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[Asashosakari 20,250]

Rank promotions:

shunin -> iin: Inagawa (ex-Futeno), Matsugane (ex-Tamarikido), Mihogaseki (ex-Tochisakae), Sekinoto (ex-Iwakiyama), Sendagawa (ex-Toki), Shikihide (ex-Kitazakura), Tagonoura (ex-Takanotsuru), Takasaki (ex-Kinkaiyama), Takenawa (ex-Tochinonada), Tanigawa (ex-Hokutoriki), Tatekawa (ex-Tosanoumi), Urakaze (ex-Shikishima)

toshiyori -> iin (two classes): Asahiyama (ex-Kotonishiki), Otowayama (ex-Kobo)

toshiyori -> shunin: Furiwake (ex-Takamisakari), Hanaregoma (ex-Tamanoshima), Ikazuchi (ex-Kakizoe), Iwatomo (ex-Kimurayama), Kasugayama (ex-Hamanishiki)

Two years ago I wrote:

And one of the eternal questions has received new fodder as it appears that some oyakata who were on kabu-borrowing arrangements for a while have received some credit for the time spent as borrowers: Toki, Shikishima, Musashimaru, Kirinishiki and Zaonishiki have all jumped past some other toshiyori-ranked oyakata who haven't been promoted at this time.

They've gone into overdrive now with those immediate two-class promotions for ex-Kotonishiki and ex-Kobo. That's definitely new, as even ex-Zaonishiki who was borrowing shares for over 30 years had to make a one-year stop at the shunin rank after he finally obtained a kabu of his own.

More generally, it looks like some things in the handling of the shunin rank have changed altogether - it used to be normal that oyakata would be spending about three or four years at that level before moving on to their (more or less permanent) iin ranking, but many in the latest crop were promoted out of shunin very quickly - even the five oyakata who only reached shunin just a year ago, and this includes one guy (ex-Tochinonada) who doesn't even have any borrower time credit. He's now iin-ranked just four years after retiring from active competition, and a few others aren't far behind.

All in all, all shunin incumbents were promoted to iin this year, with the sole exception of Onoe (ex-Hamanoshima); probably still some residual effects from his previous promotion stop (see linked 2014 update).

The promotions from toshiyori to shunin were more straight-forward - they were simply the five longest-tenured guys on the list, although even here things seem to have accelerated somewhat. Ex-Kimurayama only retired in early 2014, so had to spend just two years at the entry-level rank. (Compare to e.g. the aforementioned ex-Tochinonada who took three years to move on.)

8 oyakata remain ranked as toshiyori for the moment:

kabu owners: Oshima (ex-Kyokutenho), Nishiiwa (ex-Wakanosato), Shiranui (ex-Wakakoyu), Tatsutagawa (ex-Homasho)

kabu borrowers: Ajigawa (ex-Tosayutaka), Kimigahama (ex-Hochiyama), Kiyomigata (ex-Bushuyama), Onogawa (ex-Daido)

Shiranui is the longest-serving one among the owners, having retired a year and a half ago. He and Tatsutagawa are likely moving up next March if two years is the new standard time period for the toshiyori position.

(My guess is that the regulations now state that it's meant to be two years as toshiyori and two years as shunin, but the guys who already spent more than two years as toshiyori got credit for that, and because of that we have so many one-year promotions from shunin to iin this time. If that theory holds, ex-Kimurayama will become iin in 2018 after four years total, not 2017.)

Naruto (ex-Kotooshu) remains listed as iin-equivalent oyakata for now (the privilege afforded to former ozeki and yokozuna, giving them higher status right from the start). He's been oyakata for 2 years now, so he's likely to become full regular iin next year - Kaio was made official after two and a half years recently. (Unless ex-Kotooshu's a special case because he was oyakata under his own name for the first year.)

Miyabiyama has been in the oyakata ranks for three years, so likely should be full iin now as well, but his move to the councillor position means he's no longer listed with an oyakata ranking so there's no official evidence for that "promotion".

Edited April 22, 2016 by Asashosakari

[Orion 431]

On a preliminary note, somehow it looks like we never got around to mentioning the knock-on effect from this:

Incidentally, Tatsunami-oyakata serving as shimpan replacement for the previous Otowayama still isn't reflected on the jobs listing, so this may have been only a temporary appointment for Nagoya basho.

And now the new Otowayama-oyakata (ex-Kobo) replaces him as of the Aki-basho as a Takanohana-ichimon shimpan.

http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20150911-OHT1T50066.html

This of course meant that ex-Kobo would be leaving his posts as sumo school coach and kimarite oyakata, and he was replaced by...Shiranui? Hands up everyone who ever thought, during his active career, that ex-Wakakoyu would end up coaching the newbies...

Not me! Just goes to show you can't bet on anything these days....

