Aki Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Dapeng 236]

1 hour ago, bettega said:

Hakuho's Zenshō-Yūshōs are now even with Wajima's Yushos in the 7th place of "Most Yushos"

 

His 41 yusho and 14 zensho speak louder than everything. 

[specialweek 2 138]

1 hour ago, bettega said:

Hakuho's Zenshō-Yūshōs are now even with Wajima's Yushos in the 7th place of "Most Yushos"

 

14  then Taiho 8. Mazing.

Edited September 23, 2018 by specialweek 2

[robnplunder 978]

5 hours ago, Adil said:

Tokushouryuu said in his interview (among other things) that he had contemplated the possibility of being demoted to makushita; he started crying and couldn't continue the interview after saying that. Is his yusho interview available anywhere?

He couldn't contain his emotion right after he beat Diamami.   Loved it.   Let's see if he can follow it up in the next basho.

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12 hours ago, ryafuji said:

 

I dunno if Hakuho’s yusho was really zensho worthy. He looked a bit shaky on a couple of occasions. Still, it was an impressive comeback. Maybe taking a few basho off by withdrawing if he is just a little injured,  with the odd yusho thrown in, will be the way he gets to 2020 and the Olympics. 

Any yusho which includes 15 straight wins, no matter how how they were won,  is zensho worthy. 

As I mentioned before, rank has its privileges. In sumo, those privileges especially apply to a rikishi who has won 41 yushos, has over 1000 makunouchi victories, and wants to extend his career to include his presence at the 2020 Olympics. Hakuho is now at a stage when he can choose which bashos in which to compete and which to go kyujo. No mattter what his reason may be for going kyujo in any particular basho,  I doubt if anyone will complain. He is now at a point where he can do just about anything he wants to. I doubt if that can be said about any other rikishi who ever competed. 

Edited September 24, 2018 by sekitori

[Eikokurai 3,437]

25 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

He couldn't contain his emotion right after he beat Diamami.   Loved it.   Let's see if he can follow it up in the next basho.

Same. I’m one of those heretics who likes it when rikishi show some emotion on the dohyo. And I’ve always rather liked Tokushōryū, if only because his waddle and squat are reminiscent of my toddler son. Haha. He has an adorably baby-like appearance, especially when he wore his baby-blue mawashi.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Eikokurai

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

10 hours ago, Chankomafuji said:

It is a worthy reminder to the all-knowing community that after the so Yokozuna unworthy dame oshi that Hakuho (who must be punished and forced to retire, become a monk and erase him from sumo history, ) did to Ichinojo, the later won his 5 last bouts in a row to secure his bare 8-7 kachikoshi. 

There may be some truth to this. The look on his face after he lost that day suggested he was unhappy with his performance, and his sumo was qualitatively better in the remaining days of the tournament. He also could have listed to Kitanofuji announcer, who suggested he needs to use more pushing in his sumo like the Hawaiians did.

[Tiger Tanaka 226]

Mitakeumi is getting closer. Last basho he faced his biggest pressure and rose to the challenge, taking the yusho. This time with Ozekiship on the line, he faltered. He was closer than it seems, as he did take down two ozeki. However, two big missteps: He underestimated Ikioi's strength, who after a blistering tachiai was able to finish off Mita with ease. And then the very ill-advised HNH attempt against Kaisei, which just isn't Mita's style of sumo and very disappointing given that he was able to beat Kaisei handily the previous basho. He has the talent, now he just needs to maintain the focus and confidence for all 15 days.

[robnplunder 978]

1 hour ago, Tiger Tanaka said:

Mitakeumi is getting closer. Last basho he faced his biggest pressure and rose to the challenge, taking the yusho. This time with Ozekiship on the line, he faltered. He was closer than it seems, as he did take down two ozeki. However, two big missteps: He underestimated Ikioi's strength, who after a blistering tachiai was able to finish off Mita with ease. And then the very ill-advised HNH attempt against Kaisei, which just isn't Mita's style of sumo and very disappointing given that he was able to beat Kaisei handily the previous basho. He has the talent, now he just needs to maintain the focus and confidence for all 15 days.

Mita has definitely improved.   The question is ... what can he improve to be more consistent in the 2nd half of basho?   Stamina? Focus?  He has an unhealthy losing record for the last 8 bashos between 8th and 15th days.   If he can figure that out, he will be a good Ozeki.  

[Kyokufuji 64]

18 hours ago, Morty said:

Finally, I was quite worried about Bad-Wig Man this basho as he hadn't appeared at any time in his usual position of front row left behind the Shimpan, but he showed up today with another one of his daughters third row right behind the Simpan. It must be getting harder to get tickets to this thing.

I need a screen cap so I can start looking for this guy too!

[Kuroyama 715]

20 hours ago, Morty said:

Finally, I was quite worried about Bad-Wig Man this basho as he hadn't appeared at any time in his usual position of front row left behind the Shimpan, but he showed up today with another one of his daughters third row right behind the Simpan. It must be getting harder to get tickets to this thing.

 

"Daughters".

Edited September 24, 2018 by Kuroyama

[robnplunder 978]

Daughters?  I thought they were his mistresses.  Watching sumo damages ones mind.

[Jakusotsu 6,387]

I can't shake the feeling that many of those eager for Mitakeumi to become Ozeki are the same voices deriding Goeido.

[Benihana 1,971]

4 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

He has an adorably baby-like appearance, especially when he wore his baby-blue mawashi.

Porcellain puppet us the first thing always coming to my mind.

