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[Hankegami 412]

17 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

My money is either on Chiyotairyū or Chiyomaru, since their results have been slipping of late. If Chiyootori is a borrower because he couldn't afford the kabu, I don't see how the other two are in any better a position. 

Chiyotairyu is my best pick, personally. He's the oldest of the bunch (33), the most successful (ex komusubi) and has had only one KK in one year (May 2022). He did two 6-9 in a row and, although he has landed softly until now (M10-11-12 with two 6-9, a luxury) he possibly knows he's going to perform very bad in Kyushu. Being an ex komusubi, he's the most logical owner of a kabu in Kokonoe (although I don't know whether Chiyomaru's Belly Power managed to get him more supporters despite a less successful career).

Edited November 8, 2022 by Hankegami

[Koorifuu 858]

Remember when somebody posted pictures here of Meigetsuin's bleached pompadour with 'friends' around him that were clearly just tending to their delinquent gang leader's ego?

It feels like yesterday.

[rhyen 1,798]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

My money is either on Chiyotairyū or Chiyomaru, since their results have been slipping of late. If Chiyootori is a borrower because he couldn't afford the kabu, I don't see how the other two are in any better a position. 

I will pick the dark horse Chiyonokuni then, he is already in Juryo and has persistent injury woes. He might be tipped to drop into makushita and retire.

Chiyonoo might also retire since he is struggling to return to sekitorihood.

I can see Chiyotairyu hanging on until 2023 Kyushu even with a drop to Juryo.

[Chartorenji 235]

6 hours ago, rhyen said:

I will pick the dark horse Chiyonokuni then, he is already in Juryo and has persistent injury woes. He might be tipped to drop into makushita and retire.

Chiyonoo might also retire since he is struggling to return to sekitorihood.

I can see Chiyotairyu hanging on until 2023 Kyushu even with a drop to Juryo.

well when's the next opportunity for Chiyotairyu to retire? this could be the best shot since Chiyootori was only borrowing. 

[maglor 122]

Yeah Chiyotairyu has 58 basho in Makuuchi to Chiyootori's 19, I think it's likely that he has the funds to own a kabu. Perhaps he didn't hit the heights expected, but a Ms15TD who hit Komusubi and spent 10 years in the top division shouldn't be doing too badly.

[Koorifuu 858]

19 hours ago, rhyen said:

 

Chiyonoo might also retire since he is struggling to return to sekitorihood.

He isn't doing half bad though, currently on a three KK streak on upper makushita. Very unlike the freefall to sandanme that Jokoryu recently retired on.

If the softer schedule is allowing his body to recover properly, a solid return to the sekitori ranks is a valid possibility.

[Ripe 65]

On 08/11/2022 at 20:50, maglor said:

Yeah Chiyotairyu has 58 basho in Makuuchi to Chiyootori's 19, I think it's likely that he has the funds to own a kabu. Perhaps he didn't hit the heights expected, but a Ms15TD who hit Komusubi and spent 10 years in the top division shouldn't be doing too badly.

Chiyotairyu also have one Gino-sho and three Kinboshi to his name while Chiyotoori have no sansho and no kinboshi...

[Gurowake 3,872]

4 hours ago, Ripe said:

 Chiyotoori ha[s ...] no kinboshi...

Though the one tournament he was Komusubi, he did beat a Yokozuna.  Funny how that works.

[Koorifuu 858]

On 10/11/2022 at 03:37, Gurowake said:

Though the one tournament he was Komusubi, he did beat a Yokozuna.  Funny how that works.

One hand giveth, the other taketh away.

[Rocks 1,801]

On 07/11/2022 at 19:25, Hidenotora said:

Any theorising on why ex-Chiyootori has switched kabu? He owned Sanoyama outright (I think), so why the switch?

Well, maybe the holder of Sanoyama is seen as the successor to Kokonoe and Chiyootori doesn't have a shot at that. 

With Chiyotairyu announcing his retirement AND leaving sumo entirely today I will say that someone else has Sanoyama.

It could only be Chiyomaru or Chiyonokuni I think. My money would be on Chiyonokuni. Chiyomaru has done well and is popular but doesn't seem like the Head Coach type. Chiyonokuni on the other hand has done just as well and is much more intense. Very Head Coach like.

[Kaitetsu 276]

1 minute ago, Rocks said:

With Chiyotairyu announcing his retirement AND leaving sumo entirely today I will say that someone else has Sanoyama.

