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[Kintamayama 47,275]

9 minutes ago, Asojima said:

Oshima is currently an inactive heya.   From that standpoint, it is simply a name change.  There will be no inter-heya rikishi moves.

And the venue will remain the same.

[Asashosakari 20,270]

Ugh, I went down the toshiyori rabbit hole...

In trying to figure out how long the Chiganoura share has been a Dewanoumi property, one ends up going back to the first holder listed on the DB, the first of two Ayagawa Goroji - who is listed as having competed out of (and eventually branched out of) Irumagawa-beya.

The problem here: There's no corresponding Irumagawa-beya listed for that time period. According to the ja.wiki article about the stable, the DB data about one of the several Ryogoku Kajinosuke is currently wrong in that he didn't stay affiliated to Dewanoumi-beya when he retired from active competition in January 1912, but rather set out immediately and created Irumagawa-beya. What's correct is that he took over Dewanoumi-beya in 1923 after the death of Hitachiyama, but he did so by merging his Irumagawa-beya into it, not from a position as already-affiliated oyakata.

(Customary @Tamanaogijima ping. Small addendum: Should the first vacancy period for the Irumagawa kabu start at 01.1923 rather than 02.1923?)

Edited January 25, 2022 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama 47,275]

Ex-Goueidou is branching out on his own and establishing Takekuma beya, it was learned today. His danpatsushiki will be held the day after tomorrow. The move is slated to occur in February and the heya will be established in Tokyo's Outa ward, Yukigaya Otsukamachi. He is taking Makushita yusho winner Nishikawa, Sandanme Tatsuguchi and Jonidan Gouseiryuu (three guys who look promising, none of them have a makekoshi yet in  5-6 bashos except for two kyujos) with him.

Edit - AND he has a new guy Kanzaki starting off at Sandanme tsukedashi 100 next basho.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,275]

Oguruma news- the heya will fold on February 7th, and Oshiogawa beya (run by ex-Takekaze) will be established on the same day. Moving to Oshiogawa:

Oguruma Oyakata, Yago, Amakaze and Hienriki, Sewanin Nishikikaze, and tokoyama TokokazeTokogou.  They will remain at the current Oguruma premises till April 1st and then move to the new premises in Sumida ward.

Nakamura Oyakata (ex-Yoshikaze) who is joining Nishonoseki beya will be taking Makushita Tomokaze, Sakaekaze, Fujikawa, Tatsukaze, Takeoka.  Sandanme Nishida, Miyagi (great promise) and Jonidan Abe. Yobidashi Rokurou as well. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,275]

On 25/01/2022 at 21:07, Kintamayama said:

Ex-Kyokutenhou has switched kabu and is reviving Oushima beya, 10 years after it closed. Current Oushima Oyakata (Ex-Kaiki) will assume the Tomozuna name. The switch will be recognized by the rijikai on the 27th. Ex-Ksiki will be 70 years old in June and will retire from the Kyokai, so that probably had something to do with this. It's actually a switch back the other way when in June 2017, Kyokutenhou who was Oushima back then took over Tomozuna-beya upon the retirement (mandatory 65, stayed on for the additional 5 years) of the then Tomozuna Oyakata, ex-Kaiki..

Official now.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

59 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Oguruma news- the heya will fold on February 7th, and Oshiogawa beya (run by ex-Takekaze) will be established on the same day. Moving to Oshiogawa:

Oguruma Oyakata, Yago, Amakaze and Hienriki, Sewanin Nishikikaze, and tokoyama Tokokaze.  They will remain at the current Oguruma premises till April 1st and then move to the new premises in Sumida ward.

Nakamura Oyakata (ex-Yoshikaze) who is joining Nishonoseki beya will be taking Makushita Tomokaze, Sakaekaze, Fujikawa, Tatsukaze, Takeoka.  Sandanme Nishida, Miyagi (great promise) and Jonidan Abe. Yobidashi Rokurou as well. 

