Haru 2023 discussion (results)

[sumojoann 1,256]

27 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

The cream rose to the top in the last five days. The two best wrestlers in the tournament squared off for the yusho and the better man won. Daieisho did his style of sumo, and you can't blame him for that, but Kiribayama read him like a book and countered brilliantly.

KBY is the best healthy wrestler in the game: he's relatively young, can fight oshi or yotsu, hasn't missed a bout in 7 years, has gone JY and Y in the last 2 basho and he has good looks and charisma just to put the cherry on the cake. Yes he only has 31 wins in the last 3 basho but I think they should at least consider ozeki promotion right now.

I doubt if Kiribayama will get promoted to Ozeki right now.  As recently as this past Kyushu (2022) AND Nagoya (2022), he managed only 8-7s.  If they look at ONLY Hatsu 2023 and of course Haru, yes he was great (Jun Yusho and Gino-sho at Hatsu 2023), but I think they will see how he follows this up in May. 

[RabidJohn 1,665]

9 minutes ago, sumojoann said:

I doubt if Kiribayama will get promoted to Ozeki right now.  As recently as this past Kyushu (2022) AND Nagoya (2022), he managed only 8-7s.  If they look at ONLY Hatsu 2023 and of course Haru, yes he was great (Jun Yusho and Gino-sho at Hatsu 2023), but I think they will see how he follows this up in May. 

I'm with you. While 31 has occasionally been good enough in the past, I believe it would only be good enough now if the NSK knew either Terunofuji or Takakeisho intended to resign tomorrow and they had a banzuke hole to fill. 

[Reonito 1,335]

We already know he isn't being considered now.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,245]

So many great throws in the second half of the basho.

Congrats to Kiribayama!

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Impressive how all the sanyaku rikishi (except Tobizaru) stepped up and "took responsibility," as they always say in Japanese, for maintaining the integrity of the basho.

A preview of what the top of the banzuke will look like over the next couple years. 

[hakutorizakura 590]

19 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Sad to see Mitakeumi still a shadow of his former self. One KK following his ozeki promotion, then 6 straight MKs. What happened?

Maybe he has achieved his life goals and lost motivation? For the rest of his life he'll be referred to as moto-ozeki Mitakeumi (not sekiwake anymore where he spent so many basho at - and got 3 yusho).

[dingo 1,160]

1 hour ago, hakutorizakura said:

Maybe he has achieved his life goals and lost motivation? For the rest of his life he'll be referred to as moto-ozeki Mitakeumi (not sekiwake anymore where he spent so many basho at - and got 3 yusho).

I'm sure he would've like to have stayed ozeki for longer than he actually did. Looking at his sumo it seems the issue is physical, he's just lost power. I know he had a serious arm (chest?) injury soon after getting to ozeki but perhaps there's more. 

[since_94 650]

On 26/03/2023 at 16:24, Rocks said:

What was Hoshoryu thinking with the stare downs and trying to intimidate Takayasu? The last thing he wanted to do was get Takayasu interested in the match. He's 1-6 against Takayasu. 

Yes, I’m finding his protracted stare downs tedious already. Is he searching for a gimmick? Is he trying to climb out from Uncle’s shadow by…gasp…imitating Uncle? How very edgy of the young man. Like his sumo and recognize his potential like anyone else, but this smacks of trying too hard. My unsolicited $0.02

[lackmaker 432]

No reason to believe its anything other than his character showing through. Some people need it to be psyched up for the challenge ahead. Doubt it's a gimmick.

[Akinomaki 39,786]

As it is no prediction I put it here and not the ridiculous thread - from the ChatGPT thread, Haru basho results from the kokugikan

43 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

The Japanese articles show chats in Japanese, here the thing refused to understand the language at first. It also reacted to German only after a simple question, slow and with even less useful information. After that it also answered to Japanese ones, starting with just a word to have it switch. In German it says it can't access the present news, without giving any information, just general ones about sumo. In Japanese it reports the results of the Haru basho: New yokozuna Enho won, beating new makuuchi Kotonokuni in the ketteisen (that is to be inferred from the response). However Kotonokuni got the juryo yusho and will be new makuuchi next basho.

- 大相撲の最新情報は？

2023年3月場所が、3月13日から27日までの15日間、東京・両国国技館で開催されました。この場所では、新横綱・炎鵬（えんほう）が初優勝を果たしました。また、新入幕力士である琴乃国（ことのくに）が、優勝決定戦で敗れはしましたが、十両優勝を果たし、翌場所での新入幕が期待されています。

Edited March 27, 2023 by Akinomaki

[rokudenashi 291]

Not to mention that apparently the tournament took place in Tōkyō, finished today rather than yesterday and somehow despite Enhō being yokozuna, this was his first top division title win.

