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[rhyen 1,823]

9 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Probably a very good outcome for current holder ex-Hochiyama, being in the same heya as Myogiryu and the latter not looking anywhere near finished yet even at age 36. Or if not for Hochiyama, then at least for more accomplished stablemate ex-Sadanofuji who's also borrowing.

Another kabu going across ichimon lines, in any case. The article claims that Kokonoe (ex-Chiyotaikai) was also trying unsuccessfully to secure the share for Chiyotairyu (who supposedly wasn't all that interested himself, though), which would have kept it in Takasago-ichimon.

And apropos the previous discussions, the article somewhat mysteriously confirms the existence of the 5-year rule to find a successor but claims that bereaved families only get a deadline of "two or three years". Considering we're already at three and a half years since Ushiomaru's untimely death, and that I don't recall any transfer of a family-held kabu that happened this late back when the official rule was still 3 years, I'm not quite inclined to believe that any such shorter deadline is being meaningfully enforced if it exists at all. Of course, "lack of meaningful enforcement" is arguably the name of the game concerning kabu.

At any rate, this Shukan Post article hits pretty much all the same notes we played here in recent days: Kyokai articles of incorporation say "no money to obtain a kabu or secure a successor recommendation", the tacitly allowed 指導料 consultancy / guidance fees are really just backdoor payments to facilitate exactly that, Kyokai offers no comment when asked about the apparent discrepancy between rule and practice.

The article also still casually refers to Onosho's supposed ownership of the Otowayama share, which runs counter to the previously mentioned fresh rumours by other tabloids that attached efforts to purchase it to Kakuryu and even now-gone Ichinojo. Just as casually it mentions Hokutofuji as the active owner of the Oyama kabu - did I miss something or is that news to us? At least that one does make sense, as the previous owner spent his last few sanyo years attached to Hakkaku-beya. Oyama is currently loaned out to ex-Chiyootori, which again makes me wonder who the heck is owning the Sanoyama share which we'd spent years believing was Chiyootori's, until he retired from the dohyo and it wasn't. It seems unlikely that the owner is anyone attached to Kokonoe-beya considering the apparent interest in obtaining Furiwake...

Sanoyama is attached to Tenkaiho, according to my photos of the oyakatas manning the SuMall store

[themistyseas 238]

4 hours ago, rhyen said:

Sanoyama is attached to Tenkaiho, according to my photos of the oyakatas manning the SuMall store

The blue jacket guys still wear the name to which they're attached even if they have it on loan (as he does now).

I've seen him at the store during all three incarnations, also wearing a Hidenoyama pin, and an Otowayama pin. He's known for his personality, and he's certainly had a number of them over the past few years!

[Seiyashi 4,072]

8 minutes ago, themistyseas said:

He's known for his personality, and he's certainly had a number of them over the past few years!

I know what you meant but this caused me to do a double take.

[code_number3 694]

 

[WAKATAKE 2,644]

Does this mean Chikubayama is leaving?

[Seiyashi 4,072]

1 hour ago, WAKATAKE said:

Does this mean Chikubayama is leaving?

It has to, and given what was discussed in the thread apropos of Kakuryū, means Hakuhō probably had a hand in buying him out.

[WAKATAKE 2,644]

4 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

It has to, and given what was discussed in the thread apropos of Kakuryū, means Hakuhō probably had a hand in buying him out.

Nikkan has confirmed that Chikubayama has left the NSK with four years left in his consultancy.

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202306010000552.html

[Itachiyama 113]

On 30/05/2023 at 16:49, Kamitsuumi said:

Myōgiryū acquired the Furiwake kabu, for much less than ¥100M, according to this interview with Ushiomaru's widow: https://www.news-postseven.com/archives/20230530_1873621.html?DETAIL
 

Any guess who will follow current Sakaigawa (Ryogoku) as Shisho in about 4 years?

[rhyen 1,823]

18 minutes ago, Itachiyama said:

Any guess who will follow current Sakaigawa (Ryogoku) as Shisho in about 4 years?

Myogiryu or Toyohibiki

[Itachiyama 113]

45 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Myogiryu or Toyohibiki

Toyohibiki is not entitled to run his own Heya. I don't dare to ask him directly but I rather guess it will be him.

[Seiyashi 4,072]

Not Sadanoumi? 