Orion

[Orion 431]

Rank promotions:

shunin -> iin: Inagawa (ex-Futeno), Matsugane (ex-Tamarikido), Mihogaseki (ex-Tochisakae), Sekinoto (ex-Iwakiyama), Sendagawa (ex-Toki), Shikihide (ex-Kitazakura), Tagonoura (ex-Takanotsuru), Takasaki (ex-Kinkaiyama), Takenawa (ex-Tochinonada), Tanigawa (ex-Hokutoriki), Tatekawa (ex-Tosanoumi), Urakaze (ex-Shikishima)

toshiyori -> iin (two classes): Asahiyama (ex-Kotonishiki), Otowayama (ex-Kobo)

toshiyori -> shunin: Furiwake (ex-Takamisakari), Hanaregoma (ex-Tamanoshima), Ikazuchi (ex-Kakizoe), Iwatomo (ex-Kimurayama), Kasugayama (ex-Hamanishiki)

Two years ago I wrote:

And one of the eternal questions has received new fodder as it appears that some oyakata who were on kabu-borrowing arrangements for a while have received some credit for the time spent as borrowers: Toki, Shikishima, Musashimaru, Kirinishiki and Zaonishiki have all jumped past some other toshiyori-ranked oyakata who haven't been promoted at this time.

They've gone into overdrive now with those immediate two-class promotions for ex-Kotonishiki and ex-Kobo. That's definitely new, as even ex-Zaonishiki who was borrowing shares for over 30 years had to make a one-year stop at the shunin rank after he finally obtained a kabu of his own.

More generally, it looks like some things in the handling of the shunin rank have changed altogether - it used to be normal that oyakata would be spending about three or four years at that level before moving on to their (more or less permanent) iin ranking, but many in the latest crop were promoted out of shunin very quickly - even the five oyakata who only reached shunin just a year ago, and this includes one guy (ex-Tochinonada) who doesn't even have any borrower time credit. He's now iin-ranked just four years after retiring from active competition, and a few others aren't far behind.

All in all, all shunin incumbents were promoted to iin this year, with the sole exception of Onoe (ex-Hamanoshima); probably still some residual effects from his previous promotion stop (see linked 2014 update).

The promotions from toshiyori to shunin were more straight-forward - they were simply the five longest-tenured guys on the list, although even here things seem to have accelerated somewhat. Ex-Kimurayama only retired in early 2014, so had to spend just two years at the entry-level rank. (Compare to e.g. the aforementioned ex-Tochinonada who took three years to move on.)

8 oyakata remain ranked as toshiyori for the moment:

kabu owners: Oshima (ex-Kyokutenho), Nishiiwa (ex-Wakanosato), Shiranui (ex-Wakakoyu), Tatsutagawa (ex-Homasho)

kabu borrowers: Ajigawa (ex-Tosayutaka), Kimigahama (ex-Hochiyama), Kiyomigata (ex-Bushuyama), Onogawa (ex-Daido)

Shiranui is the longest-serving one among the owners, having retired a year and a half ago. He and Tatsutagawa are likely moving up next March if two years is the new standard time period for the toshiyori position.

(My guess is that the regulations now state that it's meant to be two years as toshiyori and two years as shunin, but the guys who already spent more than two years as toshiyori got credit for that, and because of that we have so many one-year promotions from shunin to iin this time. If that theory holds, ex-Kimurayama will become iin in 2018 after four years total, not 2017.)

Naruto (ex-Kotooshu) remains listed as iin-equivalent oyakata for now (the privilege afforded to former ozeki and yokozuna, giving them higher status right from the start). He's been oyakata for 2 years now, so he's likely to become full regular iin next year - Kaio was made official after two and a half years recently. (Unless ex-Kotooshu's a special case because he was oyakata under his own name for the first year.)

Miyabiyama has been in the oyakata ranks for three years, so likely should be full iin now as well, but his move to the councillor position means he's no longer listed with an oyakata ranking so there's no official evidence for that "promotion".

Brilliant! Thank you so much for summarizing -- once upon a time I was having to do all this on my private lists (and there was no forum to put them online either). Leaves me with a leetle bit of time to go after the x#$% travel books that apparently are still telling foreign tourists that dropping into a sumo-beya is a great way to get a free morning's entertainment -- managed to intercept one lot just this morning before a nasty situation could develop. Ah, the gap widens...

Orion

[Yubinhaad 11,969]

Matsuchiyama-oyakata (former Komusubi Banryuyama) turned 65 a few days ago and has become the third oyakata to be re-employed for the extra five years as a consultant.

[Yubinhaad 11,969]

Inagawa-oyakata (former Komusubi Futeno) has packed his akeni and moved from Chiganoura-beya to Kise-beya. My guess is there was some kind of falling out over his inheritance of Chiganoura-beya - I did start to wonder about that after he wasn't included in any of the ex-shisho's 65th birthday photos recently.