I’ll have whatever ChatGPT is smoking

Edited March 27, 2023 by rokudenashi

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

1 minute ago, rokudenashi said:

I’ll have whatever ChatGPT is smoking

If it helps getting rid of that nuisance once and for all, I'm all in.

[Akinomaki 39,786]

I don't want to expand this thread with chat nuisance, but now that the thing knows that I use all 3 languages, I put the same Japanese question to it in the German chat:

There the basho is still going on, who is in the lead is unknown, but a very good result is expected from new yokozuna Terunofuji.

The NSK announced as a Corona measure that from the Natsu basho on the basho will take place over a time period shortened by 2 weeks, so that the rikishi have to fight with less days off than usual.

Spoiler

- 大相撲の最新情報は？

2023年3月場所が現在行われており、東京・両国国技館で行われています。現在の優勝争いはまだ分かりませんが、新横綱の照ノ富士がこの場所での好調な成績を維持しています。

また、大相撲協会は2023年5月場所から、新型コロナウイルス感染症の影響を考慮し、通常よりも2週間短い期間での開催となることを発表しました。この期間短縮に伴い、力士たちは通常よりも少ない休息日で戦わなければなりません。

This thing is useful as an April fool joke generator, but beware on Saturday: it won't produce good ones.

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

This thing is useful as an April fool joke generator, but beware on Saturday: it won't produce good ones.

Thus I beg you to heed your own advice and stop propagating any further.

I see a very dark future ahead of us, and I'm not joking.

[Benevolance 2,478]

Because I've got, like, one job here and it's pretty evident that it's easily outsourced to AI. 

[Suwihuto 125]

On 27/03/2023 at 12:37, since_94 said:

Yes, I’m finding his protracted stare downs tedious already. Is he searching for a gimmick? Is he trying to climb out from Uncle’s shadow by…gasp…imitating Uncle? How very edgy of the young man. Like his sumo and recognize his potential like anyone else, but this smacks of trying too hard. My unsolicited $0.02

I've been missing such pre-bout shenanigans in these after-times. Within a year, we're going to have a new complement of young angry rikishi at the top of the banzuke, and I want to see some proper rivalry!

[Benevolance 2,478]

Nothing will top Shohozan face-palming Goiedou off the dohyo. Ah, classic Goeidou! 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

3 hours ago, Benevolance said:

Nothing will top Shohozan face-palming Goiedou off the dohyo. Ah, classic Goeidou! 

This brought to mind Genesis v Angeal in Crisis Core. 

[Ack! 433]

On 26/03/2023 at 15:36, Ripe said:

Next basho we'll have 11 Yusho winners in Makuuchi and another 1 in Juryo and 1 in Makushita... for a total of 13 former Yusho winners still active. So now I wonder what is the greatest number of active past Yusho winners?

8 different yusho winners in the last 8 basho...

[I am the Yokozuna 186]

12 hours ago, Ack! said:

8 different yusho winners in the last 8 basho...

And that is a really exciting and competitive period to enjoy the sumo. You can never guess who would be winning the yusho and this brings out a lot of entertainment.  There is always someone who surprises everyone and eclipses everyone's expectations. At the end of the day, sumo is a competition and we have witnessed it for the last two years. 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

1 hour ago, I am the Yokozuna said:

And that is a really exciting and competitive period to enjoy the sumo. You can never guess who would be winning the yusho and this brings out a lot of entertainment.  There is always someone who surprises everyone and eclipses everyone's expectations. At the end of the day, sumo is a competition and we have witnessed it for the last two years. 

The only constant is that we dislike constants. Hakuhō wins too much? Boooooring. 8 different yūshō winners in a row? Too chaotic, where's the next dai yokozuna!

[Oortael 151]

47 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

The only constant is that we dislike constants. Hakuhō wins too much? Boooooring. 8 different yūshō winners in a row? Too chaotic, where's the next dai yokozuna!

I would express this another way.

It's great to follow the dominance of a rikishi over a long run ("I was there to see all 45 Hakuho yusho, son").
But for short-term entertainment value I feel a messy basho is better. Let's say I doubt many of us will remember fondly that 2nd Tamawashi yusho 10 years from now.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Oortael

[Seiyashi 4,071]

14 minutes ago, Oortael said:

I would express this another way.

It's great to follow the dominance of a rikishi over a long run ("I was there to see all 45 Hakuho yusho, son").
But for short-term entertainment value I feel a messy basho is better. Let's say I doubt many of us will remember fondly that 2nd Tamawashi yusho 10 years from now.

What second Tamawashi yūshō? 

[dingo 1,160]

20 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

What second Tamawashi yūshō? 

2019 Hatsu and 2022 Aki. 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Yeah, I know, I was just having a laugh by proving Oortael's point.