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Onosato, in only his 10th makuuchi bout, will face a sanyaku opponent. Does anyone know the record for fewest makuuchi matches to reach sanyaku opposition (15-bout era)?

Incidentally, on day 10 Takerufuji can set the new most consecutive wins from juryo debut record that Ono just missed out on reaching a couple basho ago...

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33 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Onosato, in only his 10th makuuchi bout, will face a sanyaku opponent. Does anyone know the record for fewest makuuchi matches to reach sanyaku opposition (15-bout era)?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&year=1940-2024&day=1-10&rowcount=5&debutd1=on&rank2=k,s,o,y

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

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9 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&year=1940-2024&day=1-10&rowcount=5&debutd1=on&rank2=k,s,o,y

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

Wow! He went straight in at M7 at a time when (I'm half-guessing) there were so many Fujishima-beya rikishi above him that he was effectively in the joi.

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12 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

And a Yokozuna in the next bout…. 

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17 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Wow! He went straight in at M7 at a time when (I'm half-guessing) there were so many Fujishima-beya rikishi above him that he was effectively in the joi.

On the banzuke he was #16 non-Futagoyama but it seems that the kosho of Higonoumi puts him #15 and right in the line of fire for shonichi

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Though the scheduling approach appears to be completely different altogether to how they're doing it nowadays. Akebono got started off with his lowest-ranked opponent of the entire tournament, that definitely doesn't happen for a Y1w anymore.

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6 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

On the banzuke he was #16 non-Futagoyama but it seems that the kosho of Higonoumi puts him #15 and right in the line of fire for shonichi

I totally forgot Fujishima had been absorbed by Futagoyama by then.

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32 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I totally forgot Fujishima had been absorbed by Futagoyama by then.

That was spring '93. If you like football there's an easy way to remember: that's the year of the first ever UEFA Champions League

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58 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I totally forgot Fujishima had been absorbed by Futagoyama by then.

Other way around, really. Futagoyama closed, Fujishima continued, but it did so by adopting the Futagoyama name.

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On 22/01/2024 at 04:52, Jakusotsu said:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&year=1940-2024&day=1-10&rowcount=5&debutd1=on&rank2=k,s,o,y

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

Back when the scheduling was quite different. They started off with the top guys reaching down the banzuke and working up, so that the M1s started out on Day 1 against each other.

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23 hours ago, Sakura said:

Back when the scheduling was quite different. They started off with the top guys reaching down the banzuke and working up, so that the M1s started out on Day 1 against each other.

They must have changed it after I stopped following in 1992, because my recollection of the late-80s is that komusubi and M1 had hard first weeks facing just about everyone above them, and sekiwake had hard 2nd weeks for the same reason. That's very similar to what we have now. Matching hiramaku with identical scores in the 2nd week regardless of their position was and is common, too.

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Considering how many Futagoyama guys were in the joi at that time, that doesn't surprise me at all. Takanohana would get to fight maegashira scrubs down to the mid-maegashira while Akebono and Musashimaru had to fight all of Taka, Waka, and Nami's stablemates on top of the Y-O rotation. Taka would only fight Akebono and Musashimaru. Hence the criticism of the day that Taka had an unfair advantage

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Onosato faced a yokozuna in his:

  • 56th bout overall,
  • 5th basho overall,
  • 3rd sekitori basho.

These have to be hard to break records, or not?

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2 hours ago, Tsubame said:

Onosato faced a yokozuna in his:

  • 56th bout overall,
  • 5th basho overall,
  • 3rd sekitori basho.

These have to be hard to break records, or not?

Ichinojo? SumoDB is down to prove my memory wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Ichinojo? SumoDB is down to prove my memory wrong. 

Indeed, Ichinojo came close. He met his first yokozuna in his 57th overall bout (with same amounts of bashos).

Totally forgot, that Ichinojo had also a massive headstart into sumo.

