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[Akinomaki 39,479]

2 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

The way they've written it; does it sound like his plan is to have his own heya, or is this just conjecture?

He already has his own heya - without deshi, but the premises of the old Hatachiyama-beya, with dohyo. He only has to wait a year before he can become independant - and has to scout as few uchi-deshi as attached oyakata in Tokiwayama-beya.

[Yamanashi 3,669]

3 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Oddly, though, I don't mind Mitakeumi and Shodai hanging around.

In the case of Mitakeumi, 29 basho in San'yaku and 3 Yusho as Sekiwake are pretty good credentials.  He obviously had some injury or malady that he's still dealing with.

Shodai's path more resembles Tochinoshin (without the big fall due to the knee injury): mumbling around in mid-Maegashira for two years before suddenly "catching fire" (from M10 -- a five-basho run with 1 Yusho, 2 Jun-Yusho and 5 special prizes).  He did manage to stay at Ozeki for 13 basho, but his record since his Ozeki elevation looks identical to the mumbling years.

As far as hanging around goes, I'm glad they're still in Makuuchi.  I still like Mitakeumi, and Shodai is if nothing else entertaining.

[Koorifuu 858]

Mitakeumi reminds me a lot of post-ozeki Kotoshogiku. He does his best to stick to his traditional style despite lacking the oomph that gave it an edge against 90% of the opposition, so it doesn't usually work - some opponents are caught unaware here and there, though. But there's some wile and wits in them, previously seldom seen, that sees them win enough bouts to stay around the place.

And honestly, Mitakeumi's level as an ozeki was already miles away from the level he showed for plenty of years before that dooming promotion. Whatever happened roughly two years ago was decimating.

[MrGrumpyGills 114]

On 01/08/2024 at 13:37, RabidJohn said:

I know what you mean. Goeido went up in my estimations simply because of the way he called time on his career.

Oddly, though, I don't mind Mitakeumi and Shodai hanging around.

I agree with both sentiments!

[MrGrumpyGills 114]

(double post)

Edited August 4 by MrGrumpyGills

[aderechelsea 124]

I remember be thinking what a yokozuna Mita will make when his run brings him there.

A sekiwake with 3 yushos ... one third of the yushos yokozunas are ending their careers with ...

But then he became Ozeki. You have seen the rest.

I can imagine him being a good coach though. He looks like he knows his shit in the dohyo even though he is not doing it anymore.

[RabidJohn 1,628]

2 hours ago, aderechelsea said:

I remember be thinking what a yokozuna Mita will make when his run brings him there.

I was an unashamed Mitakeumi fan, but I don't recall ever getting that carried away!
Whenever I even wondered if he could go so far, I remembered that he's an ex-collegiate MSTD, and they just don't...

I was an unashamed Asanoyama fan, too, and I believed he could get the rope. Wajima's Jinx operated in a wacky way there, but it worked.

Getting really OT now, but I'm waiting to see how Onosato falls victim...

2 hours ago, aderechelsea said:

But then he became Ozeki. You have seen the rest.

I hope he eventually reveals what actually went wrong.

[Katooshu 3,079]

Not to go too off topic, but Asahifuji competed at Kinki university, so it's arguably 2 yokozuna. Not sure why he doesn't get considered as coming from a college background. The likes of Miyabiyama, Midorifuji, and Nishikifuji didn't graduate either yet are still considered as collegiate rikishi. Maybe because he had a small break between dropping out and starting ozumo, rather than entering immediately. 

Edited August 5 by Katooshu

[RabidJohn 1,628]

4 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Not to go too off topic, but Asahifuji competed at Kinki university, so it's arguably 2 yokozuna. Not sure why he doesn't get considered as coming from a college background. The likes of Miyabiyama, Midorifuji, and Nishikifuji didn't graduate either yet are still considered as collegiate rikishi. Maybe because he had a small break between dropping out and starting ozumo, rather than entering immediately. 

Maybe because Asahifuji was a drop-out who started in maezumo. That's the first I've heard of Midorifuji and Nishikifuji being considered collegiate. They shouldn't be, purely for consistency's sake, as they're also drop-outs who started in maezumo.

Miyabiyama was a drop-out, too, but he joined ozumo promptly enough for his amateur titles to qualify for Ms60TD, so he's a fair target.

Also fair targets are those like Enho and Shodai, who actually graduated before starting in maezumo.

[Akinomaki 39,479]

2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Maybe because Asahifuji was a drop-out who started in maezumo. That's the first I've heard of Midorifuji and Nishikifuji being considered collegiate. They shouldn't be, purely for consistency's sake, as they're also drop-outs who started in maezumo.

Miyabiyama was a drop-out, too, but he joined ozumo promptly enough for his amateur titles to qualify for Ms60TD, so he's a fair target.

Also fair targets are those like Enho and Shodai, who actually graduated before starting in maezumo.

Graduation is not that important, what should count is participation in tournaments of importance during the time at the university sumo club. I guess Asahifuji wasn't even at the national newcomer tournament. Had he won at a national event in first year, like sumo traitor Hanada, he would be considered to be a rikishi from university background. And Asahifuji actually graduated from university later and regularly is at the OB meetings of the sumo club.

[Chiyozakura 128]

If I remember correctly Asahifuji joined the sumo club at Kinki university and quickly left because he did not like the way he was treated as a newcomer. He quit university completely and became a fisherman until ex-Asahikuni persuaded him to join his stable. The condition was that Asahifuji would be tsukebito only to the stablemaster. As he never competed in university sumo he is not considered to have a college sumo background.

[dingo 1,100]

Interestingly Asahifuji's English Wikipedia page claims that he participated in the West Japan Student Newcomers tournament, even referencing a book but I didn't see any mention of that fact on the Japanese page. 

[Katooshu 3,079]

He dropped out of Kinki in his 2nd year, so it makes sense that at minimum he would've competed in the rookie tournament, which all first years can enter.

I think if a rikishi competed in college sumo, they should be regarded as having  a college sumo background. 

Edited August 5 by Katooshu

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On 30/07/2024 at 18:01, Akinomaki said:

Tabloid Asahi Geinou also reports that Takakeisho has obtained Minatogawa, has plenty of rich tanimachi to sponsor his future heya - and will retire, if he fails to get 10 next basho https://www.asagei.com/excerpt/315530

I haven't read SF for a while. I still remember how livid Chris Gould was in January 2019, when Takakeisho reached 33 wins but was not promoted to Ozeki at that time.