[Kintamayama 47,175]

15 hours ago, Chankomafuji said:

It is a worthy reminder to the all-knowing community that after the so Yokozuna unworthy dame oshi that Hakuho (who must be punished and forced to retire, become a monk and erase him from sumo history, ) did to Ichinojo, the later won his 5 last bouts in a row to secure his bare 8-7 kachikoshi. 

Almost exactly how Ichinojou did last basho, but without the shove.

[Kuroyama 715]

16 hours ago, ryafuji said:

I dunno if Hakuho’s yusho was really zensho worthy. He looked a bit shaky on a couple of occasions. Still, it was an impressive comeback. Maybe taking a few basho off by withdrawing if he is just a little injured,  with the odd yusho thrown in, will be the way he gets to 2020 and the Olympics. 

He won every bout. How is that not "zensho worthy"? Are we now imposing some condition for a "true zensho" other than a mere zensho?

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 minute ago, Kuroyama said:

He won every bout. How is that not "zensho worthy"? Are we now imposing some condition for a "true zensho" other than a mere zensho?

Well, we have Yokozuna and Dai-Yokozuna, so why not Dai-Zensho? :)

[robnplunder 978]

56 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

I can't shake the feeling that many of those eager for Mitakeumi to become Ozeki are the same voices deriding Goeido.

Why would they deride Goeido?   I am a fan of both Mita & Goeido.   What did I miss?  

[Morty 1,518]

1 hour ago, Kyokufuji said:

I need a screen cap so I can start looking for this guy too!

It won't let me upload a pic, even though it is only 7kb.

1 hour ago, robnplunder said:

Daughters?  I thought they were his mistresses.  Watching sumo damages ones mind.

"Daughters" is a euphemism...

[Shio-kago 180]

49 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Why would they deride Goeido?   I am a fan of both Mita & Goeido.   What did I miss?  

Many sumo fans despise Goeido for blowing his big opportunities. They don't yet perceive Mitakeumi as a choker, so they're eager for him to move up and take over Goeido's place. I'll be interested to see if Mitakeumi's disappointing result this basho sours some of those people on him.

I've heard people argue that double-digit wins should be the standard for an Ozeki(even though only a tiny percentage of Ozeki are ever able to meet that standard, and those few who can are usually just passing through on their way to Yokozuna!) so mere KK, no matter who you've faced or beaten, is unworthy of someone who holds that rank. I've heard some people justify their dislike for him with fantastic inventions, like insisting that Goeido "henka's too much"; even though Goeido rarely resorts to the henka, and I'm not even sure he's henka'd in 2018. I've even heard Goeido called a coward! I'd like to see the person who said that face a freight train collision with a guy like Hakuho or Takayasu!

Once people take a disliking you, they can be awfully stubborn about it.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Shio-kago

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43 minutes ago, Shio-kago said:

Many sumo fans despise Goeido for blowing his big opportunities. They don't yet perceive Mitakeumi as a choker, so they're eager for him to move up and take over Goeido's place. I'll be interested to see if Mitakeumi's disappointing result this basho sours some of those people on him.

I've heard people argue that double-digit wins should be the standard for an Ozeki(even though only a tiny percentage of Ozeki are ever able to meet that standard, and those few who can are usually just passing through on their way to Yokozuna!) so mere KK, no matter who you've faced or beaten, is unworthy of someone who holds that rank. I've heard some people justify their dislike for him with fantastic inventions, like insisting that Goeido "henka's too much"; even though Goeido rarely resorts to the henka, and I'm not even sure he's henka'd in 2018. I've even heard Goeido called a coward! I'd like to see the person who said that face a freight train collision with a guy like Hakuho or Takayasu!

Once people take a disliking you, they can be awfully stubborn about it.

Sounds like some have unreasonable expectation of Goeido/Ozeki.     He sure showed the dissenters in Aki by going jun-yusho.   Meanwhile, Mita blew one opportunity at Ozekiship and it may be a while before he becomes one.  Other than his yusho basho, he has been a worthy Sekiwake, no more or no less, in the last 8 bashos.     I.e, he needs a growth spurt to take & maintain an Ozeki rank at this point.   I still like Mita and his chances, eventually, of making an Ozeki and beyond.  

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Well, we have Yokozuna and Dai-Yokozuna, so why not Dai-Zensho? :)

A dai-zensho requires to win each day against a so far undefeated opponent

[Raishu 218]

2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Well, we have Yokozuna and Dai-Yokozuna, so why not Dai-Zensho? :)

Anagrams are a lot of fun!

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50 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Sounds like some have unreasonable expectation of Goeido/Ozeki.     He sure showed the dissenters in Aki by going jun-yusho.   Meanwhile, Mita blew one opportunity at Ozekiship and it may be a while before he becomes one.  Other than his yusho basho, he has been a worthy Sekiwake, no more or no less, in the last 8 bashos.     I.e, he needs a growth spurt to take & maintain an Ozeki rank at this point.   I still like Mita and his chances, eventually, of making an Ozeki and beyond.  

i think its hard to imagine mita as a yokozuna

from my angle oshi guys cant be a yokozuna

you should have to be very good on the belt and you have to be good enough without belt if you want to be a yokozuna

asashoryu hakuho harumafuji kakuryu they are all good on the belt and all good with oshi attacks only kisenosato is not good without mawashi

[LeoD 17]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

A dai-zensho requires to win each day against a so far undefeated opponent

And win the decider against a 15-0 stable mate

[Tsubame 378]

Does being demoted to Makushita will end Gagamarus perennial Ozeki-run or not?