Doitsuyama 1,178 Posted January 9, 2017 I don't think this would be "bending rules for a Japanese yokozuna", to me this looks like normal consideration for a very good ozeki. With his track record, a 15-0 yusho (unlikely as that is) would result in likely promotion, Japanese or not. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: I think the misbelief that there is no yokozuna run this basho needs to be corrected. The Daily headline yesterday "Kisenosato, for whom a yokozuna run is on the line ..." can still be interpreted to mean that he needs a good result to have a run next time, but Sponichi the day before asked in the headline if a overpowering yusho (not just 15-0) is enough, quoting Nishonoseki: "After we watched till the last day", and I read about other oyakata (I think it was no.2. Oguruma) talking in a similar way. Kise is always in If Kise gets a Zensho Yusho you can take it to the bank he will be immediately promoted IMHO. After all those JY and having the most wins for the calendar year they can easily support it. I think if he gets a any other yusho then any jun yusho in March will get it for him too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) I agree, if Kisenosato goes 15-0 zensho yusho, he deserves yokozuna promotion. The question becomes, what about 14-1Y? What about 13-2Y? What if he beats all three yokozunae? There is a slippery slope. Edited January 9, 2017 by Bumpkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 233 Posted January 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: I agree, if Kisenosato goes 15-0 zensho yusho, he deserves yokozuna promotion. The question becomes, what about 14-1Y? What about 13-2Y? What if he beats all three yokozunae? There is a slippery slope. No worry, he will probably finish this basho with 11 or 12 wins. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,734 Posted January 9, 2017 I know it's only day 2, but Mitakeumi appears to have crossed the mental hurdle Shodai has yet to clear. They both have the physique and technique to make ozeki, but Shodai was totally lacking in fighting spirit against Hak yesterday, whereas Mita is bristling with it. 1O and 1Y down - go on, my son! Kise on a tsuna run? Here we go again... Re: Vertical front = illegal. There are exceptions; famously, Ama's (Harumafuji's) tsuriotoshi on Goeido at Aki 2007. No one called it, but you can see he could almost have been called for hair-pulling, if you know what I mean! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, RabidJohn said: I know it's only day 2, but Mitakeumi appears to have crossed the mental hurdle Shodai has yet to clear. They both have the physique and technique to make ozeki, but Shodai was totally lacking in fighting spirit against Hak yesterday, whereas Mita is bristling with it. 1O and 1Y down - go on, my son! Cut Shodai some slack. His 1st match in Sanyaku was Hakuho. He bounced right back with a win against a guy who beat him last basho. Mitakeumi is looking great, he may be off to an Okinoumi/AKI 16 start here, but he crashed and burned his 1'st basho in Sanyaku last basho. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,484 Posted January 9, 2017 It's a good thing I'm not a sekitori, because I thought the tournament started NEXT Sunday. Sneaky first Sunday of the year. No worry, he will probably finish this basho with 11 or 12 wins. My guess would be 12 wins, another jun-yusho, but still not actually in the yusho race. The perfect blend of success and failure to generate pages and pages of articles in newspaper sports sections and thread after thread of pointless armchair speculation on nerdy internet forums. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted January 9, 2017 Benevolance: "The perfect blend of success and failure". Perfect! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,734 Posted January 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Rocks said: Cut Shodai some slack. His 1st match in Sanyaku was Hakuho. He bounced right back with a win against a guy who beat him last basho. Mitakeumi is looking great, he may be off to an Okinoumi/AKI 16 start here, but he crashed and burned his 1'st basho in Sanyaku last basho. Don't get me wrong, I want Shodai to do well, but if he's going to be the ozeki he looks like he could be, he's got to look at a day 1 match against Hak as an opportunity. I want to see him having a go, not going in with an I've-lost-already tachi-ai like he did yesterday. Mitakeumi has looked confident and in control against 2 serious opponents, as he should if this is the start of his ozeki run - which it could be! BTW, 6-9 as a shin-sanyaku is not crashing and burning, and Mita's short drop to M1 kind of backs that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, RabidJohn said: Don't get me wrong, I want Shodai to do well, but if he's going to be the ozeki he looks like he could be, he's got to look at a day 1 match against Hak as an opportunity. I want to see him having a go, not going in with an