Natsu basho 2019 discussions [SPOILERS]

[lackmaker 428]

If the Tochinoshin/Asanoyama bout had gone the other way Tochi would now be favourite for the yusho.

[jalil_the_swan 25]

Mitakeumi stays in sanyaku for the 14th straight tournament. 

And Kakuryu has bottled it.

Edited May 26, 2019 by jalil_the_swan

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

16 minutes ago, jalil_the_swan said:

And Kakuryu has bottled it.

It did look like he chickened out. He was probably expecting the mother of all kachiage at the tachiai, and was understandably not keen on being used as Tochinoshin's tackling dummy. Going low to duck under was probably him in self-preservation mode.

[autotroph 43]

1 hour ago, Akōgyokuseki said:

Tomorrow Enho faces Shohozan. Can someone please ring the Port of Tyne Authority and warn them there may be a flood...

The taping today around his thigh will do nothing if it really is a hamstring injury. Taking Shimanoumi head on earlier may not have been the best tactic (can't fault his fighting spirit) , I fear he's only making things worse however...

 

Another member from the North East?

[ryafuji 806]

So.... Mitakeumi and Tamawashi to sekiwake, Asanoyama and Abi to komusubi? 

[Kishinoyama 582]

So... now that the Natsu yusho winner had been decided, I am curious to see what other forum members think about which tournament was more interesting. This tournament or the last tournament and your reason(s) for your decision. 

[Eikokurai 3,433]

6 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

So.... Mitakeumi and Tamawashi to sekiwake, Asanoyama and Abi to komusubi? 

Asanoyama could go as high as Sekiwake. Ichinojo went from M4w to Sekiwake on the strength of a 14-1 jun-yusho last time around. Tochinoshin went from M3e to Sekiwake after his yusho. Asanoyama is starting lower at M8w, but it could be enough. I think much depends on the final records of the other candidates. Mitakeumi could only move from west to east at Komusubi if he ends up 8-7. 9-6 could get him the Sekiwake slot. Tamawashi could take a Sekiwake slot with 11-4, especially as Tamawashi beat a Yokozuna and the tournament winner. That could be at the expense of Mitakeumi if he's 8-7, or Asanoyama if Mitakeumi is 9-6. Does that make sense? I'm not sure it does to me, haha. Too many permutations.

Edited May 25, 2019 by Eikokurai

[lackmaker 428]

And Ryuden has still got a shot at sanyaku?

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Just now, lackmaker said:

And Ryuden has still got a shot at sanyaku?

Possibly. Both Abi and Ryuden are 9-5 but Abi is one rank higher. If both win, Abi has 'seniority' over Ryuden, so I'd put Ryuden at maybe M1 instead. If Abi loses and Ryuden wins, that could reverse things.

[lackmaker 428]

We are missing Mr. Promotion/Demotion for almost flawless analysis.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Just now, lackmaker said:

We are missing Mr. Promotion/Demotion for almost flawless analysis.

Where is he?

[Dwale 419]

Congratulations to Asanoyama who, dubious win aside, has looked solid this basho and done some excellent sumo. It was apparent from the start of his makuuchi tenure that he had a good sumo mindset, but it looks as though he has the ability to go with it. His future could be very bright indeed.

You know, I expect the henka in desperate situations (like Enho tomorrow, for example) but I never expected it from Tochinoshin. Although that was so funny I can't even complain. Congratulations to him as well.

Takayasu tends to fade in the final third, so if he gets off to a bad start, he's not going to have a good basho. But he has his eight, so, hey.

How about Ryuden? Some nice sumo from him this time around. Can't get too excited because of his age (29), but he's been delivering the goods and I'd like to see him continue to do so.

Weird tournament, but entertaining. 

[RabidJohn 1,631]

2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Asanoyama or Goeido? 

Isn't it obvious?

Goeido already is a sanyaku mainstay; sanyaku referring to the original three titled ranks: komusubi, sekiwake and ozeki. If Goeido maintained today's form (i.e. kept losing) he would not remain ozeki very much longer. So I clearly had to be referring to Asanoyama, as he is the only one of the two in a position to become a sanyaku mainstay by maintaining a strong overall performance like he's shown this time.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Just now, RabidJohn said:

Isn't it obvious?

