The end?

[Kintamayama 45,974]

17 minutes ago, Reonito said:

This is probably not feasible, but I wonder what it would cost to get the rights to show digests of bouts. I know one of my favorite cycling channels, Lantern Rouge, recently got rights to show footage from major races like the Tour de France. If it wasn't completely exorbitant, we could potentially crowdsource it.

I dont even know who to approach..

[Yamanashi 3,988]

3 hours ago, Reonito said:

This is probably not feasible, but I wonder what it would cost to get the rights to show digests of bouts. I know one of my favorite cycling channels, Lantern Rouge, recently got rights to show footage from major races like the Tour de France. If it wasn't completely exorbitant, we could potentially crowdsource it.

@Kintamayama:

I have no idea at all how to start, however if I wanted to ask someone it would be @Inside Sport Japan (oh, I guess I just did!)

Edited February 5, 2023 by Yamanashi

[Kishinoyama 603]

Jason has started a new channel on youtube. Not sure how long it will stay up. As Kintamayama said, the enemy lurks everywhere. 

[Sumo Spiffy 621]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I just got two copyright strikes of the "soft" kind from the Kyokai on my usual channel, which just means they know I dont own the rights, but I can carry on as usual, like I've had a few times before. The thing is, my channel is offline, I mean private, which I guess means that this doesn't ensure that they won't take me down, even if it's marked private and nobody can access it but me (and them, I guess..).. Looking closely now at the second strike notice that caused this panic in the first place, I see it was issued by the Kyokai (not NHK) for using their channel to translate, from quite a while ago. I am baffled,. So maybe NHK were OK after all?

Both of my strikes were from NHK. I'm pretty sure all of Natto's six/twelve/hundred and twenty strikes have come from NHK, too. Maybe the Kyokai just had a bone to pick with the interviews for some reason, but NHK is definitely chasing this stuff down. 

[ryafuji 823]

2 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Jason has started a new channel on youtube. Not sure how long it will stay up. As Kintamayama said, the enemy lurks everywhere. 

He has said he will no longer show any copyrighted content on his channel. 

[Asapedroryu 239]

3 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Jason has started a new channel on youtube. Not sure how long it will stay up. As Kintamayama said, the enemy lurks everywhere. 

He says on his video that 2 random people have downloaded all his videos before the cut and archived them on some site (link on the description of his video).

Maybe it was done for Kinta’s videos too.

[Kintamayama 45,974]

5 hours ago, Asapedroryu said:

He says on his video that 2 random people have downloaded all his videos before the cut and archived them on some site (link on the description of his video).

Maybe it was done for Kinta’s videos too.

Hopefully, but I highly doubt that..I have everything backed up of course, but not online.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Is it possible to create an FTP site with videos and just share the link with a private group of members?

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Just now, Eikokurai said:

Is it possible to create an FTP site with videos and just share the link with a private group of members?

Or even just a Google drive link. I have a guy who uploads uncensored issues of The Economist (which aren’t sold in China) to a Google drive link and his followers can get them there if they have a VPN (he used to put them in a Chinese cloud server but felt it was too risky).

[sumojoann 1,269]

17 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Is it possible to create an FTP site with videos and just share the link with a private group of members?

I don't know enough to comment on this idea specifically, but I like the idea of setting up some type of private arrangement accessible by members only.  If the NHK (or whoever) doesn't know it exists, they can't destroy it.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

12 hours ago, sumojoann said:

I don't know enough to comment on this idea specifically, but I like the idea of setting up some type of private arrangement accessible by members only.  If the NHK (or whoever) doesn't know it exists, they can't destroy it.

The only question is whether that’s motivating enough for people like Kintamayama to do. Small audience, no likes on YouTube, etc.

[Old Shatterhand is dead 29]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

 Small audience, no likes on YouTube, etc.

Torrent would be better solution like in case of Jason. 
anyhow Moti just made his new video sharing channel on Rumble. As Rumble (beside the registration) needs your telephone number in order to like and comment (no way to give them from my side) he cannot expect too much reaction on his videos on Rumble either.