This is even weirder in that the greater amount of rikishi are going to another heya rather than the "successor" to the original heya. That, and Nishonoseki is adding almost twice as many rikishi as it started with. I wonder whether the frisson between Oshiogawa and Nakamura isn't just between the two of them, and/or how much say the lower rankers had in the move.

[Kintamayama 47,275]

1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

This is even weirder in that the greater amount of rikishi are going to another heya rather than the "successor" to the original heya. That, and Nishonoseki is adding almost twice as many rikishi as it started with. I wonder whether the frisson between Oshiogawa and Nakamura isn't just between the two of them, and/or how much say the lower rankers had in the move.

Could also be that most of the guys decided that a future with Kisenosato (with all his promises for a "different" heya) looks much more exciting than a future with ex-Takekaze.

[Sue 535]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Oguruma news- the heya will fold on February 7th

I guess Oguruma isn't such a big wheel any more.

[Yubinhaad 11,971]

7 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Oguruma news- the heya will fold on February 7th, and Oshiogawa beya (run by ex-Takekaze) will be established on the same day. Moving to Oshiogawa:

Oguruma Oyakata, Yago, Amakaze and Hienriki, Sewanin Nishikikaze, and tokoyama Tokokaze.  They will remain at the current Oguruma premises till April 1st and then move to the new premises in Sumida ward.

Nakamura Oyakata (ex-Yoshikaze) who is joining Nishonoseki beya will be taking Makushita Tomokaze, Sakaekaze, Fujikawa, Tatsukaze, Takeoka.  Sandanme Nishida, Miyagi (great promise) and Jonidan Abe. Yobidashi Rokurou as well. 

Minor correction, the tokoyama here is Tokogo. Tokokaze belongs to Oitekaze-beya.

So Hienriki, the last surviving rikishi from the old Oshiogawa-beya, will be in the new one. Yobidashi Rokuro was also from the old Oshiogawa, him moving to Nishonoseki might be a case of greater need with that heya going to be some distance away from others.

[Gurowake 4,152]

7 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

This is even weirder in that the greater amount of rikishi are going to another heya rather than the "successor" to the original heya. That, and Nishonoseki is adding almost twice as many rikishi as it started with. I wonder whether the frisson between Oshiogawa and Nakamura isn't just between the two of them, and/or how much say the lower rankers had in the move.

Not the way I see it.  Oshiogawa should not be seen as the successor but a branch-out.  Those not going with him are going to Nishonoseki because the stable is folding.  That these two events are happening in close proximity may or may not be a coincidence, but they mechanically are separate things.  

[Kintamayama 47,275]

4 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Minor correction, the tokoyama here is Tokogo. Tokokaze belongs to Oitekaze-beya.

 

Fixed.

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[Kaninoyama 1,880]

7 hours ago, Sue said:

I guess Oguruma isn't such a big wheel any more.

Not to be nitpicky with your joke, but the "O" in Oguruma is 尾 meaning tail or end rather than 大 which means big. 

Just FYI in case you or anyone wasn't aware. Not that it matters anymore since it's going extinct...

[Kaninoyama 1,880]

5 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Not the way I see it.  Oshiogawa should not be seen as the successor but a branch-out.  Those not going with him are going to Nishonoseki because the stable is folding.  That these two events are happening in close proximity may or may not be a coincidence, but they mechanically are separate things.  

Oguruma Oyakata clearly stated as much. Oguruma is ending and his disciples will be making their own fresh starts. 

[Muhomatsu 247]

40 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Not to be nitpicky with your joke, but the "O" in Oguruma is 尾 meaning tail or end rather than 大 which means big. 

Just FYI in case you or anyone wasn't aware. Not that it matters anymore since it's going extinct...

I always translated it as “caboose”.  

[WAKATAKE 2,759]

6 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Oguruma Oyakata clearly stated as much. Oguruma is ending and his disciples will be making their own fresh starts. 