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Do we know how often it happens that a rikishi starts a tournament with a mullet and ends it with a topknot? That was the case with makushita Nagamura today.

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3 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Do we know how often it happens that a rikishi starts a tournament with a mullet and ends it with a topknot? That was the case with makushita Nagamura today.

I *think* it happened with Ichinojo as well, but I'm far from sure.

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Yomiuri keeps posting articles about Mienoumi, today it was mentioned that as Musashigawa he raised 13 sekitori of which 8 are now oyakata in the NSK

20240213-OYT1I50009-1.jpg?type=mediumo

I guess in the past there were shisho with even more, but it still is impressive

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7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Yomiuri keeps posting articles about Mienoumi, today it was mentioned that as Musashigawa he raised 13 sekitori of which 8 are now oyakata in the NSK

20240213-OYT1I50009-1.jpg?type=mediumo

I guess in the past there were shisho with even more, but it still is impressive

Oooohhh…Isegahama will probably the closest right now with 11 sekitori.

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Rikishi demoted from makuuchi placed behind rikishi promoted from makushita, 15-bout era:

1969.03 -> .05:
M12e Hanada 0-8-7 -> J11e
Ms6e Oyoshizawa 7-0 Y -> J10e

1972.01 -> .03:
M12e Ryuko 0-0-15 -> J8e
Ms11w Shurao 7-0 Y -> J7w

1979.07 -> .09:
M14e Banryuyama 0-3-12 -> J10w
Ms7w Sadanoumi 7-0 Y -> J8w

1990.09 -> .11:
M13w Kyokugozan 1-14 -> J10w
Ms4w Hayashi 7-0 Y -> J9w

2000.03 -> .05:
M14w Wakanosato 0-0-15 -> J11e
Ms1e Tochisakae 6-1 -> J9e
Ms5e Tamanokuni 7-0 Y -> J8w

2002.03 -> .05:
M13w Towanoyama 0-1-14 -> J9w
Ms1e Gojoro 7-0 Y -> J8e

2003.05 -> .07:
M14e Takanotsuru 0-11-4 -> J10w
Ms4e Tamanokuni 7-0 Y -> J9e

2005.01 -> .03:
M15e Tochisakae 0-0-15 -> J10e
M15w Harunoyama 0-0-15 -> J10w
Ms4e Chiyohakuho 7-0 Y -> J9w

2008.03 -> .05:
M13w Ichihara 0-2-13 -> J11w
Ms4e Daiyubu 7-0 Y -> J10e

2010.07 -> .09:
M14w Okinoumi 0-0-15 -> J8e
Ms12e Jumonji 7-0 Y -> J7e

2010.11 -> 2011.01:
M17e Hokutoriki 0-0-15 -> J12e
Ms1e Kiyoseumi 4-3 -> J11e
Ms4e Yoshiazuma 5-2 -> J11w

2013.01 -> .03:
M16e Miyabiyama 3-12 -> J9e
Ms1e Oniarashi 7-0 Y -> J7w

2024.01 -> .03:
M17w Aoiyama 0-7-8 -> J11w
Ms1w Wakatakakage 7-0 Y -> J10w

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Tochimaru is the only rikishi in DB-recorded history to have hit all of Ms5 to Ms1 as separate career-high ranks: Query

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Tournaments with 3 rikishi ranked Ms1-Ms5 with career-to-date high rank of Ms1, excluding rikishi who are Ms1 debutants (= a count of rikishi who went up to Ms1 previously and so far failed to become sekitori), 7-bout era since Nagoya 1960:

 

1961.05:

Result East High Rank West High Result
4-3  Hirokawa Ms1 Ms1 Wakaikuni Ms1 1-6
4-4 Naniwayama Ms2 Ms2 Miyanohana Ms1 6-1 
1-6 Takimiyama J4 Ms3 Okanoyama Ms3 7-0 Y 
2-5 Washigatani Ms4 Ms4 Tamaarashi Ms1 4-3
4-3 Ogiyama Ms5 Ms5 Oyazaki J17 4-3