I've-lost-already tachi-ai like he did yesterday. Mitakeumi has looked confident and in control against 2 serious opponents, as he should if this is the start of his ozeki run - which it could be! BTW, 6-9 as a shin-sanyaku is not crashing and burning, and Mita's short drop to M1 kind of backs that up. I'm just saying a new promotion to such a high rank comes with a lot of parties and commitments to thank supporters than usual, curtailing training and concentration. It's not surprising when they don't do well after a division or sanyaku promotion. Even newly promoted Yokuzuna often tank a bit their 1st basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted January 9, 2017 Kise will need a yusho to clinch it. The bigger the distance to the nearest contender, the more likely he will be considered for promotion. I fear that a one point difference will only establish him for another tsuna run in the Haru basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwale 419 Posted January 9, 2017 Mitakeumi has the tenacity to be an ozeki, but does he have the ability? My feeling is, "Not yet." But I would not mind at all being proven wrong on that! And I do not have a hard time picturing him at that lofty rank in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted January 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Benevolance said: The perfect blend of success and failure to generate pages and pages of articles in newspaper sports sections and thread after thread of pointless armchair speculation on nerdy internet forums. Sounds a bit like what happened with Endo 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,918 Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Poor Osu. Such a brilliant footwork and fighting on the bales. He was limping badly. Question about the Chiyoshoma-Myogiryu bout. The winning kimarite says shitatenage, but as you can see in the slomo, Chiyo pushes Myo's knee backwards. Shouldn't something like that be a different kimarite, because he doesn't simply bend him over? Amuru looking strong, wily Aminishiki is wily, Ura, Kotoyuuki, Endo and Shodai on fire, Takekaze as cold as ice, Killernosato, Kotoshogiku -> demoted, Terunofuji -> kadoban, bad beat for Shohozan. In the Mitakeumi poll i said "kill 'em all". 2 days, 2 shots, 2 kills. This boy is a future yokozuna, end of story. Day 2 summary: Awesome. Edited January 9, 2017 by Benihana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,224 Posted January 9, 2017 I feel bad for Shohozan as well. Was hoping that the shinpan would be a bit more creative with their interpretation but they chose to go by the book and favour the Yokozuna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SumpaX 23 Posted January 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, Benihana said: This boy is a future yokozuna, end of story. Not so fast, lets see if he can win a yusho first... ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,918 Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, SumpaX said: Not so fast, lets see if he can win a yusho first... ^^ Who's gonna stop him, when the 3 Yoks are intai? Some random doofus? ^^ Edited January 9, 2017 by Benihana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,093 Posted January 9, 2017 Yup, what these threads really need more of are a bunch of huge unfunny image memes and random nonsense Youtube embeds. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morningstar 118 Posted January 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: Yup, what these threads really need more of are a bunch of huge unfunny image memes and random nonsense Youtube embeds. The lest they could do is put them in spoilers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,093 Posted January 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Morningstar said: The lest they could do is put them in spoilers. But then all the cleverness would be missed by us... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,918 Posted January 9, 2017 Don't be so harsh. A nice "please cease this" would have done it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted January 9, 2017 23 hours ago, Nantonoyama said: Brilliant moves by both Osunaarashi and Yoshikaze. Yoshikaze's grab was very impressive, but I thought that it was forbidden to grab the opponent's mawashi by the vertical strip (the one that goes between the cheeks)... Only forbidden to grab the strip that covers the kintama. The other vertical strip (ato-tatemitsu) is fair game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted January 9, 2017 Takekaze 2-0 and in the perfect rank to leapfrog into san'yaku. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Yoshikaze's tsuriotoshi was outstanding, but the best one I ever saw was the one Asashoryu pulled off against Kotomitsuki. Edited January 10, 2017 by sekitori 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 10, 2017 Chiyonokuni was pretty vicious with Goldenrod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