Wait what??

[Rocks 1,801]

Just now, Kaitetsu said:

Wait what??

Yup. Shocker. He won't even finish the basho. Going into the restaurant business. 

https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/214990

[Seiyashi 4,068]

10 hours ago, Rocks said:

Chiyonokuni on the other hand has done just as well and is much more intense. Very Head Coach like.

That would make a lot of sense for why Chiyotaikai cajoled him so hard to stay. 

[WAKATAKE 2,610]

3 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

That would make a lot of sense for why Chiyotaikai cajoled him so hard to stay. 

Something seems off. Perhaps Chiyotairyu caught wind of this and decided enough was enough? Hence not staying in the NSK?

[Kintamayama 44,182]

Double post for the future.. 

Ex Aminishiki has left Isegahama beya and opened Ajigawa beya in Tokyo today. Temporary residence, will move to permanent premises in July. First deshi, 17 year old Sakuraba, his nephew, entering Jonokuchi in January, did maezumo in Kyushu. 

[Faustonowaka 108]

Ex-Toyonoshima out of kabu and leaving the NSK

[Koorifuu 858]

Frankly surprising. Sure, he was borrowing a kabu, but given his relatively strong position as a long-tenured former sekiwake on the same era as the likes of Hakuho/Miyagino and Kisenosato/Nishonoseki, I'd think he'd be able to stay if he really wanted to.

[Seiyashi 4,068]

The question is, does that mean Shimanoumi is imminently retiring? Not surprising if the former, since Shimanoumi has had almost entirely a year of MKs and might be feeling near the end of his rope.

Kimigahama not being jumped to isn't very surprising either, but Sanoyama was available - we still don't know who holds it and it's not Chiyotairyū, so does that mean Chiyomaru/Chiyonokuni is also considering retirement soon?

[Asashosakari 18,650]

2 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Frankly surprising. Sure, he was borrowing a kabu, but given his relatively strong position as a long-tenured former sekiwake on the same era as the likes of Hakuho/Miyagino and Kisenosato/Nishonoseki, I'd think he'd be able to stay if he really wanted to.

But how strong was it, really? A guy with his career pedigree shouldn't have found himself borrowing in the first place (and we know it wasn't the original plan), but there we were. I suspect he couldn't see - and/or wasn't shown - any viable endgame of playing musical chairs with borrowed kabu, so he jumped before he would be pushed.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Akinomaki 39,495]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

The question is, does that mean Shimanoumi is imminently retiring? Not surprising if the former, since Shimanoumi has had almost entirely a year of MKs and might be feeling near the end of his rope.

It only may mean he's thinking about it - I guess Toyonoshima just saw no chance to get a kabu of his own and wanted to start his 2nd career before he turns 40. Interesting that Sponichi mentions the Izutsu myoseki WAS owned by the family of the late Sakahoko - so apparently Shimanoumi is in possession now. 

[Katooshu 3,079]

Toyonoshima out, while Asahisho has a kabu (even if borrowed) and Daido runs his own stable. Kabu politics are funny.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Katooshu

[Akinomaki 39,495]

50 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Toyonoshima out, while Asahisho has a kabu (even if borrowed) and Daido runs his own stable. Kabu politics are funny.

There is banzuke luck and there is kabu luck

[Gurowake 3,872]

3 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Toyonoshima out, while Asahisho has a kabu (even if borrowed) and Daido runs his own stable. Kabu politics are funny.

Kakuryu doesn't even seem to have a permanent kabu lined up.  Hopefully he's in better financial shape than Akebono was.

[WAKATAKE 2,610]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

Kakuryu doesn't even seem to have a permanent kabu lined up.  Hopefully he's in better financial shape than Akebono was.

Looking at the kabu list it's going to be interesting. You are right that Kakuryu doesn't have a kabu, but Michinoku will be 65 next year. Kakuryu would be the prime candidate to take over the heya. But does Kirishima then borrow or do they bounce Sasshunada from the Tatsutayama kabu early?

[Asashosakari 18,650]

44 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

But does Kirishima then borrow (...)

I'm pretty sure that's not allowed.

Kakuryu could just keep up the grace period toshiyori until March 2026 at which time Tatsutayama would be only 15 months shy of his 70th birthday (to say nothing of other avenues opening up by then), with Urakaze taking over the stable as a stopgap solution next year. Or not even as a stopgap - are we actually sure that Michinoku wants Kakuryu to have the stable?