[Gurowake 4,011]

1 hour ago, Itachiyama said:

Toyohibiki is not entitled to run his own Heya. I don't dare to ask him directly but I rather guess it will be him.

He might not be able to branch out, but surely he could inherit one?

[Koorifuu 914]

25 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Not Sadanoumi? 

He's always struck me as the kind of guy who'd be a better oyakata than he is a rikishi.

[Yamanashi 3,771]

1 hour ago, Itachiyama said:

Toyohibiki is not entitled to run his own Heya. I don't dare to ask him directly but I rather guess it will be him.

Have all the other Oyakata with career ranks less than M2 received a heya through special dispensation?

[Asashosakari 18,959]

28 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

He might not be able to branch out, but surely he could inherit one?

I think that is what Itachiyama was getting at. Toyohibiki can't go independent, so - if a "maximizing heya opportunities" logic is in play (I alluded to that possibility recently) - it would make sense for Myogiryu to branch out while somebody like Toyohibiki would take on the existing Sakaigawa-beya. 

Edited June 1, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Seiyashi 4,072]

55 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Have all the other Oyakata with career ranks less than M2 received a heya through special dispensation?

I don't think it's about career ranks but how many basho in makuuchi, plus some of them might have been grandfathered in or opened their heya before criteria were tightened. 

[Gurowake 4,011]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

I think that is what Itachiyama was getting at. Toyohibiki can't go independent, so - if a "maximizing heya opportunities" logic is in play (I alluded to that possibility recently) - it would make sense for Myogiryu to branch out while somebody like Toyohibiki would take on the existing Sakaigawa-beya. 

Yeah, I only jumped on the first part of the post and didn't really absorb the rest of it.  That indeed makes sense.  

[Gurowake 4,011]

3 hours ago, Itachiyama said:

Toyohibiki is not entitled to run his own Heya.

After further thought I was surprised by this even being true, and checked the number of Makuuchi basho and yes, he only had 52 and needs to have had 60.  Myogiryu has 66.

[Yamanashi 3,771]

OK, now I know what you meant by "his own"; clearly he can be an Oyakata,  are you just saying he just can't branch out?

[Ryoshishokunin 275]

1 hour ago, Yamanashi said:

OK, now I know what you meant by "his own"; clearly he can be an Oyakata,  are you just saying he just can't branch out?

Correct.  There's also another requirement level for inheriting a heya IIRC, so there's three tiers (Can be an elder/Can be a stablemaster/Can *start* a stable).  I may be making up the middle tier.  

[fwuzzle23 66]

15 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Correct.  There's also another requirement level for inheriting a heya IIRC, so there's three tiers (Can be an elder/Can be a stablemaster/Can *start* a stable).  I may be making up the middle tier.  

As far as I'm aware, any oyakata can be a stablemaster. The lowest tier ones can only qualify for a kabu takeover if it's for the purpose of taking over a heya to save it from closure. The others can just acquire a kabu normally, and of course only the ones in the highest tier can branch out and start a new stable.

[Akinomaki 40,030]

Tomozuna (Kaisei) changed from Oshima to his ani-deshi Kaio's Asakayama-beya as of today http://www.sanspo.com/article/20230603-IZHZJEJ3NNIKFGZ2CSYK3V7NTY/

[Kaitetsu 277]

22 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Tomozuna (Kaisei) changed from Oshima to his ani-deshi Kaio's Asakayama-beya as of today http://www.sanspo.com/article/20230603-IZHZJEJ3NNIKFGZ2CSYK3V7NTY/

Thats kinda surprising, but in hind-sight, maybe he is planning to open up a new Tomozuna-beya or take over Asakayama-beya when Kaio becomes sanyo in... 2037?

[Seiyashi 4,072]

1 hour ago, Kaitetsu said:

Thats kinda surprising, but in hind-sight, maybe he is planning to open up a new Tomozuna-beya or take over Asakayama-beya when Kaio becomes sanyo in... 2037?

Or just simply had a better working relationship with Kaiō. After all, Kyokutenhō was an absorptee. 

[Kaitetsu 277]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Or just simply had a better working relationship with Kaiō. After all, Kyokutenhō was an absorptee. 

True, I guess it makes sense, most of the ex-Kaiki deshis being together in Asakayama while the ex-Asahikuni deshis stay in the new Oshima