Koorifuu

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About Koorifuu

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  1. Koorifuu

    Haru 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    Results by maegashira rikishi born from 1987 that are not yokozuna: 2-4, 1-5, 1-5, 4-2, 1-5, 1-5, 1-5, 2-4, 0-6, 4-2, 3-3, 6-0, 3-3, 3-3 Total of: 32W 52L Out of those 32W, only 14 were against people outside this group. Ever youthful Takarafuji's technical style pays off with longevity. Only positive score thus far in this group's first half of the lower sanyaku + upper maegashira representation. Aoiyama's standout record is due to the fact he's declined to territories he didn't belong to, so it still validates my point to an extent. Ikioi's positive record so far is a good surprise. I know that the "change of the guard" is an old topic and the yokozuna sure are subverting that, but I doubt it's ever been this pronounced.
  2. Koorifuu

    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    Interesting bit: both went undefeated quite far into their first basho as makushita, and both were derailed by the same person: the Kaitomachine who made lower makushita his turf! Kitanowaka was Kaito's 4th scalp, Tochikamiyama his 5th.
  3. Koorifuu

    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    I do remember then-Iwasaki soaring through the ranks and looking like he was destined for great things...
  4. Koorifuu

    Hatsu 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    Indeed. It might sound unbelievable but he's as old as Endo and just one year older than Shodai - both of whom are usually perceived as from a different generation.
  5. Koorifuu

    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    Thanks for clearing it up. I was under the impression it was pretty much a given / open secret.
  6. Koorifuu

    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    I think Sokokurai was supposed to go intai at the end of next basho no matter what so that he succeeds his oyakata.
  7. Koorifuu

    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    Thanks for still putting it out there regarsless - your summaries are always worth waiting for!
  8. Koorifuu

    Hatsu 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    I've posted it on other thread, but Kashiwado got promoted to ozeki with 30 wins in an era where there was also a change of the guard & a bit of a depletion up there. It was 60 years ago though.
  9. Koorifuu

    Hatsu 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    As much as I'd love to see Kotoshogiku climbing up the table, I'm not sure if he still has 13 makuuchi shiroboshi in him. Although, to be very fair, his decline in lower maegashira has been slower than I expected and I'm probably not the only one. Who knows? ------- Completely different topic: I thought the writing was on the wall for Goeido after his battle against Okinoumi. A clear and deserved shitatenage victory got tottari turned into a loss (...sorry) simply because he chickened out at the "who's getting faceplanted later" duel.. Personally that's when I noticed he didn't have it in him anymore.
  10. Koorifuu

    Hatsu 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    You know, that's exactly what roughly one year ago I thought Takayasu would be - the man to take the spoils in the period where the old guard got too weary and the upcoming new one was still not there yet - but Tamawashi had other plans.
  11. Koorifuu

    Hatsu 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    I think you just threw the signal. Alright, I wasn't too happy at the start, but his emotional reaction won me.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    My point is mostly how that seems to stand out a bit more now that the situation in the top is different than usual, despite it being absolutely normal and commonplace. I'm not entirely sure why everyone is replying as if I'm shocked it's happening...
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    It's not a problem per se and it's definitely a much smaller factor than Y/O ranks being effectively non-existent, but it has a bit of an effect in distorting the general notion on how many ranks a certain rikishi moved from one basho to another. Sure - it won't be the case for experienced fans with a keen eye, and its effect is minimal, but on paper promotions might not look as impressive as they were and demotions will feel harsher. Then again, this is only made noticeable because of the generalised banzuke chaos caused by having one single Y/O doing his job. As you mentioned it's happening all the time. Interesting, at first glance it looks like the complete opposite effect could happen with someone makes ozeki and everyone else is shunted up a step, making it all look more impressive than before... But that was never ever mentioned. Maybe it has to do with the fact that the new ozeki have already been doing ozeki work for 3 basho.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Hatsu 2020

    Yes, this is right. There is something else though: Usually, when there were at least 6 fully able and qualified Y/O, the joi guys would take a brutal beating. Double digit losses were fully expected. They'd go down at least around 10 places in the banzuke. Plenty of 8-7 / 9-6 mid maegashira dwellers took the spoils and this would heigthen the feeling that even a 8-7 would be very benefitial. As explained by @Gurowake, the logjam is happening because those beatings are not happening anymore and none of the new guard is standing out from the rest in order to receive their own ozeki promotion - except, obviously, Takakeisho. Plenty of people have winning records and nowhere to climb to. If only the likes of Hokutofuji, Asanoyama or Mitakeumi had 3 consecutive consistent basho... If the banzuke commitee doesn't go gung-ho and create more komusubi spots again, we're going to have a M18 next time round and I've frankly never seen that happening. Which is also a problem by itself - the depletion of the yokozuna/ozeki ranks means more spots are added at the bottom of maegashira. Now that Goeido is going down, for example, staying in M7e would be an invisible promotion because it's actually one step above in the ladder. EDIT: We haven't had M18 since Aki 1959 and back then makuuchi had 46 rikishi - nowadays it's 42. EDIT #2: Dug around and I found an interesting case in 1960, where a changing of the guards was also happening with barely any yokozuna or ozeki: Kashiwado was promoted to ozeki with 30 wins. It ended up being proven as the right decision, even if he had plenty more junyusho than actual yusho... But that's because someone else ascended shortly after.
  15. Koorifuu

    Hatsu 2020 Basho Discussion (SPOILERS)

    And man, that was a painful one to watch.