Rocks 1,810 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Friggin' Aoiyama and Kaisei. Floppin' around like beach whales. SHITatedashinage is the right word for what happened to Kaisei. Edited January 17, 2017 by Rocks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted January 17, 2017 I wonder what Terunofuji was shaking his head about just before taichi-ai. Let's make sure my head's attached so I'll know if it's gone after the match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,810 Posted January 17, 2017 The kinboshi train keeps rolling. Kakuryu is in real trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,474 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, hamcornheinz said: I don't really buy the "Kisenosato chokes" narrative, he still has a losing record against the majority of the top dogs, certainly a large enough number to account for him not having any championships. By top dogs do you just mean Hak and Harmafuji? He has winning records against Kak, Goeido, Terunofuji, and all the high maegashira/lower sanyaku guys like Tochiozan, Tochinoshin, Myogiru, Okinoumi, Takarafuji, Yoshikaze, and Ikio. He does have a losing record against Kotoshogiku, but is 17-9 in head to heads since beoming ozeki He's certainly perforned better overall than the other ozeki, and Kak also has losing records against Hak and Harmafuji (Kise has better records against both), while being just one win ahead of Myogiru and Tochiozan. Edited January 17, 2017 by Katooshu 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,518 Posted January 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Wakaebala said: After I saw the match between Kisenosato and Kotoshogiku, I thought: "It's time to find a good therapist, Kisenosato!" I'm not sure why he clinches at almost every one of his career's most important bouts, but I'm certain, that it's something in his head. Usually he looks very calm, and focused. But then these matches come... It would be an interesting idea for him. I'm not sure if any rikishi receive mental help from professionals, but in Kisenosato's case, it would be advised. Does anyone know about therapists connected to any heya? I have been advocating this for Kise for years:). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,518 Posted January 17, 2017 36 minutes ago, Katooshu said: By top dogs do you just mean Hak and Harmafuji? He has winning records against Kak, Goeido, Terunofuji, and all the high maegashira/lower sanyaku guys like Tochiozan, Tochinoshin, Myogiru, Okinoumi, Takarafuji, Yoshikaze, and Ikio. He does have a losing record against Kotoshogiku, but is 17-9 in head to heads since beoming ozeki He's certainly perforned better overall than the other ozeki, and Kak also has losing records against Hak and Harmafuji (Kise has better records against both), while being just one win ahead of Myogiru and Tochiozan. Kise has a fabulous record and can mix it with the best. The reason he doesn't have a yusho is all in his head. He is the classic definition of a choker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,518 Posted January 17, 2017 I know everyone says Elvis is dead but i'm pretty sure he was front row at the KK today... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,373 Posted January 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Rocks said: The kinboshi train keeps rolling. Kakuryu is in real trouble. Trouble, yes, but the kinboshi train didn't even depart today. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwale 419 Posted January 17, 2017 44 minutes ago, Morty said: I have been advocating this for Kise for years:). Needs a good hypnotist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwale 419 Posted January 17, 2017 Well, that was fun. Favorite bout of the day was, of course, Mitakeumi v. Shodai. Figured Mitakeumi was going to win, but it easily could have gone the other way. Kakuryu's gonna be forced to retire if he keeps this up, ne? Kaisei just kinda crumpling again, third time this basho if memory serves. Hmm... Chiyoshoma: Karma's a *****, huh? XP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungSumo 93 Posted January 17, 2017 Kotoshogiku one win away from demotion. Wonder if he'll try to get back to Ozeki next basho or just retire straight away. Kakuryu's retirement is also looking closer than ever, I can imagine the YDC wanting both him and Harumafuji to impress next basho or else retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,810 Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said: Trouble, yes, but the kinboshi train didn't even depart today. I forgot Tamawashi is Sekiwake. