Basho Talk - Nagoya Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[kuroimori 1,634]

Mitakeumi seems to have injured his lower leg.

In case he has to go kyujo, Kaisei would pick up consecutive fusensho - 3 fusensho in 8 days!

[Kishinoyama 623]

Harumafuji and his non-henka..... ;-)

Shodai for the Gino-sho if he gets 8 wins?

[Jakusotsu 6,389]

Chiyootori was trying to protest to Kounosuke that Aoiyama didn't have both hands down and seemed to be saying "Matta! Matta!"

Even more funny as it was clearly Chiyootori who jumped from start.

[rhyen 1,858]

Harumafuji and his non-henka..... ;-)

Shodai for the Gino-sho if he gets 8 wins?

Too low, not in joi-in.

[Atenzan 1,084]

Harumafuji and his non-henka..... ;-)

Shodai for the Gino-sho if he gets 8 wins?

Too low, not in joi-in.

You don't necessarily need to be in the jo'i to get the gino-sho. Tochinoshin won it from M4 and only faced 2 yaku-rikishi last basho. Lots of people not in the jo'i, as low as M14 have won the gino-sho (http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=50&b=200601), even if Asashosakari refers to it as the kanto-sho for high-rankers. Though I admit that this is the tendency as of late, you can't discount Shoudai.

[Gurowake 4,149]

Kaisei getting two freebies in one basho. Last time this happened was the 2014 Hatsu basho, Kotoshogiku was the lucky person in that one.

Actually there was someone in the lower divisions that had two fusensho in March this year. As odd as it may seem with there being less matches and not giving a fusen half the time they withdraw (I think?), double-fusensho are about as common in the lower divisions as in the sekitori. Having lots more rikishi probably contributes to this.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_expand=on&group_by=rikishi1&group_by2=basho&having=2&rowcount=2&kimarite=74&onlyw1=on

Note the one previous instance of a triple fusensho basho at the top of that query.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Gurowake

[ALAKTORN 346]

I’ve never seen a rikishi call for a matta like that. That was weird.

[Fatbutnotsumofat 0]

It is really not looking good for Terunofuji, when we think about the quality of his second half opponents. He showed such promising sumo when winning the basho and achieving the ozeki rank.

[bettega 433]

FTW Kaisei! Just 4 more fusensho and he'll get his first KK as Sekiwake

(Laughing...)

[Asojima 2,874]

FTW Kaisei! Just 4 more fusensho and he'll get his first KK as Sekiwake

(Laughing...)

And he can start his fusen Ozeki run!

[Fukurou 534]

FTW Kaisei! Just 4 more fusensho and he'll get his first KK as Sekiwake

(Laughing...)

And he can start his fusen Ozeki run!

Why yes, he did have 33 wins over 3 basho, but 30 of them were fusensho so he must start over again.

[dingo 1,477]

Did anyone else notice Terunofuji grabbing Tochiozan's hair as he was being pushed out? Seemed kinda weird -- an act of desperation? Revenge? Trying to avoid falling off the dohyo at any cost?

[rzombie1988 159]

The field has a shot here. It seems everyone has finally caught on to Hakuho's current style where he lines up for a forearm smash with his right.

NOTE - Harumafuji is at 7-1. He'll pretty much have to take on Terunofuji, Hakuho, Kisenosato and Goeido, leaving him 3 other matchups. Unless they go against the all Yokozuna's and Ozeki's fight each other rule, it may throw a bone at the Takarafuji/Takayasu/Ichinojo group as one of them might slip out without fighting him. This would also help out anyone who is at 2 losses, as it could mean an easier matchup later in the tournament.

Won't happen, but Takarafuji is in a really good position right now. His hard matches are out of the way minus a potential Harumafuji or Terunofuji matchup. This is one of the only good things about being a K or a S - if you survive the first half, your second half is going to be much easier. Say maybe Hak goes to 3 losses and Harumafuji takes another one? You never know.

Takayasu is also in a really good position right now. He'd potentially have a weakened Terunofuji and Harumafuji on his plate. Would be another who needs Hak to go 12-3 to have a true shot.

Ichinojo has a shot as well. Again, he'd pref need Hak to take 3 losses, but he has a good chance of escaping a lot of hard matches due to his rank. I liked seeing him be a bit aggressive today, but we know he will be back up to the stalling in a day or so.