Goeido already is a sanyaku mainstay; sanyaku referring to the original three titled ranks: komusubi, sekiwake and ozeki. If Goeido maintained today's form (i.e. kept losing) he would not remain ozeki very much longer. So I clearly had to be referring to Asanoyama, as he is the only one of the two in a position to become a sanyaku mainstay by maintaining a strong overall performance like he's shown this time.

I was making a little joke at the expense of everyone's favourite underwhelming Ozeki. ;)

[Rainoyama 1,157]

43 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

So.... Mitakeumi and Tamawashi to sekiwake, Asanoyama and Abi to komusubi? 

Well if Aoyama wins tomorow he may move to Komusubi West and there'll be just three spots to fill.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

2 minutes ago, Rainoyama said:

Well if Aoyama wins tomorow he may move to Komusubi West and there'll be just three spots to fill.

Tochinoshin is going back up, Ichinojo is going way down, so if Aoiyama and Mitakeumi have both preserved junior sanyaku slots, we get two open slots.

[ryafuji 806]

4 minutes ago, Rainoyama said:

Well if Aoyama wins tomorow he may move to Komusubi West and there'll be just three spots to fill.

That usually only happens if there is a lack of promotion candidates, but we have more than enough this time.

[Rainoyama 1,157]

5 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Tochinoshin is going back up, Ichinojo is going way down, so if Aoiyama and Mitakeumi have both preserved junior sanyaku slots, we get two open slots.

Yes I used the wrong expression I meant Mitakeumi Asanoyama and Tamawashi take three spots but Aoyama may keep a spot ahead of Abi if he wins and Abi loses to Tamawashi.

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

42 minutes ago, lackmaker said:

We are missing Mr. Promotion/Demotion for almost flawless analysis.

Real life supersedes sumo. Not that sumo is a bad proxy, but when push comes to shove...

[lackmaker 428]

Maybe he got promoted.

[Yamanashi 3,686]

I'm waiting for Old Guard to harumph that Tochinoshin henka was unOzeki-like.  Well, he wasn't an Ozeki!

[Koorifuu 858]

Asanoyama lost his first ozumo bout to a fellow sandanme tsukedashi who would go on to take 2 consecutive zensho yusho. Yutakayama, who has been floundering as of late. Is there any sign of permanent injuries on him? I don't watch juryo nowadays...

[RabidJohn 1,631]

28 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

I'm waiting for Old Guard to harumph that Tochinoshin henka was unOzeki-like.

Unlikely. It was just too good a 'comment' on what happened yesterday - and everyone in the Kyokai knows it*.

*With the possible exception of Onomatsu-oyakata, who doesn't seem to know what day it is.

Edited May 25, 2019 by RabidJohn

[Rocks 1,804]

6 hours ago, Benihana said:

No yusho-deciding bout for the special guests tomorrow. (will there be tweets about it being "unfair" that not the winner of the last bout gets the yusho?)

EDIT:

Now, that the torikumi is out...the cup will not only not go to the winner of the last bout, but to a guy they aren't even scheduled to see fighting. It's getting better and better.

In golf the winner can and does occasionally finish before the others do, sometimes hours before.

[Kintamayama 44,229]

An explanation for Tochinoshin's henka today? Tochinoshin injured his right knee during his first loss on day 8. He was on painkillers and a suppository in his bout against Mitakeumi on day 10 and went on to win (losing his next three..), but during the evening the knee swelled considerably, so much so that water had to be extracted from it. "I didn't want to do that as it weakens me, but the pain was strong," he explained. He couldn't go head on at the tachiai. Yesterday, he thought he had won, but he didn't. Today he faced an opponent against whom he is 3-23. His mind and body were not at their best, so he did what he believed he had to do and got his 10th win, something he did not achieve in his 5 bashos as Ozeki. "I am thankful for everyone's support. On the dohyo I'm alone, but I have many people behind me-tsukebito, oyakata, koenkai, my countrymen. I've got to win. Last time around, I didn't do that enough.." he said. He plans to visit Georgia in mid-June, while healing and starting anew back at Ozeki.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Kintamayama