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[rzombie1988 157]

I think one other thing that should be brought up in this thread is that some rikishi may not have any interest in acquiring kabu and staying in sumo.

[Seiyashi 4,068]

4 hours ago, rzombie1988 said:

I think one other thing that should be brought up in this thread is that some rikishi may not have any interest in acquiring kabu and staying in sumo.

Good point. Ishiura is probably the best example we know of who explicitly prefers not to stay in the NSK (but who will generally remain connected to the kakkai). Whether or not foreign nationals take up citizenship is also a pretty good indication - contrast Kaisei and Tochinoshin. 

In other cases of Japanese rikishi though, like Shōhōzan, it's not so easy to tell who doesn't want to stay in sumo and who got pushed and is just spinning things to preserve a good look. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Kaninoyama 1,660]

15 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Good point. Ishiura is probably the best example we know of who explicitly prefers not to stay in the NSK (but who will generally remain connected to the kakkai). Whether or not foreign nationals take up citizenship is also a pretty good indication - contrast Kaisei and Tochinoshin. 

In other cases of Japanese rikishi though, like Shōhōzan, it's not so easy to tell who doesn't want to stay in sumo and who got pushed and is just spinning things to preserve a good look. 

Tochinoshin appeared on a Japanese variety TV show last night (an eating battle against Gyaru-sone. He wasn't able to finish his 3.5 kilo meal, but stablemate Tochimaru took down the 大食い queen). He said he was building a $1 million dollar home back in Georgia, and even had to borrow money from family members to afford it. Seems clear where his post-sumo life will be centered. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Kaninoyama

[Seiyashi 4,068]

11 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Tochinoshin appeared on a Japanese variety TV show last night (an eating battle against Gyaru-sone. He wasn't able to finish his 3.5 kilo meal, but stablemate Tochimaru took down the 大食い queen). He said he was building a $1 million dollar home back in Georgia, and even had to borrow money from family members to afford it. Seems clear where his post-sumo life will be centered. 

Didn't know he was a little in over his head when it came to financing the home. That explains his remarkable will to fight - he literally needs to pay the bills! 

[Yamanashi 3,689]

3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Didn't know he was a little in over his head when it came to financing the home. That explains his remarkable will to fight - he literally needs to pay the bills! 

Sort of puts into perspective the relative lucrative possibilities of Sumo vs. major sports.  A former Ozeki with 12 years as a sekitori should be a bit better off, especially since there isn't much to waste your fortune on when you train constantly.

[WAKATAKE 2,623]

I’m not sure how much that RE goes for in Georgia but surely he could have maybe downsized a little on the expenses? Unless he’s planning on moving his parents, siblings, and their families in with his own

[Hankegami 412]

26 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

I’m not sure how much that RE goes for in Georgia but surely he could have maybe downsized a little on the expenses? Unless he’s planning on moving his parents, siblings, and their families in with his own

I am not an expert of Georgian society, but considering Georgia was part of the Soviet Union and was therefore exposed to Russian culture I cannot avoid to think he's building a dacha, that is a large agricultural estate. Was it a dacha, paying 1 million dollars for land, manor and all is a good investment. A large dacha allows his owner to live off as a wealthy farmer. Moreover, a dacha is traditionally not a landowner's first house but more his land investment and holiday house, so - were I right about this 'house' of his - Tochinoshin could leave farm-work to other people while engaging in other business.

[Akinomaki 39,562]

As of today, ex-Kotoyuki changed the myoseki from Kimigahama (owned by Okinoumi) to Kitajin (owned by Endo) http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/10/08/0015706312.shtml

Edited October 8, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama 44,267]

4 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

As of today, ex-Kotoyuki changed the myoseki from Kimigahama (owned by Okinoumi) to Kitajin (owned by Endo) http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/10/08/0015706312.shtml

Maybe Okinoumi is planning on retiring by the end of the year and needed the miyoseki available pronto?

[Akinomaki 39,562]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Maybe Okinoumi is planning on retiring by the end of the year and needed the miyoseki available pronto?

Kyushu is basically his home basho - the one closest to home - good place to quit. It is 8 years since Okinoumi last had a makekoshi in makuuchi at a double digit maegashira rank, and that due to injury - he is 37, 2nd oldest sekitori after Tamawashi, and definitely is thinking about intai by now. We just don't know if Kotoyuki is sensing this or got a hint from Hakkaku-beya.

[Kamitsuumi 384]

6 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Kyushu is basically his home basho - the one closest to home - good place to quit.