Anyway, hopefully he can concentrate on the work at Kise-beya. It might be a more familiar surrounding, as the shisho is a fellow ex-Nichidai graduate and many of the rikishi have a university background too.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Yubinhaad

[Yubinhaad 11,969]

Dekiyama-oyakata (former Sekiwake Dewanohana) and Kiriyama-oyakata (former Komusubi Kurosegawa) both reached the mandatory retirement age a couple of days ago, and both have been re-employed as consultants for five more years.

[Raishu 219]

Just read about the re-employments of ex-Chiganoura / now Tokiwayama, Matsuchiyama, Dekiyama and Kiriyama.

Since the implementation of the new rule in 2014, just one out of six aging oyakata has decided not to opt for additional five years (and that myoseki went to longtime loaner ex-Kotonishiki).

That sucks big time for all the eligible rikishi in their late twenties / early thirties who do not own a share yet.

I understand that the NSK wants to save some cash because the veteran oyakta work for less money but I somehow think that new rule does not show solidarity towards active rikishi who deperately need a share in case they see their future with the coorperation.

Especially within Dewanoumi-ichimon the situation looks grave with all that eligible rikishi (Tenkaiho, Jokoryu, Satoyama, Fujiazuma, Kitataiki, Sadanofuji, Toyohibiki, Myogiryu, Goeido). Soon Sadanoumi and Tokushoryu will become eligible, too.

From the aforementioned, Goeido might bridge the gap till 2021 with his 3-year-grace-period and I see Kitataiki as the possible succesor for the Onogawa name. All the other guys will probably have to loan their way to a permanent employment. And by looking at which kabu are still vacant for a potential loan, almost all owners are around 30 years or older as well.

I see that development with worries (same goes for the renewed increase of heya).

[WAKATAKE 2,759]

Just read about the re-employments of ex-Chiganoura / now Tokiwayama, Matsuchiyama, Dekiyama and Kiriyama.

Since the implementation of the new rule in 2014, just one out of six aging oyakata has decided not to opt for additional five years (and that myoseki went to longtime loaner ex-Kotonishiki).

That sucks big time for all the eligible rikishi in their late twenties / early thirties who do not own a share yet.

I understand that the NSK wants to save some cash because the veteran oyakta work for less money but I somehow think that new rule does not show solidarity towards active rikishi who deperately need a share in case they see their future with the coorperation.

Especially within Dewanoumi-ichimon the situation looks grave with all that eligible rikishi (Tenkaiho, Jokoryu, Satoyama, Fujiazuma, Kitataiki, Sadanofuji, Toyohibiki, Myogiryu, Goeido). Soon Sadanoumi and Tokushoryu will become eligible, too.

From the aforementioned, Goeido might bridge the gap till 2021 with his 3-year-grace-period and I see Kitataiki as the possible succesor for the Onogawa name. All the other guys will probably have to loan their way to a permanent employment. And by looking at which kabu are still vacant for a potential loan, almost all owners are around 30 years or older as well.

I see that development with worries (same goes for the renewed increase of heya).

I wonder if maybe that's why wrestlers such as Aminishiki and Tokitenku are refusing to retire even though they are in either not so great health or having what should be a career ending injury. Perhaps to stall for time while their kabu loanees are trying to acquire their own kabus.

[shumitto 419]

(...)

I wonder if maybe that's why wrestlers such as Aminishiki and Tokitenku are refusing to retire even though they are in either not so great health or having what should be a career ending injury. Perhaps to stall for time while their kabu loanees are trying to acquire their own kabus.

No one is using Tokitenku's kabu right now so he is free to retire, but Aminishiki's Ajigawa share has just been loaned by former Tosayutaka. It would be inconvenient for Tosayutaka to look for a new kabu now as there is nothing available from his ichimon now and in the near future barring an untimely retirement.

I've just realized it's been more than two years since Sagatsukasa's last Juryo basho and he still there (probably just killing time while something doesn't turn up).

Edit: deleted first quote.

Edited May 25, 2016 by shumitto

[Raishu 219]

(...)

I wonder if maybe that's why wrestlers such as Aminishiki and Tokitenku are refusing to retire even though they are in either not so great health or having what should be a career ending injury. Perhaps to stall for time while their kabu loanees are trying to acquire their own kabus.

No one is using Tokitenku's kabu right now so he is free to retire, but Aminishiki's Ajigawa share has just been loaned by former Tosayutaka. It would be inconvenient for Tosayutaka to look for a new kabu now as there is nothing available from his ichimon now and in the near future barring an untimely retirement.

I've just realized it's been more than two years since Sagatsukasa's last Juryo basho and he still there (probably just killing time while something doesn't turn up).

Edit: deleted first quote.