Kisenosato just has to beat Hakuho and he can probably win the tournament. I'd be surprised if he does worse than 12-3. Even if he doesn't beat Hakuho, he might have a prayer, but this is it for his Yokozuna dreams if he doesn't pull this off. It's not going to get more ideal of a situation for him.

Terunofuji is going to be helped by the Kotoshogiku and Kakuryu leaves. He could still take losses to Kisenosato, Harumafuji and Hakuho and still hit 8-7. He's got a 1 loss safety net right now.

We're in for an exciting one. Surely everyone can't blow it, right?

Edited July 16, 2016 by rzombie1988

[rzombie1988 159]

Did anyone else notice Terunofuji grabbing Tochiozan's hair as he was being pushed out? Seemed kinda weird -- an act of desperation? Revenge? Trying to avoid falling off the dohyo at any cost?

Yep, noticed it.

[Nantonoyama 255]

NOTE - Harumafuji is at 7-1. He'll pretty much have to take on Terunofuji, Hakuho, Kisenosato and Goeido, leaving him 3 other matchups. Unless they go against the all Yokozuna's and Ozeki's fight each other rule, it may throw a bone at the Takarafuji/Takayasu/Ichinojo group as one of them might slip out without fighting him. This would also help out anyone who is at 2 losses, as it could mean an easier matchup later in the tournament.

Harumafuji, Terunofuji and Takarafuji are from the same heya, they cannot fight each other unless in a playoff

[Morningstar 118]

The field has a shot here. It seems everyone has finally caught on to Hakuho's current style where he lines up for a forearm smash with his right.

NOTE - Harumafuji is at 7-1. He'll pretty much have to take on Terunofuji, Hakuho, Kisenosato and Goeido, leaving him 3 other matchups. Unless they go against the all Yokozuna's and Ozeki's fight each other rule, it may throw a bone at the Takarafuji/Takayasu/Ichinojo group as one of them might slip out without fighting him. This would also help out anyone who is at 2 losses, as it could mean an easier matchup later in the tournament.

Won't happen, but Takarafuji is in a really good position right now. His hard matches are out of the way minus a potential Harumafuji or Terunofuji matchup. This is one of the only good things about being a K or a S - if you survive the first half, your second half is going to be much easier. Say maybe Hak goes to 3 losses and Harumafuji takes another one? You never know.

Takayasu is also in a really good position right now. He'd potentially have a weakened Terunofuji and Harumafuji on his plate. Would be another who needs Hak to go 12-3 to have a true shot.

Ichinojo has a shot as well. Again, he'd pref need Hak to take 3 losses, but he has a good chance of escaping a lot of hard matches due to his rank. I liked seeing him be a bit aggressive today, but we know he will be back up to the stalling in a day or so.

Kisenosato just has to beat Hakuho and he can probably win the tournament. I'd be surprised if he does worse than 12-3. Even if he doesn't beat Hakuho, he might have a prayer, but this is it for his Yokozuna dreams if he doesn't pull this off. It's not going to get more ideal of a situation for him.

Terunofuji is going to be helped by the Kotoshogiku and Kakuryu leaves. He could still take losses to Kisenosato, Harumafuji and Hakuho and still hit 8-7. He's got a 1 loss safety net right now.

We're in for an exciting one. Surely everyone can't blow it, right?

Harumafuji & Terunofuji are in the same Heya (Isegahama). So they will not be matched with each other.

Edit: Ninja'd by Nantonoyama :-P

Edited July 16, 2016 by Morningstar

[rzombie1988 159]

NOTE - Harumafuji is at 7-1. He'll pretty much have to take on Terunofuji, Hakuho, Kisenosato and Goeido, leaving him 3 other matchups. Unless they go against the all Yokozuna's and Ozeki's fight each other rule, it may throw a bone at the Takarafuji/Takayasu/Ichinojo group as one of them might slip out without fighting him. This would also help out anyone who is at 2 losses, as it could mean an easier matchup later in the tournament.

Harumafuji, Terunofuji and Takarafuji are from the same heya, they cannot fight each other unless in a playoff

Takarafuji has a legit shot then. It's gonna be a stretch, it's going to be highly unlikely, but if he's ever going to pull off something like this, this is it. May even be able to convince someone to throw him a bone.

Edited July 16, 2016 by rzombie1988

[Benihana 1,971]

Did anyone else notice Terunofuji grabbing Tochiozan's hair as he was being pushed out? Seemed kinda weird -- an act of desperation? Revenge? Trying to avoid falling off the dohyo at any cost?

