The end?

[Kintamayama 44,354]

3 hours ago, Asapedroryu said:

Who exactly initiated the strikes? People here are writing it was NSK fault, but isn't NHK and Abema who own the TV rights?

Once you sell your TV rights, you have no authority to claim anything. For example if I put on YouTube a primiership match with Sky TV, only Sky TV can claim anything. The clubs involved and the league cannot claim anything as they don't own the TV footage.

Nhk initiated.  In previous cases they only said it was a copyright violation but they would leave everything as is. Then, the NSK  struck every interview translation I did from their YT channel.

Edited February 2, 2023 by Kintamayama

[junsan 170]

Sad. Maybe do a Part Deux channel and lay off the interview translations for good.

[Asapedroryu 227]

37 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Nhk initiated.  In previous cases they only said it was a copyright violation but they would leave everything as is. Then, the NSK  struck every interview translation I did from their YT channel.

Ok. The NHK ones i understand. They got the rights and do provide a premium service to watch it live and a free service to watch all the matches in english some 7 hours later, so fair enough if they want to go block people. It's within their rights.

NSK doesn't make sense if they only provide it in Japanese.

Shame as I have been watching yours and Jason's channels since you both started posting.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, junsan said:

Sad. Maybe do a Part Deux channel and lay off the interview translations for good.

I haven't translated a video interview in ages. The rest is up for grabs.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Are you able to take clips from Abema instead? What about a Twitch channel? 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Katooshu

[Kishinoyama 582]

34 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

What about a Twitch channel? 

Or Rumble?

[Kintamayama 44,354]

33 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Are you able to take clips from Abema instead? What about a Twitch channel? 

Twitch doesn't let me archive. I really don't like Abema- but I may not have a choice. In any case, I'll have to approach it differently if at all..

[rhyen 1,809]

Fay’s channel is still there atm. 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Upon review and asking around, I'm convinced that with Sumo Prime timer entering the picture, NHK felt there was no need for other channels to basically do what it does. I haven't watched during bashos, but do they show all bouts on SPT, or do thy only do that on their 01:00 digest? In any case, it's no coincidence that this is happening not too long after their channel came into being. I always said I'll quit after they do what I do, so maybe it is time, if they do what I do (meaning showing all bouts). So what am I actually complaining about? Probably because I'll miss doing it.

[Asapedroryu 227]

2 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

 I haven't watched during bashos, but do they show all bouts on SPT, or do thy only do that on their 01:00 digest?

SPT only shows about 5 matches. January they were showing Asanoyama and then the makuuchi leaders. Rest of the show was to promote the Kokugikan to foreign tourists (still interesting to watch, but not really basho related). And they didn't have all days.

[rhyen 1,809]

11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Upon review and asking around, I'm convinced that with Sumo Prime timer entering the picture, NHK felt there was no need for other channels to basically do what it does. I haven't watched during bashos, but do they show all bouts on SPT, or do thy only do that on their 01:00 digest? In any case, it's no coincidence that this is happening not too long after their channel came into being. I always said I'll quit after they do what I do, so maybe it is time, if they do what I do (meaning showing all bouts). So what am I actually complaining about? Probably because I'll miss doing it.

Probably because the free NHK world app has daily sumo highlights digest for Makuuchi bouts? Yet they disappear 2 weeks after the basho.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/program/video/sumo/

[Kintamayama 44,354]

3 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Probably because the free NHK world app has daily sumo highlights digest for Makuuchi bouts? Yet they disappear 2 weeks after the basho.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/program/video/sumo/

They have been having those for quite a while, 7 hours after the day's matches have ended, and as far as i remember, not all bouts were covered.

[SumoLyubo 6]

I thought the NHK World highlight show stays up until the following basho. I've definitely used it to catch up on bashos I've missed.

Edit: ^I don't think they get every top-division bout on every day, though it's better than it used to be (they made the intro sequence shorter, presumably to leave time for more bouts).

Edited February 2, 2023 by SumoLyubo

[Reonito 1,335]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Upon review and asking around, I'm convinced that with Sumo Prime timer entering the picture, NHK felt there was no need for other channels to basically do what it does. I haven't watched during bashos, but do they show all bouts on SPT, or do thy only do that on their 01:00 digest? In any case, it's no coincidence that this is happening not too long after their channel came into being. I always said I'll quit after they do what I do, so maybe it is time, if they do what I do (meaning showing all bouts). So what am I actually complaining about? Probably because I'll miss doing it.

SPT only runs a few times during a basho, not remotely daily coverage, and even then only a few bouts.

[Fashiritētā 169]

Another part of it my wife and i were discussing, it will be easier for the NSK to control what gets put out(bouts with extreme concussion incidents or death) to the western viewers.

I can understand their desire to keep with Japanese traditions, not westerners telling them they treat the rickishi poorly in terms of medical treatment.

I apologize if my comment offends some folks. Just being real.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Fashiritētā

[Sakura 1,472]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Twitch doesn't let me archive. I really don't like Abema- but I may not have a choice. In any case, I'll have to approach it differently if at all..