Juryo debuts: Hirokawa and Miyanohana after this, Tamaarashi 1962.03


1962.01:

Result East High Rank West High Result
5-2  Unzenyama J18 Ms1 Matsumaeyama Ms1 3-4
4-4 Yoshinoiwa Ms2 Ms2 Azumayama Ms1 2-5
6-1  Azumanishiki Ms3 Ms3 Tamaarashi Ms1 7-0 Y 
2-5 Naniwayama Ms2 Ms4 Tochioyama Ms4 3-4
5-2 Umenosato Ms1 Ms5 Imai Ms5 2-5

Juryo debuts: Tamaarashi after this, Umenosato 1963.05, Azumayama never


1962.03:

Result East High Rank West High Result
4-3  Yoshinoiwa Ms1 Ms1 Umenosato Ms1 2-5
3-4 Sakunobori J6 Ms2 Akashiumi Ms2 5-2 
1-6 Matsumaeyama Ms1 Ms3 Terunoumi Ms3 4-3 
3-4 Ueta Ms1 Ms4 Okuni# Ms4 6-1 
4-3 Tsutsumi Ms5 Ms5 Yamamura Ms5

3-4

Juryo debuts: Umenosato 1963.05, Matsumaeyama 1963.05, Ueta 1963.07


1963.03:

Result East High Rank West High Result
4-3  Kiyokuni Ms1 Ms1 Unzenyama J7 2-5
0-0-7 Tokinami J3 Ms2 Wakamiyama Ms2 6-1 
2-5 Mikiyama Ms1 Ms3 Matsumaeyama Ms1 5-2 
4-4 Maedahana Ms4 Ms4 Shikinohana Ms2 5-2 
5-2 Yoshinohana Ms5 Ms5 Honma Ms5 1-6

Juryo debuts: Kiyokuni (= Umenosato) and Matsumaeyama after this, Mikiyama 1964.01


1963.09:

Result East High Rank West High Result
5-2  Daimonji J14 Ms1 Hokkai# Ms1 3-4
4-3 Terunoumi J17 Ms2 Haruki Ms2 2-5
5-2  Banryunada Ms1 Ms3 Hibikiya J10 2-5
3-4 Mikiyama Ms1 Ms4 Sasada Ms1 1-6
5-2 Terunohana Ms5 Ms5 Daikanyama Ms2

5-2

Juryo debuts: Banryunada after this, Mikiyama 1964.01, Sasada (= Azumayama) never


1964.03:

Result East High Rank West High Result
3-4 Maedahana Ms1 Ms1 Datenishiki J16 4-3 
4-3 Tachigami# Ms2 Ms2 Higashi# Ms1 2-5
5-2  Banryunada J18 Ms3 Matsuhikari Ms3 5-3 
7-0 Y  Hasegawa J11 Ms4 Kitanohana Ms4 3-4
1-6 Hokkai# Ms1 Ms5 Kirinji M14 6-1 

Juryo debuts: Maedahana 1964.09, Higashi 1967.11, Hokkai never


1966.09:

Result East High Rank West High Result
5-2 Daikanyama J11 Ms1 Kogure Ms1 2-5
4-3 Hidenishiki Ms2 Ms2 Matsumaeyama M9 4-3
3-4 Takahashi Ms3 Ms3 Hakkozan Ms3 3-4
4-3 Maedahana J7 Ms4 Edohibiki Ms1 2-5
6-1 Ryushoyama J13 Ms5 Higashi# Ms1 3-4

Juryo debuts: Kogure 1967.07, Higashi 1967.11, Edohibiki 1968.07


1967.03:

Result East High Rank West High Result
6-1 Tochifuji Ms1 Ms1 Hidenishiki J18 3-4
4-3 Edohibiki Ms1 Ms2 Tsunenishiki M1 0-0-7
3-4 Asakaze Ms3 Ms3 Hayama J10 3-4
5-2 Kamiyama# J12 Ms4 Higashi# Ms1 4-3
3-4 Mitakayama J17 Ms5 Daikanyama J11 2-5

Juryo debuts: Tochifuji (= Kogure) 1967.07, Higashi 1967.11, Edohibiki 1968.07


1969.09:

Result East High Rank West High Result
3-4 Kasugaryu Ms1 Ms1 Oshio Ms1 5-2 
2-5 Shima# M5 Ms2 Daio Ms2 3-4
3-4 Fujizakura Ms1 Ms3 Maruyama Ms3 3-4
3-4 Nishimori Ms3 Ms4 Mizuhikari Ms4 2-5
4-3 Makimoto J15 Ms5 Tachihikari Ms2 4-3

Juryo debuts: Oshio after this, Fujizakura 1970.01, Kasugaryu 1970.03


1970.11:

Result East High Rank West High Result
3-4 Kabumoto J9 Ms1 Arashiyama M12 3-4
4-3  Wakajishi Ms1 Ms2 Fukumoto Ms2 2-5
4-3 Byakuhoyama Ms1 Ms3 Kuniriki# Ms1 4-3
3-4 Shimada Ms4 Ms4 Mutsunishiki# Ms3 1-6
3-4 Tamura Ms5 Ms5 Matsuda Ms4 5-2 

Juryo debuts: Wakajishi after this, Byakuhoyama 1971.03, Kuniriki never


1989.07:

Result East High Rank West High Result
5-2  Tamakairiki Ms1 Ms1 Fukunosato Ms1 4-3 
6-1  Kototsubaki J13 Ms2 Takatoriki J13 7-0 Y 
2-5 Koganefuji Ms1 Ms3 Morinosato J9 4-3
0-3-4 Naminohana Ms4 Ms4 Daishiryu Ms4 2-5
5-2  Kotohakusan Ms1 Ms5 Ryujuyama Ms1 4-3

Juryo debuts: Kotohakusan after this, Ryujuyama 1989.11, Koganefuji never


2003.03:

Result East High Rank West High Result
2-5 Daizen K Ms1 Kokkai Ms1 5-2 
5-2  Toyozakura J6 Ms2 Sumanofuji J10 4-3 
2-5 Towanoyama M13 Ms3 Hamanoshima K 3-4
4-3 Masutsuyoshi J7 Ms4 Uchida Ms4 6-1 
4-3 Fujinohana Ms1 Ms5 Tanaka Ms1 5-2 

Juryo debuts: Kokkai and Tanaka after this, Fujinohana never


2004.07:

Result East High Rank West High Result
3-4 Yoshiazuma Ms1 Ms1 Kotokanyu J7 3-4
4-3  Suzukawa Ms2 Ms2 Takamifuji Ms2 1-6
3-4 Fujinoyama Ms1 Ms3 Asofuji J12 6-1 
4-3 Kotokasuga Ms1 Ms4 Maikaze Ms1 4-3
0-4-3 Tamarikido M8 Ms5 Hakurozan Ms5 5-2 

Juryo debuts: Kotokasuga 2004.11, Maikaze 2005.01, Fujinoyama (= Fujinohana) never


2007.09:

Result East High Rank West High Result
6-1  Ichihara Ms1 Ms1 Kobo M9 2-5
3-4 Tochisakae M1 Ms2 Takanowaka S 0-4-3
4-3  Isobe Ms3 Ms3 Yoshiazuma Ms1 4-3 
4-3 Kimurayama Ms1 Ms4 Hokutokuni Ms4 3-4
4-3 Sokokurai Ms5 Ms5 Takekabuto Ms5 0-2-5

Juryo debuts: Ichihara and Yoshiazuma after this, Kimurayama 2008.01


2007.11:

Result East High Rank West High Result
5-2  Tochinoshin Ms1 Ms1 Kimurayama Ms1 6-1 
3-4 Sokokurai Ms2 Ms2 Tamawashi Ms2 4-3 
3-4 Ryuho M16 Ms3 Yakigaya Ms1 4-3 
1-6 Shimoda Ms1 Ms4 Kirinowaka Ms2 5-2 
4-3 Tochisakae M1 Ms5 Bushuyama J7 4-3

Juryo debuts: Kimurayama and Yakigaya after this, Shimoda never


2024.03:

Result East High Rank West High Result
? Chiyomaru M5 Ms1 Tenshoho J10 ?
? Yuma J13 Ms2 Onokatsu Ms2 ?
? Tochimusashi J7 Ms3 Kayo Ms1 ?
? Kitadaichi Ms3 Ms4 Tsukahara Ms1 ?
? Kotodaigo Ms1 Ms5 Nabatame Ms5 ?
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On 15/07/2023 at 20:58, Asashosakari said:

Longest winning streaks by rikishi ranked as maegashira (prior wins in juryo or subsequent wins in sanyaku do not count), 15-bout era since 1949.05.

16
Tokitsuyama     1953.03.15 - 1953.05.15    M4w   6-9   / M6e  15-0 Y 

15
Tamanoumi       1957.11.01-15              M14e 15-0 Y

14
Wakamisugi      1960.05.02-15              M4w  14-1 Y
Wakamisugi      1961.09.10 - 1961.11.08    M4e   7-8   / M5e  11-4
Kiyokuni        1964.01.01-14              M13e 14-1 J
Asasekiryu      2004.01.14 - 2004.03.12    M12e  7-8   / M12w 13-2 J
Nishikigi       2023.05.08 - 2023.07.06    M4w   9-6   / M1e   ?

13
Mitoizumi       1986.03.05 - 1986.05.02    M12w 12-3 J / M1w   6-9
Kotofuji        1991.07.01-13              M13e 14-1 Y
Toyonoshima     2010.11.04 - 2011.01.01    M9w  14-1 D / M1e   8-7
Tokushoryu      2020.01.03-15              M17w 14-1 Y

12
Wakachichibu    1960.03.14 - 1960.05.10    M9e   5-10  / M14w 13-2 J
Mutsuarashi     1967.03.04-15              M14e 13-2 J
Nagaoka         1978.11.09 - 1979.01.05    M13w  9-6   / M6e  10-5
Takahanada      1992.01.04-15              M2e  14-1 Y
Takatoriki      2000.03.01-12              M14e 13-2 Y
Tochinonada     2003.01.05 - 2003.03.01    M10e 11-4 J / M2e   9-6


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Terunobori      1952.01.01-11              M8w  12-3
Kotogahama      1957.03.02-12              M8e  12-3 J
Taiho           1960.01.01-11              M13w 12-3 J
Kainoyama       1965.11.15 - 1966.01.10    M2e   3-12  / M11w 12-3
Kirinji         1982.03.05-15              M5e  11-4 J
Dewanohana      1984.11.14 - 1985.01.09    M1w   4-11  / M9w  11-4 J
Takahanada      1991.03.01-11              M13e 12-3 J
Oginishiki      1997.03.10 - 1997.05.05    M15e 11-4   / M5w  11-4
Takatoriki      1998.03.13 - 1998.05.08    M4w   7-8   / M5e   9-6
Kotonishiki     1998.11.01-11              M12w 14-1 Y
Kotomitsuki     2001.09.04-14              M2e  13-2 Y
Tochiozan       2008.11.13 - 2009.01.08    M9e   6-9   / M12e 10-5
Kyokutenho      2012.07.14 - 2012.09.09    M1e   2-13  / M11e 10-5
Kotoyuki        2016.03.05-15              M1e  12-3
Takayasu        2021.11.15 - 2022.03.10    M5e   6-9   / M7e  12-3 D [Covid-19 kyujo 2022.01]
Ryuden          2022.09.06 - 2022.11.01    M12w 11-4 J / M6w   9-6