Yep, noticed it.

But it looked quite "gentle" just to avoid falling.

[Asashosakari 20,223]

There's no way the Harumafuji-Takayasu matchup doesn't happen, barring a withdrawal by either of them. Anyway, with Kotoshogiku out Harumafuji only has 7 sanyaku opponents available this basho; Shodai will be his 7th maegashira opponent so he'll need one more. Yoshikaze should be the normal choice as the next-in-line, and his record at 5-2 is adequate for that. I can also imagine that they might scrap the Harumafuji-Kotoyuki sanyaku matchup and give him Ichinojo instead, but on fairness grounds Kotoyuki is probably the better choice as the other main contenders Hakuho and Kisenosato both did get to face (and beat) him.

And Harumafuji is of course at 6-1, not 7-1.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Asashosakari

[Nojo_Jojo 7]

NOTE - Harumafuji is at 7-1. He'll pretty much have to take on Terunofuji, Hakuho, Kisenosato and Goeido, leaving him 3 other matchups. Unless they go against the all Yokozuna's and Ozeki's fight each other rule, it may throw a bone at the Takarafuji/Takayasu/Ichinojo group as one of them might slip out without fighting him. This would also help out anyone who is at 2 losses, as it could mean an easier matchup later in the tournament.

Harumafuji, Terunofuji and Takarafuji are from the same heya, they cannot fight each other unless in a playoff

Terunofuji will definitely benefit from avoiding the two of them. Takarafuji looks to be a man on a mission. With Kakuryu, Kotoshougiku out and Takarafuji and Harumafuji from the same Heya, Teru's only really got Goeido, Hakuho and Kisenosato plus Kaisei and Takayasu left from the sanyaku. Even if he loses 4 of those 5, he's still got a shot at getting his Kachikoshi. He's leaving it awfully close though. I can definitely see at least three more losses from that lot of 5 and after that everything depends on the rank and filers he gets. If he somehow avoids Ichinojo, Shodai and Yoshikaze I can see him getting his kachikoshi.

Other notable guys from the same Heya: Kisenosato and Takayasu; Goeido and Myogiryu; Aoiyama, Tochiozan and Tochinoshin; Kotoyuki and Kotoshougiku

Sad for Kotoyuki as he'll be slightly desperate for a win at this point. The Hoot needs to return! Good for Kisenosato as Takayasu is motoring along very nicely indeed.

[Asashosakari 20,223]

Was just catching up on juryo...on Day 6 in Gagamaru-Homarefuji, Gagamaru was blatantly hovering one fist above ground during his tachiai and the gyoji actually called a matta on it. (This was already the second attempt after a previous false start by Homarefuji.) Next try, same thing again just with the other hand in the air, the gyoji lets it go, and after his one-second pulldown loss Gagamaru sends a pleading look to the head shimpan, seemingly asking why this tachiai of his wasn't called back as well. Somehow I don't think he'd have been concerned with that if his antics had worked...

Edited July 17, 2016 by Asashosakari

[hamcornheinz 839]

Was just catching up on juryo...on Day 6 in Gagamaru-Homarefuji, Gagamaru was blatantly hovering one fist above ground during his tachiai and the gyoji actually called a matta on it. (This was already the second attempt after a previous false start by Homarefuji.) Next try, same thing again just with the other hand in the air, the gyoji lets it go, and after his one-second pulldown loss Gagamaru sends a pleading look to the head shimpan, seemingly asking why this tachiai of his wasn't called back as well. Somehow I don't think he'd have been concerned with that if his antics had worked...

Reminds me of that time back in the day when Andy Rodick called for a hawkeye on his own serve, because he thought it was out.

[Asashosakari 20,223]

Tamaasuka makekoshi in makushita for the first time since Hatsu 2008 after losing in a juryo visit today... Guess we might have seen his last comeback.

[inhashi 2,363]

Satoyama's arm/shoulder looking worrisome after yesterday's match with Ishiura. Looked to still be in pain and took a little time to get up after today's bout with Asabenki :-(

[kuroimori 1,634]

Satoyama's arm/shoulder looking worrisome after yesterday's match with Ishiura. Looked to still be in pain and took a little time to get up after today's bout with Asabenki :-(

Yes, running into a kotenage doesn't really help.