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,759 Posted January 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, YoungSumo said: Kotoshogiku one win away from demotion. Wonder if he'll try to get back to Ozeki next basho or just retire straight away. Geek's oyakata has stated that he won't retire if he falls from Ozeki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 824 Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Dwale said: Kakuryu's gonna be forced to retire if he keeps this up, ne? 1 hour ago, YoungSumo said: Kakuryu's retirement is also looking closer than ever, I can imagine the YDC wanting both him and Harumafuji to impress next basho or else retire. Can I just remind everyone that Kakuryu won the previous tournament with a 14-1 record? He is allowed an off basho - he can always blame it on a vague injury and withdraw if he wants to. He won't be under any immediate pressure to retire. 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwale 419 Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, ryafuji said: Can I just remind everyone that Kakuryu won the previous tournament with a 14-1 record? He is allowed an off basho - he can always blame it on a vague injury and withdraw if he wants to. He won't be under any immediate pressure to retire. That's specifically what I was wondering. Usually they withdraw before this point. I think he might need to, this is getting to be embarrassing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,473 Posted January 17, 2017 I'm still wondering the same as when Kakuryuu first started losing - is he injured? That all can't be just blamed on post-yusho hangover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 978 Posted January 17, 2017 I will believe in Kak's Intai theory if Kak gets make-koshi in this basho and the next (and even possibly a kyujo in between). It is too early for Kak's Intai unless he wants to retire. But .... this basho showed that all these Ys and Os are getting old (off their prime) and this could be the start of changing of the guards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,810 Posted January 17, 2017 Win or no win last basho, if Kak MKs here and doesn't get at least 10 wins in March the pressure will be huge to retire. Really huge. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungSumo 93 Posted January 17, 2017 Yokozunae are held to high standards. If Harumafuji was being talked about by the YDC of maybe having to retire then I'm sure Kak will have to perform again at a satisfactory level next basho. Especially if he fails to get 8 wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,810 Posted January 17, 2017 Today is huge for Kak. I fully expect him to beat Giku but should he lose I expect him to go kyujo. There is no way Kak is going 3-1 against Hak, Kise, Goeido and Terunofuji this basho. I'm kinda surprised Kak has not started talking about some injury already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted January 17, 2017 If Kak is injured he should have pulled out of the tournament... like 3 days ago. I know I'm used to the dai-yokozuna period and I'm not used to seeing this but really... this reminds me of Asahifuji. 14-1 yusho, 8-7, 2-4-9, basho off, comes back and has 3 losses in a row, intai... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 236 Posted January 17, 2017 4 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: Geek's oyakata has stated that he won't retire if he falls from Ozeki. We'll see him in March but probably not in May. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,810 Posted January 17, 2017 You never know. He could get 10 wins in March. There's a good chance both Kakuryu and Harumafuji go kyujo for March. And as Sekiwake he'll have more bouts against lower rankers I think. Giku might squeak out a 10 win in March. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 2,047 Posted January 17, 2017 Has Kak's back gone again? He had nothing against Tamawashi today. I had the misfortune to watch Onokuni record the 1st yokozuna MK way back when, and I don't really want to see the 3rd. I hope he pulls out. Is Kise teasing us again? I'm rooting, but still 5 days to go... I'm glad I've never been a nail-biter! Ishiura made me laugh. Not the henka, but the rapid change from rushing in to finish the job to making sure Chiyoshoma didn't fly too far! Poor old Geek. I just checked his record and he hasn't had 10 or more wins very often at all, has he? He won't have that much of an easier slate as a sekiwake in March either. He'll face everyone above him and possibly 2 other sekiwake, as both Tamawashi and Shodai could well record KK and keep their rank. Even if Hara and Kak go kyujo, it's that much 'easier' for everyone bar Terunofuji and Takarafuji. And thinking about heya mates, it's just occurred to me that the advantage shared by the Isegahama guys at the top of makuuchi is a disadvantage for the bunch of Kokonoe boys at the bottom, isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 978 Posted January 17, 2017 I am glad that Ishiura (4-6) is doing OK at M9w. He can go 5-6 against with a win against Daishomaru who is also 4-6. The other little guy, aka Takakeisho, is also 4-6 but likely go to 4-7 against Sokokurai who is looking like a joi in this basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