[Kintamayama 45,974]

On 08/02/2023 at 07:32, Eikokurai said:

The only question is whether that’s motivating enough for people like Kintamayama to do. Small audience, no likes on YouTube, etc.

I'm not motivated by likes -  I'm motivated by viewer  numbers, and on that you are very right. But these days, I'm just happy not to be taken down.

Edited February 9, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,974]

1 hour ago, Old Shatterhand is dead said:

Torrent would be better solution like in case of Jason. 
anyhow Moti just made his new video sharing channel on Rumble. As Rumble (beside the registration) needs your telephone number in order to like and comment (no way to give them from my side) he cannot expect too much reaction on his videos on Rumble either.

not expecting anything. Whoever comes, welcome.

[Old Shatterhand is dead 29]

13 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

not expecting anything. Whoever comes, welcome.

great!

[sumojoann 1,269]

27 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

not expecting anything. Whoever comes, welcome.

I would like to watch your new channel.  How to I access it?  At the beginning of each basho, I would also like to make a donation.  It would be modest but if others contributed, too, hopefully it would send you a message of encouragement.

[Old Shatterhand is dead 29]

56 minutes ago, sumojoann said:

I would like to watch your new channel.  How to I access it?  At the beginning of each basho, I would also like to make a donation.  It would be modest but if others contributed, too, hopefully it would send you a message of encouragement.

Read a little bit back

[Kintamayama 45,974]

I've been asking around lately regarding copyright and stuff, and today someone who actually knows what he's talking about told me that Japan has recently clamped down on illegal downloads and uploads and added some hefty fines and even jail time for copyright offenders in Japan, after passing new laws regarding copyright violations. Three years for downloading, up to ten years for uploading, I hear. So maybe that's the story.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

On 11/02/2023 at 08:16, Kintamayama said:

I've been asking around lately regarding copyright and stuff, and today someone who actually knows what he's talking about told me that Japan has recently clamped down on illegal downloads and uploads and added some hefty fines and even jail time for copyright offenders in Japan, after passing new laws regarding copyright violations. Three years for downloading, up to ten years for uploading, I hear. So maybe that's the story.

https://www.youtube.com/@chrissumo69/community

Chris pretty much implied something similar at NHK as well, and he put out a rather lengthy post today detailing how he thinks fan sumo channels can be run. He sounds like he makes sense, but then the logical extreme of what he writes is that anyone not actually in Japan is more or less precluded from making sumo fan content - which is daft.

[rhyen 1,852]

Let’s see how long this YouTuber video will last.

 

[Kaitetsu 315]

On 16/02/2023 at 03:18, Seiyashi said:

https://www.youtube.com/@chrissumo69/community

Chris pretty much implied something similar at NHK as well, and he put out a rather lengthy post today detailing how he thinks fan sumo channels can be run. He sounds like he makes sense, but then the logical extreme of what he writes is that anyone not actually in Japan is more or less precluded from making sumo fan content - which is daft.

Another follow up to this, he just posted another community post.

TLDR: He is cathartically (in his own words) covering the topic of "going to japan to cover sumo". From what I can understand, people angry at the channel take-downs shouldn't be asking to put the channels back up, but should be thinking of going to japan to become on the ground sumo reporters. Which is a teeny tiny bit hard for most people. From the way he words it,  he went to Japan exclusively to cover live sumo, leaving everything behind to follow on this. and bridge the gap between physical sumo community and online sumo community.

He basically actively views every channel that records and posts the bouts from TV an active competitor to his work. In the comments section of the previous community post, he exchanged some comments with people arguing that both types of channels (his and Jason's, Natto's & Kinta's) have a important place in the online sumo community, with my interpretation of his messages being that our support for those channels only encourage them to stay at home and not fulfill their dreams of meeting wrestlers live and making meaningful connections to wrestlers, so kinda pushing a blame onto online fans. 

So from what I can gather, he just views online fans that do not watch him is a lesser light than his viewers and that anyone not able to leave everything behind and sacrifice everything to cover live sumo, shouldn't be covering it at all.

[Kintamayama 45,974]

1 hour ago, Kaitetsu said:

Another follow up to this, he just posted another community post.