You can archive on twitch if you flag the whole video as a highlight.

[Yamanashi 3,725]

29 minutes ago, Fashiritētā said:

Another part of it my wife and i were discussing, it will be easier for the NSK to control what gets put out(bouts with extreme concussion incidents or death) to the western viewers.

I can understand their desire to keep with Japanese traditions, not westerners telling them they treat the rickishi poorly in terms of medical treatment.

I apologize if my comment offends some folks. Just being real.

I'm not offended, I just disagree.  It suggests that no one in Japan would be worried about that, but foreigners might spill the beans.

Besides, most of the people who have been banished from their videos are actual fans of Sumo, and they don't tend to devote much time to muck-raking (well, except for you-know-who).

At the level of international news, this stuff doesn't matter, partly because the "elite" media write surprisingly inept and ignorant stories about the sport; since their readership is even more ignorant, there are no repercussions for sloppy, lazy writing.  Not many follow-ups on the Hibikiryu death, for instance; aren't they interested in whether changes were made?

When @Gaijingai posts a "new" foreign story on "the dark, deep, mysterious scary world of Sumo", you can pull out your bingo card and mark off rikishi beaten to death (2007), match-fixing (2012), why aren't women allowed on the dohyo (2005 - ).  The announcer intones, "with their 50,000 calorie a day intake, and the constant beatings with fists and chopsticks, is it any wonder that ex-sumos die younger than the general population?", and all I can say is "Bingo!"

My point (and I have one!) is that western media isn't combing over Sandanme bouts on Abema looking for suspicious activity (that's you-know-who's job).  The real story is that the NSK is about to kill the foreign audience that has been growing slowly and steadily for 10-20 years (no thanks to the NSK, but thanks to Kintamayama and the other creators who are doing it for almost nothing).

 

[Sumo Spiffy 535]

@Kintamayama You mentioned in your video that this should be covered under fair use. Considering the videos that were struck were interview translations, and translations of literary works, at least, are considered "transformative" (and thus protected under fair use), it seems like you might have an argument. Did you try making a claim to YouTube pointing out that there's a reasonable argument for your translations to be considered fair use? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't, considering some people have recently had even more of a hassle asking YouTube for help than they likely would have had just letting something go, but I was curious.

[Katooshu 3,135]

The problem is that YouTube gives people way too much power to terrorize channels with these sorts of claims and when they do respond it often takes a while.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Katooshu

[Tochinofuji 372]

Just now, Sumo Spiffy said:

@Kintamayama You mentioned in your video that this should be covered under fair use. Considering the videos that were struck were interview translations, and translations of literary works, at least, are considered "transformative" (and thus protected under fair use), it seems like you might have an argument. Did you try making a claim to YouTube pointing out that there's a reasonable argument for your translations to be considered fair use? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't, considering some people have recently had even more of a hassle asking YouTube for help than they likely would have had just letting something go, but I was curious.

One possible wrinkle to remember with fair use: copying all or substantially all of a work, even transformatively, often is not considered to constitute "fair" use. So while the process was transformative and not for monetary gain, if you've copied the full interview you aren't likely to be successful. 

[Tochinofuji 372]

On 01/02/2023 at 03:08, Kintamayama said:

Announcement proclamation sadness:

 

Can't say enough how much of a shame this is. You've truly kept me going since I started out watching the sport, and I can't thank you enough for all you've done. I'm hoping we'll be able to find a way for you to continue, as even when there are other options, your presence and humour are irreplaceable. 

[SumoLyubo 6]

Also on the fair use discussion, the DMCA law gives organizations like Youtube no incentive to go to bat for uploaders if a video alleged to violate copyright might be fair use (I believe the way it works is that if they don't take down the marked content, the platform will also be liable for the copyright violation, not only the uploader. Happy to be corrected if anyone here knows more).

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

@Kintamayama You mentioned in your video that this should be covered under fair use. Considering the videos that were struck were interview translations, and translations of literary works, at least, are considered "transformative" (and thus protected under fair use), it seems like you might have an argument. Did you try making a claim to YouTube pointing out that there's a reasonable argument for your translations to be considered fair use? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't, considering some people have recently had even more of a hassle asking YouTube for help than they likely would have had just letting something go, but I was curious.

I didn’t contest, as it’s pointless. I have never heard of anybody getting his channel back after it was deleted. The channel was there for 11 years. Nothing has changed content wise. So it was ok till a week ago and suddenly I’m a pirate? Everybody knew about my channel. It didn’t exist on the dark web. It was there in plain sight. 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

The problem is that YouTube gives people way to much power to terrorize channels with these sorts of claims and when they do respond it often takes a while.

I’m pretty sure a few interested parties complained about my channel in the past, to no avail. But when bodies like NHK and the Kyokai issue simultaneous claims we mortals have no chance.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

...and by closing down the whole channel, all of your non-sumo related content (live gigs etc.) vanished as well.

It's a fickle mistress, this newfangled internet thingy.