Akinomaki 39,583 Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) On 20/09/2018 at 07:24, Akinomaki said: Takanohana-beya is not remaining? Apparently it is not remaining - and one ichidai toshiyori kabu disappears The discussion will take place here: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/38257-takanohana-resigns/ Edited September 25, 2018 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,886 Posted September 25, 2018 I don't want to start a new thread for this, but since you mentioned ichidai toshiyori, I'm reminded of a question I had about them: Was the idea of them formed into existence before Taiho? If not, how did they come to the conclusion that a new type of kabu should be created for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,886 Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Akinomaki said: Apparently it is not remaining - and one ichidai toshiyori kabu disappears The only one that was still in existence. All 3 that have been created were oyakata at the same time for a couple years right after Takanohana retired; now all 3 have left the Kyokai before another one was created. Edited September 25, 2018 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,624 Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Gurowake said: The only one that was still in existence. All 3 that have been created were oyakata at the same time for a couple years right after Takanohana retired; now all 3 have left the Kyokai before another one was created. Kitanoumi passed away, he did not leave the association Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,583 Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Lust like I simply phrased it "one ... disappeared", not emphasizing that there was only one, in the mood of "this is one big thing", Gurowake used the phrase "left" the give the thing more drama - but a kabu is not the person Edited September 26, 2018 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,583 Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) The NSK yesterday felt the necessity to justify (and explain?) the new duty to join an ichimon, they hadn't made an announcement about it so far. It is based on the now omnipresent compliance and governance philosophy. It was confirmed that there was no dispute yet about penalties for oyakata who don't comply and join, and there is no restriction to state the own opinion. The NSK subsidizes the heya according to ichimon and it was judged to be difficult to make the payments to independent heya transparent. The rule is also there to improve the functions of the ichimon as an institution to bundle the heya, and is meant to strengthen the organization in respect to solving the present problems of violence etc. https://this.kiji.is/417350037824701537?c=39546741839462401 Edited September 26, 2018 by Akinomaki 1 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,583 Posted October 1, 2018 With the rijikai decision today, as of Oct. 1st, Takanohana-beya disappears and the Takanohana kabu vanishes. https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2018/10/01/0011693109.shtml 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,583 Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) Satoyama retired after his day 13 bout (4-3 finish as ms9) and becomes Sanoyama-oyakata (owned by Chiyootori). NHK announced that the intai press conference will be on senshuraku. Edited November 23, 2018 by Akinomaki 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,818 Posted November 23, 2018 Very neat name change. (As far as Roman characters are concerned) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) I'm sorry to see him leave. I always liked him for his sense of humour and being able to survive so long in the paid ranks as a smaller rikishi. Perhaps he decided that he didn't want to be chewed up by the Makushita joi again after his KK. Edited November 23, 2018 by orandashoho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 726 Posted November 23, 2018 He went out on a positive note with a kachikoshi, better than most wrestlers I’ve followed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,672 Posted November 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Akinomaki said: Satoyama retired after his day 13 bout (4-3 finish as ms9) and becomes Sanoyama-oyakata (owned by Chiyootori). Didn't expect anyone would dare to take a seat on that particular timebomb - Chiyootori hasn't exactly been storming back up to sekitori status. I hope Satoyama already has a backup plan in mind... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,690 Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: Didn't expect anyone would dare to take a seat on that particular timebomb - Chiyootori hasn't exactly been storming back up to sekitori status. I hope Satoyama already has a backup plan in mind... I wonder, is Chiyootori planning to coach at Kokonoe stable, or does he want to start his own heya? Chiyotaikai is only 42, and I assume not going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) I didn't realize, until now, that Endo owned the Kitajin kabu. He got it in May, right after being promoted to Komusubi. It was reported here in May. Any news on the Ikioi to get Kasugayama Kabu? Edited November 23, 2018 by Bumpkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,672 Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Yamanashi said: I wonder, is Chiyootori planning to coach at Kokonoe stable, or does he want to start his own heya? Chiyotaikai is only 42, and I assume not going anywhere. Chiyootori's not anywhere close to eligibility for opening up a new stable (60 makuuchi tournaments or 25 in sanyaku). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,506 Posted November 28, 2018 On 23/11/2018 at 21:31, Bumpkin said: Any news on the Ikioi to get Kasugayama Kabu? I forgot to mention, there's a line in the Kyokai's business report for last year, he acquired the myoseki as of March 24th 2017. 平成29年3月24日 年寄名跡春日山を勢こと東口翔太が継承すること 2 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,275 Posted November 29, 2018 In case it wasn't clear, Tatsunami beya is joining the Dewanoumi Ichimon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,583 Posted November 30, 2018 On 21/09/2018 at 17:40, Kintamayama said: Nishonoseki Ichimon has accepted the following oyakata (and their heyas, if they own one) into its benevolent fold: Ounomatsu, Shikoroyama, Chiganoura, Ootake, Minato,and Tatsutagawa. The article says there are nine Oyakatas joining but mentions only six by name (I'm guessing the others are attached Oyakata Shiranui, Otowayama and Tokiwayama). Nishonoseki Ichimon now numbers close to 30 oyakata, closing in on Dewanoumi Ichimon. The NSK acknowledged on the 29th that the 9 oyakata join Nishonoseki-ichimon - and Tatsunami Dewanoumi-ichimon. The ichimon-kai had accepted the new members in September, the NSK had decided in July that every heya has to be in an ichimon. http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXLSSXK40655_Z21C18A1000000/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 806 Posted January 17, 2019 I was wondering what rank Araiso Oyakata will be. As an ex-yokozuna he won't be a lowly toshiyori, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, ryafuji said: I was wondering what rank Araiso Oyakata will be. As an ex-yokozuna he won't be a lowly toshiyori, right? I'm no expert here, but I think part of the ranking system has to do with seniority as an oyakata. Perhaps an iin-taigu toshiyori? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 806 Posted January 18, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 13:46, Atenzan said: I'm no expert here, but I think part of the ranking system has to do with seniority as an oyakata. Perhaps an iin-taigu toshiyori? Perhaps - I wasn't sure if that applied only to yokozuna or ozeki who are staying temporarily under their shikona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,900 Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ryafuji said: Perhaps - I wasn't sure if that applied only to yokozuna or ozeki who are staying temporarily under their shikona. Elders using a borrowed share cannot be promoted from toshiyori, while very successful former wrestlers (generally, yokozuna and ōzeki) immediately receive full iin privileges as iin taigu toshiyori upon their retirement from active competition, even before their normal advancement up the ladder will take them to shunin and later iin status. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiyori Edited January 18, 2019 by Benihana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raishu 202 Posted January 21, 2019 On 18/01/2019 at 22:42, Benihana said: Elders using a borrowed share cannot be promoted from toshiyori, while very successful former wrestlers (generally, yokozuna and ōzeki) immediately receive full iin privileges as iin taigu toshiyori upon their retirement from active competition, even before their normal advancement up the ladder will take them to shunin and later iin status. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiyori For what it's worth ... the 'List of sumo elders' on Wikipedia has received an update on the 18th of January and lists Kisenosato as toshiyori (but as the top of their group). The list matches the one on the NSK website. Further, both lists do not mention him as iin taigu toshiyori, so we can assume he has to start as a simple toshiyori. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,672 Posted January 21, 2019 He's iin taigu toshiyori. http://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokai/rijikai/ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raishu 202 Posted January 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: He's iin taigu toshiyori. http://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokai/rijikai/ I should've checked the Japanese version. Thanks for posting the link! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
