan

    Trivia bits

    Most makuuchi yorikiri victories. This certainly says something about Kotoshougiku's long and distinguished career, and, in my opinion, mitigates whatever criticism one may have had about his being a one-trick pony.
  11. Atenzan

    Not the Kyushu basho 2020 GTB invite - and Results!!

    That's the plural of the insect fly, by the way
  12. Atenzan

    Promotion/Demotion/Yusho Discussion Aki 2020

    Well, that was quick. Ozeki promotion reportedly confirmed in a special meeting.
  13. Atenzan

    Promotion/Demotion/Yusho Discussion Aki 2020

    With no dearth of makuuchi rikishi to demote but relatively slim pickings for promotions from juryo as it stands, is it safe to assume that another (honwari) win for Chiyonokuni would see him back into makuuchi?
  14. Atenzan

    September (Aki) Basho- offical thread (yay..)

    They could certainly be stricter- I thought that even some of the bouts with multiple matta had iffy tachiai that weren't called matta today.
  15. Atenzan

    Rare occurence in Jonidan

    It almost did last as long as a cricket match, so...