Osaka is closer.

[sahaven111 167]

3 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

Osaka is closer.

Yeah but his last name is Fukuoka ;-)

[Yamanashi 3,689]

7 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

Osaka is closer.

Cripes, he comes from Okinoshima!  He should wait until the Busan tournament to retire.

[Hankegami 412]

22 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

As of today, ex-Kotoyuki changed the myoseki from Kimigahama (owned by Okinoumi) to Kitajin (owned by Endo) http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/10/08/0015706312.shtml

22 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Maybe Okinoumi is planning on retiring by the end of the year and needed the miyoseki available pronto?

14 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Kyushu is basically his home basho - the one closest to home - good place to quit. It is 8 years since Okinoumi last had a makekoshi in makuuchi at a double digit maegashira rank, and that due to injury - he is 37, 2nd oldest sekitori after Tamawashi, and definitely is thinking about intai by now. We just don't know if Kotoyuki is sensing this or got a hint from Hakkaku-beya.

Not just this tournament. He's coming from two straight MK, a dreadful 4-10-1 as M7 (although it was 4-9 on the dohyo) and a bad 6-9 at M12. He most likely feels he's not going to bounce back and face demotion to Juryo after Kyushu. Math-wise, he will land around M15 in the upcoming banzuke (although I have him at M14e, but I'm not exactly a "Guess the Banzuke" champion), so another 6-9 would be enough to go down - barring poor performances among the upper Juryo. Even if he manages to save his Maakuchi status in Kyushu, there's always Hatsu. And then Haru. And so on. My two cents are that he asked to have his kabu back so to retire as soon as he loses that Maakuchi status he holds since Kyushu 2010. That's twelve years exactly, as Okinoumi himself is surely aware.

 

 

[Akinomaki 39,562]

13 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

19 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Kyushu is basically his home basho - the one closest to home - good place to quit.

Osaka is closer.

You're right, I just looked at the prefecture, but Okinoshima is quite separate. Usually the rikishi from the Chugoku region have Kyushu as gotosho basho, semi-home basho. I found a nice list of those: https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14110720924

VPN needed, so I quote it here

Spoiler

大阪場所の場合は大阪･京都･和歌山･滋賀が御当所となり、

南の岡山が準御当所になります。

北は名古屋場所の御当所エリアで愛知･岐阜･三重が御当所。

名古屋場所の準御当所は､北陸各県や長野･静岡が該当します。

九州場所の御当所は､九州各県に山口県。

準御当所は､中国地方･四国各県･沖縄などとなっています。

[Yamanashi 3,689]

On 08/10/2022 at 05:22, Kintamayama said:

Maybe Okinoumi is planning on retiring by the end of the year and needed the miyoseki available pronto?

One can't think of another reason to do this.  One ominous piece of trivia: Okinoumi started 2021 with a record of 595-566-32; it is now 666-662-32.  If ending your career above .500 means anything to a sekitori, he'd better retire fast.

[Jakusotsu 5,751]

1 hour ago, Yamanashi said:

666-662-32

So it's three straight losses plus intai/fusen next basho, and the beast will be vanquished.

[Seiyashi 4,068]

Pity he hasn't got about 33 more fusen to go with that.

[Jakusotsu 5,751]

5 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Pity he hasn't got about 33 more fusen to go with that.

absences, not fusen...

[Kintamayama 44,267]

Sanoyama Oyakata, ex-Chiyoootori, has switched to the Ooyama name. The name has been available since its former holder ex-Daihi retired in August.

[Hidenotora 63]

Any theorising on why ex-Chiyootori has switched kabu? He owned Sanoyama outright (I think), so why the switch?

[Ripe 67]

That is a question... wasn't he listed as borrower of Sanoyama in December 2021?

[Seiyashi 4,068]

3 hours ago, Ripe said:

That is a question... wasn't he listed as borrower of Sanoyama in December 2021?

This. Guess it might mean another Kokonoe retirement is pending, if the kabu has stayed within that stable. 

[Tigerboy1966 1,374]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

it might mean another Kokonoe retirement is pending

They have four men (Nokuni, Tairyu, Maru & No-o) who meet the qualifications, have no kabu, and are on the wrong side of 30. I don't know if Shoma is seeking Japanese citzenship but he would make five.

[Seiyashi 4,068]

My money is either on Chiyotairyū or Chiyomaru, since their results have been slipping of late. If Chiyootori is a borrower because he couldn't afford the kabu, I don't see how the other two are in any better a position.