Chris Gould seems to be thinking otherwise, his latest video still calling Oshiogawa the successor to Oguruma

[Churaumi 753]

Chris Gould thinks a lot of things.

[Kaninoyama 1,880]

20 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Chris Gould seems to be thinking otherwise, his latest video still calling Oshiogawa the successor to Oguruma

When Oguruma was the guest commentator during Hatsu that's exactly what he said (that he wanted both to have a fresh start under their own names), if I remember correctly. 

[Yubinhaad 11,971]

The Tomozuna/Oshima name swap and the establishment of Takekuma-beya are both official today.

 

The next vacancies will not be in myoseki but in wakaimonogashira positions, with Shiraiwa turning 65 a week before the Haru basho and Kotochitose in late April.

I've been contemplating Kyokutaisei as one potential replacement, but he has enough basho to hold a myoseki so maybe he's just waiting to take Tomozuna on loan when ex-Kaiki retires for good in June.

I say on loan because Kaisei is supposed to be the intended recipient of Tomozuna, ex-Kaiki being his original shisho of course. Kaisei has been quite Musashimaru-like in keeping his cards close to his chest regarding his future with the Kyokai, so who knows how that will play out.

[Tamanaogijima 777]

On 25/01/2022 at 22:44, Asashosakari said:

 

(Customary @Tamanaogijima ping. Small addendum: Should the first vacancy period for the Irumagawa kabu start at 01.1923 rather than 02.1923?

 

 

Customary lag in receiving ping - but changes are in the DB now.

[Yubinhaad 11,971]

Hochi reports that Oguruma-oyakata (former Ozeki Kotokaze) will make use of the re-employment system and stay on as sanyo after he reaches retirement age next month.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

Might be the wrong place, but Nishonoseki (ex-Kisenosato) and Naruto (ex-Kotoōshū) oyakata are to join the shimpan department - so we will see them as ringside judges.

Reported in the Nishinippon Shimbun (headquartered in Fukuoka), morning edition.

[Akinomaki 41,838]

The complete list of oyakata jobs was updated https://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokai/rijikai

I thought no former oyakata would be in the hyogi-in-kai anymore, but they simply don't list the shikona and rank, ex-Isenoumi is still in it, ex-Dewanoumi and ex-Asanosho

Edited March 30, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 41,838]

Tamanoi was elected new head of the toshiyori assembly today at the meeting of the oyakata who are not executives. Elected among the representatives for each ichimon were Asakayama for Isegahama and Nishiiwa for Nishonoseki. https://www.sankei.com/article/20220330-JKWS4QYSWVOUNPBJEDYVWUHOXM/

[Sakura 1,524]

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

The complete list of oyakata jobs was updated https://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokai/rijikai

I thought no former oyakata would be in the hyogi-in-kai anymore, but they simply don't list the shikona and rank, ex-Isenoumi is still in it, ex-Dewanoumi and ex-Asanosho

If I believed the Google translate of that site then 6th frontal piece Homarefuji has duties in the driving school. 

It is interesting to see ex-Kisenosato's position relative to his Ozeki and Yokozuna peers. Also, ex-Goeido's duties seem less generic than those of ex-Kotoshogiku, ex-Hakuho and Kakuryu.

[Akinomaki 41,838]

27 minutes ago, Sakura said:

ex-Goeido's duties seem less generic than those of ex-Kotoshogiku, ex-Hakuho and Kakuryu.

He won't have much to do in the jungyo department, but maybe there will really be some again this year. The other 3 will produce information for the press. Kakuryu: "So that those who read it have no problems, I have to practice calligraphy." Magaki: "I want to deal to the best of my abilities with the work I have been assigned to." https://www.sanspo.com/article/20220330-YP7NU4DMUBIVNJ6A4OLHHGXUYM/

Edited March 30, 2022 by Akinomaki