10
Onobori         1951.05.04-13              M14e 12-3 J
Otachi          1954.09.05-14              M10e 11-4
Dewanishiki     1955.09.04-13              M8e  12-3
Shimizugawa     1956.01.05-14              M20e 12-3
Tsurugamine     1956.01.06-15              M10e 14-1 D
Tochihikari     1957.01.06-15              M6w  12-3 J
Tokitsuyama     1958.07.08 - 1958.09.02    M10e 10-5   / M4e  12-3 J
Kashiwado       1959.01.13 - 1959.03.07    M16e  8-7   / M13w 13-2 J
Atagoyama       1959.07.15 - 1959.09.09    M12w 4-1-10 / M15w 11-4
Fujinishiki     1959.11.03-12              M11e 12-3 J
Tokitsuyama     1960.03.05-14              M11e 12-3
Dewanishiki     1961.07.09 - 1961.09.03    M7e  9-4-2  / M3e  11-4
Fujinishiki     1964.07.01-10              M9w  14-1 Y
Wakasugiyama    1965.01.08 - 1965.03.02    M13w 12-3 J / M1w   5-10
Myobudani       1965.05.04-13              M4e  11-4 J
Kongo           1975.07.06-15              M1w  13-2 Y
Takatoriki      1993.03.14 - 1993.05.08    M12e  9-6   / M6w  11-4
Kotonowaka      1998.07.02-11              M9w  11-4
Toki            1999.09.12 - 1999.11.06    M3e   6-9   / M5w   9-6

Kotoshogiku     2005.05.08 - 2005.07.02    M14e 10-5   / M9e   8-7
Homasho         2006.11.02-11              M11e 12-3 J
Kotoshogiku     2006.11.07 - 2007.01.01    M2e  10-5   / M1e   9-6
Homasho         2010.07.01-10              M13e 11-4 J
Aran            2010.07.06-15              M2e  11-4 J
Gagamaru        2011.09.02-11              M11w 11-4
Kyokutenho      2012.05.06-15              M7w  12-3 Y
Sadanoumi       2015.03.10 - 2015.05.04    M2e   7-8   / M3e   8-7
Ishiura         2016.11.02-11              M15e 10-5
Hokutofuji      2018.07.13 - 2018.09.07    M16e 11-4   / M9e   9-6
Tochiozan       2018.09.11 - 2018.11.05    M7w   8-7   / M2e   8-7
Okinoumi        2019.07.14 - 2019.09.08    M8w   8-7   / M8e  11-4
Daieisho        2020.11.14 - 2021.01.08    M2w  10-5   / M1w  13-2 Y
Ichiyamamoto    2022.03.11 - 2022.05.05    M17w  8-7   / M15w  8-7
Abi             2022.11.11 - 2023.01.05    M9w  12-3 Y / M3e   8-7
Midorifuji      2023.03.01-10              M5w  10-5

Onosato missed the list by a whisker and it might be one of his last chances, but Takerufuji enters it and does it unbeaten.

10-0 starts or better in division debut (juryo or makuuchi, 15 bout era)  Here

Taiho made it only to 11-0, so I'd say Takerufuji is in good company. Future former Kotonowaka will judge tomorrow if he's worthy or misses it by a neck.

9-0 starts (same conditions as before) had more of an eclectic bunch. Our 2 fellas did it in juryo very recently.

 

Onto other thigs, young up-and-comer Daiamami has tied his best winning streak in makuuchi with 6 (Haru 2018 days 3-8 was his longest until now). As a rikishi his top is 7 in juryo because my excel counts the kettei-sen losses as ending the streaks, as I think it should. His MsTD start with a sextuple 4-3 didn't help in that regard (surely it merited a post here somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look it up). Don't know how to really post my findings as a query in this case.

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