I can't imagine high-profile veterans like Aminishiki or Tokitenku drop to the unsalaried ranks just for the sake of the loaners to hang on. Both must feel postive about a potential return to the paid ranks, otherwise guys like Tosayutaka could have easily sealed a deal with another kabu owner ( we still have Araiso, Hidenoyama, Nishikijima, Nakamura, and Oshiogawa as options - Kumagatani's status is still quite iffy).

Especially in Tosayutaka's case it's quite odd that he does not use Toyonoshima's Nishikijima-kabu, since they are both from the same heya (which means there IS a free name available in his ichimon). Maybe something personal or Toyo is prepared to retire in case he drops to Juryo anytime soon.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Raishu

[Nantonoyama 255]

Unfortunately Chiyonofuji passed away yesterday :-(

What will happen to the kokonoe kabu then? Does it belong to the NSK or part of the inheritance of the rikishi?

And on the other hand as it is likely that Sanoyama oyakata will now be the head of the heya, it is likely that the heya will change its name?

Or is there any chance that moto-Chiyotaikai takes the kokonoe kabu and becomes kokonoe-oyakata?

If some "fount of science" in how does the sumo world works knows what is the custom in this case, it would be appreciated, as I have no clue.

[orandashoho 720]

There must have been provisions made for the continuance. Likely to have been arranged when he became ill. Someone will inherit, but who?

[Raishu 219]

Or is there any chance that moto-Chiyotaikai takes the kokonoe kabu and becomes kokonoe-oyakata?

This is the most probable scenario. I guess we will learn about that within the next 24-48 hours.

They won't let such a prestigious name vanish, I can't see that happen.

[Akinomaki 41,817]

Or is there any chance that moto-Chiyotaikai takes the kokonoe kabu and becomes kokonoe-oyakata?

This is the most probable scenario. I guess we will learn about that within the next 24-48 hours.

They won't let such a prestigious name vanish, I can't see that happen.

PR top Kasugano confirmed it: "The family wants the name preserved, Sanoyama will likely do the succession by change of myoseki".

The NSK declared today that they think Sanoyana will be the successor, and he plans to do the formalities on the 2nd.

http://mainichi.jp/articles/20160802/k00/00m/050/097000c

[Akinomaki 41,817]

The NSK announced on the 3rd that the riji-kai has acknowledged Sanoyama-oyakata as successor to Kokonoe-beya and his change of myoseki to Kokonoe. http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2016080300618&g=spo

[Akinomaki 41,817]

The Sanoyama myoseki is now owned by Chiyootori. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1689100.html

To have the info here, the quote from the proper thread that Tokitenku has taken on the toshiyori name Magaki as of the 26th. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1700952.html

On 26.8.2016 at 06:45, inhashi said:

NSK has announced that Tokitenku has retired.   He has Japanese citizenship and his ownership for Magaki kabu was approved.

 

Edited August 27, 2016 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama 47,229]

Ajigawa (ex-Tosayutaka) assumes the Sanoyama name.

[kuroimori 1,634]

9 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Ajigawa (ex-Tosayutaka) assumes the Sanoyama name.

Mens sana in corpore sanoyama.

[Akinomaki 41,817]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Ajigawa (ex-Tosayutaka) assumes the Sanoyama name.

So Aminishiki has no hope to really recover from that injury and needs the Ajigawa myoseki soon - and the newly wed gets some more time (assuming he still only has his kabu on loan).

[Asashosakari 20,250]

8 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

So Aminishiki has no hope to really recover from that injury and needs the Ajigawa myoseki soon

No hope? We've had cases where shares were vacated as a precaution and then it took years until they were actually needed.

[Gurowake 4,151]

14 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

No hope? We've had cases where shares were vacated as a precaution and then it took years until they were actually needed.

I agree.  The likelihood of Chiyootori retiring before Aminishiki is approximately the likelihood that I suffocate while sitting here due to all the oxygen randomly ending up on the other side of the room.  I might imagine there was a rush to try to get the loan from the new owner of Sanoyama because of how young Chiyootori is.  It is somewhat remarkable that despite all the sekitori they have these days Kokonoe-beya didn't have anyone closer to retirement that was deserving of that share.

[rhyen 1,858]

Chiyotairyu?

[Benevolance 2,534]

I'm sure Chiyotairyu could have pulled something to get it done, but I really can't envision him going forward with it. 

[Asashosakari 20,250]

1 hour ago, Benevolance said:

I'm sure Chiyotairyu could have pulled something to get it done, but I really can't envision him going forward with it. 

It just wasn't a situation where push comes to shove.

[Benihana 1,972]

I have a question regarding the mandatory retirement age. I thought it was 65 years, but when i checked the list of sumo elders i found 1 exception.

Why does beloved Furiwake have to retire at 59?

Wrong date in the database? Special rule for robots? Nerd-bashing?