TLDR: He is cathartically (in his own words) covering the topic of "going to japan to cover sumo". From what I can understand, people angry at the channel take-downs shouldn't be asking to put the channels back up, but should be thinking of going to japan to become on the ground sumo reporters. Which is a teeny tiny bit hard for most people. From the way he words it,  he went to Japan exclusively to cover live sumo, leaving everything behind to follow on this. and bridge the gap between physical sumo community and online sumo community.

He basically actively views every channel that records and posts the bouts from TV an active competitor to his work. In the comments section of the previous community post, he exchanged some comments with people arguing that both types of channels (his and Jason's, Natto's & Kinta's) have a important place in the online sumo community, with my interpretation of his messages being that our support for those channels only encourage them to stay at home and not fulfill their dreams of meeting wrestlers live and making meaningful connections to wrestlers, so kinda pushing a blame onto online fans. 

So from what I can gather, he just views online fans that do not watch him is a lesser light than his viewers and that anyone not able to leave everything behind and sacrifice everything to cover live sumo, shouldn't be covering it at all.

Thank you for this. I just told my family, friends, band, and essentially my life, to get along without me. Japan, here I come.

Geez. 

[Fashiritētā 195]

If i claim i’m on excursion to Japan to watch Sumo, will i be able to get free room and board or can we move into a Heya as foreigners.

To me that seems like a lot just to watch the sport i love.

[Yarimotsu 614]

2 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

He basically actively views every channel that records and posts the bouts from TV an active competitor to his work. In the comments section of the previous community post, he exchanged some comments with people arguing that both types of channels (his and Jason's, Natto's & Kinta's) have a important place in the online sumo community, with my interpretation of his messages being that our support for those channels only encourage them to stay at home and not fulfill their dreams of meeting wrestlers live and making meaningful connections to wrestlers, so kinda pushing a blame onto online fans. 

Classic gatekeeping. I'm of the opinion that mostly-legal coverage of the kind Chris tries to provide is important, and I don't think his earlier comments about 'bridging the gap' were entirely amiss. However, we're talking about a sport. A sport grows in interest and importance only when it grows its spectator numbers. Savvy promoters will, in turn, create revenue from those new customers. The traditional attitudes at NSK/NHK have created much more restrictive "build it and they will come" type policies that some like Chris will work within. However, entertainment is in the 21st century and there are thousands of sports and other things competing for viewers. Sumo (for the moment) needs zero-cost exposure if it is to be of any real relevance outside Japan - and those working to Chris' expectations will not ever pursue that market adequately as a result.

Of course if you have a limited-capacity stadium that sells out a lot of the time and you have little interest in generating revenue outside of that physical location, then growing your audience is of little concern. I actually think this short-sighted arrangement suits the NHK a lot better than it suits the NSK.

[Reonito 1,613]

7 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

Another follow up to this, he just posted another community post.

TLDR: He is cathartically (in his own words) covering the topic of "going to japan to cover sumo". From what I can understand, people angry at the channel take-downs shouldn't be asking to put the channels back up, but should be thinking of going to japan to become on the ground sumo reporters. Which is a teeny tiny bit hard for most people. From the way he words it,  he went to Japan exclusively to cover live sumo, leaving everything behind to follow on this. and bridge the gap between physical sumo community and online sumo community.

He basically actively views every channel that records and posts the bouts from TV an active competitor to his work. In the comments section of the previous community post, he exchanged some comments with people arguing that both types of channels (his and Jason's, Natto's & Kinta's) have a important place in the online sumo community, with my interpretation of his messages being that our support for those channels only encourage them to stay at home and not fulfill their dreams of meeting wrestlers live and making meaningful connections to wrestlers, so kinda pushing a blame onto online fans. 

So from what I can gather, he just views online fans that do not watch him is a lesser light than his viewers and that anyone not able to leave everything behind and sacrifice everything to cover live sumo, shouldn't be covering it at all.

Want to follow sumo? Move to Japan! Want to follow the Premier League? Move to England! Want to follow the Tour de France? Move to France! Want to follow Major League Baseball? Move to the US. Want to follow more than one sport?