Sumo Spiffy 535 Posted February 19, 2023 Yeah, I read his post and was nodding along for a while, until the part about moving to Japan... my dude, you say yourself that this has been your dream since you were four. I can't go back in time and make my child self fall in love with the sport. The insane amount of time people spend on activities surrounding the sport—he talks about his video competition, but the people who run the most complicated fantasy games I've ever seen definitely spend more hours on that than some content creators on YouTube—is still only a fraction of what it would take to go to Japan and become more actively involved in any way, much less to the extent that he meets people, builds relationships, etc. It might be viable for some of us to take a trip, but that doesn't change anything in terms of bridging the gap between the international community and NHK/NSK. I think he's right that the relationship doesn't have to be adversarial. But it's not the people on this side of the gap making it adversarial. His own examples are of people who are either unaware or unconcerned that an overseas fan base exists. He says that's the gap that needs bridging; I'm genuinely very happy for any ground he can cover in that regard, but I don't know what he hopes or expects anyone not physically there to do. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted February 19, 2023 7 hours ago, Reonito said: Want to follow sumo? Move to Japan! Want to follow the Premier League? Move to England! Want to follow the Tour de France? Move to France! Want to follow Major League Baseball? Move to the US. Want to follow more than one sport? Clone yourself, the tech's been around since 1993! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
code_number3 694 Posted February 19, 2023 In my opinion, Chris has become cringer since Shobushi's death. I personally skip his opinion since that 15 hours ago, Kintamayama said: Thank you for this. I just told my family, friends, band, and essentially my life, to get along without me. Japan, here I come. Geez. We're looking forward for Streaming series 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,132 Posted February 19, 2023 I don't know how to put this, but Chris is kind of a big deal..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kujo 116 Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Katooshu said: I don't know how to put this, but Chris is kind of a big deal..... Well his last name IS "Sumo" How can you get any bigger? Edited February 19, 2023 by Kujo 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Katooshu said: I don't know how to put this, but Chris is kind of a big deal..... How so, from a not-Chris perspective? I don't see a reason to disbelieve what he says about being known to the sumo powers that be, but it's still nice to know from another perspective. 4 hours ago, code_number3 said: In my opinion, Chris has become cringer since Shobushi's death. I personally skip his opinion since that His opinions might be hot takes, but you've still got to respect the effort he takes for groundwork (including some of his mad city sprinting to catch rikishi at setsubun a few years ago). And if we take him at face value (and I see no reason not to), being known by the sumo powers (and they being more aware of international sumo fans as a result) can only be a good thing at this stage too. I read a bit of vindictiveness/vindication in his whole "move to Japan" spiel response, which I agree is terribly privileged, but one can perhaps forgive a bit of gloating given his genuinely wide-ranging coverage. (The quality of his editorialising, of course, is always another matter.) 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumojoann 1,256 Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Katooshu said: I don't know how to put this, but Chris is kind of a big deal..... He certainly is a legend in his own mind. 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 455 Posted February 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, Kujo said: "Sumo" Ozumo? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaitetsu 277 Posted February 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, Seiyashi said: His opinions might be hot takes, but you've still got to respect the effort he takes for groundwork. I fully agree. His groundwork and exposure he gives us fans to the sumo world and the sumo world about international fans is invaluable. But what I think rubs people the wrong way with him is that he fully antagonizes and refuses to accept any other type of coverage. Its not that he would need to fully endorse it, by any means, but its not like the other channels seek this competition, its always mostly him making the jabs. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,132 Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) He's not a big deal, his attitude just reminded me of this: Edited February 19, 2023 by Katooshu 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakuhonofan 334 Posted February 19, 2023 Idk. I kind of having "holier than thou" vibe from Chris' last post. Sad, bc I liked his earlier vlogs. Now, it somewhat reminds me of that Buckton's prattles. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 535 Posted February 19, 2023 The vibe I feel most when Chris references his own work or, like now, discusses what steps everyone "should" take, is that of a person who has incredible hustle, but who has forgotten what everyone else is reasonably capable of. Even if he's not expecting anyone else to go to the lengths he does to boost and cover the sport, it's like he's hoping other people can do one-quarter what he does and losing sight of the fact almost none of us can do any of it. He mentions Hiro looking for feedback from foreign fans, and that's great, but if that's the only point of outreach, how do we bridge the gap? This might be one of the biggest dilemmas surrounding the decision to kick rikishi off social media, at least for us—it's one of the few potential methods of communication between the athletes and the international community. Without it, everything has to go through the old decision-makers, and the fewer points of contact there are to the sport, the fewer ways we have to make our interest known (and that's besides the question of who cares about our interest). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,376 Posted February 19, 2023 I would much rather have Chris posting his stuff, with all his pomposity and self-righteousness, than live in a Chris-less world. No-one does what he does and we should be grateful for that. His endless torture of English grammar, is however, unforgivable. And never can that forgotten be... 3 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morningstar 118 Posted February 20, 2023 The only Sumo I watched was Kintamayama's stuff because it felt the most like news reporting with highlights, was short and to the point, and keep a lot of unneeded drama out of things. So, I have next to no experience with other channels. Kintamayama's videos would have been covered under fair use here in the US, as they were short exerts of the larger whole (short highlights of the important parts of the match), added new information/were transformative (with his stats and other added info), covered topics of public concern (sporting results), and do not impact the commercial value of the original. Sadly, Youtube has their own policy that is far stricter than the law requires. Some of the other channels that posted the whole top division matches with a little voice over to rant about whatever they feel like are on far shakier grounds. If I was practicing law in the IP realm (I do not, and none of this is legal advice), I'd think it would be very hard for them to win against someone posting a ~15 min highlight reel with some added reporting than someone posting all 3+ hours of the top division. Anyway, back to work studying for by Bar Exam. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hakuhonofan said: Idk. I kind of having "holier than thou" vibe from Chris' last post. Sad, bc I liked his earlier vlogs. Now, it somewhat reminds me of that Buckton's prattles. Yeah, it's similar in a way. "Hustle" was mentioned above, and Buckton had that going as well, but both did/do it in ways that simply rub people the wrong way. Buckton tried to "get in" essentially by antagonizing those who were already there - IIRC the late Doreen Simmons outright alleged that he tried to convince some of her freelance employers to give her jobs to him instead. Gould can't do that because his (real or imagined) competition is online and working for free, so what we keep getting is catty remarks implying that he's not only the best thing since sliced bread, but the only type of bread that even ought to be relevant. It's not just gate-keeping, it's an active attempt to foster an audience that shares his view of other types of coverage as inferior rather than complementary. (Which I don't think has worked at all even after he's been at it for at least two years now, but that's a different matter.) I doubt he seriously expects anyone to move to Japan; exhorting people to do that is just part of the self-promotion shtick to highlight the supposed gulf between himself and "others". Edited February 20, 2023 by Asashosakari 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Morningstar said: The only Sumo I watched was Kintamayama's stuff because it felt the most like news reporting with highlights, was short and to the point, and keep a lot of unneeded drama out of things. So, I have next to no experience with other channels. Kintamayama's videos would have been covered under fair use here in the US, as they were short exerts of the larger whole (short highlights of the important parts of the match), added new information/were transformative (with his stats and other added info), covered topics of public concern (sporting results), and do not impact the commercial value of the original. Sadly, Youtube has their own policy that is far stricter than the law requires. Some of the other channels that posted the whole top division matches with a little voice over to rant about whatever they feel like are on far shakier grounds. If I was practicing law in the IP realm (I do not, and none of this is legal advice), I'd think it would be very hard for them to win against someone posting a ~15 min highlight reel with some added reporting than someone posting all 3+ hours of the top division. Anyway, back to work studying for by Bar Exam. At the risk of talking shop, there is no incentive for YT or third party hosting sites to stand up for individuals. They are exposing themselves to liability and heavy penalties if they get a copyright call wrong against the interests of content rightsholders, and not rewarded for making correct free use assessments. And while the counternotice procedure exists in theory, in practice that is very underused, a situation that isn't helped by the use of automation in determining what is or is not a copyright violation, as well as in processing copyright notices. As for news and sporting results: the actual result isn't copyrighted. The presentation of it can be. So it's not so clear cut that just because Kinta is reporting the result, adding commentary, and remixing videos, it automatically falls under free use. It feels much more analogous to the hip hop sampling situation rather than a pure reporting of sporting results. It's a pity VPNs and geofencing have a very bad rap amongst content providers for enabling piracy, or else that could have been an acceptable middle ground for our particular situation: enable fan content for international audiences while restricting their access from Japan. As it is, as pointed out where there is a limited capacity Kokugikan and not much room for growth that can be added by/attributed to foreign fans, it's no surprise that the NHK and NSK being stuck in backwards modes of media broadcasting would take these steps. One can only hope the newer generations of oyakata like Miyagino and the future Isegahama are more enlightened, but we're in for the long haul (i.e. at least beyond Hakkaku's term) here. Edited February 20, 2023 by Seiyashi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted February 20, 2023 On 19/02/2023 at 05:54, Reonito said: Want to follow sumo? Move to Japan! Want to follow the Premier League? Move to England! Want to follow the Tour de France? Move to France! Want to follow Major League Baseball? Move to the US. Want to follow more than one sport? I’ve worked around this by following online chess. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junsan 170 Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) What a simp. Despite my love of it, I'd do like 20 other things before Sumo when visiting Japan. The guy is too sanctimonious for me to derive any real joy from his videos. In fact, it spoils the Sumo for me. No thanks. Edited February 20, 2023 by junsan 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,755 Posted March 12, 2023 Nattosumo3 now, and our goldman now with 2, good luck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,346 Posted March 28, 2023 The end as we know it. Tomorrow is a new day.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Athenayama 953 Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Kintamayama said: The end as we know it. Tomorrow is a new day.. What? They blocked you again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,346 Posted March 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, Athenayama said: What? They blocked you again? Nope. This time they closed me down for good. I was being careless but knew the consequences.. Devastated, yet optimistic. 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Athenayama 953 Posted March 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: Nope. This time they closed me down for good. I was being careless but knew the consequences.. Devastated, yet optimistic. They should be cursed for a hundred generations! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,346 Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Athenayama said: They should be cursed for a hundred generations! They are doing their job. They just don't see the big picture. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Athenayama 953 Posted March 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: They are doing their job. They just don't see the big picture. Exactly. That' why it's so sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
