Extraordinary happening

[Zentoryu 154]

Common sense tells me that the chain reaction goes all the way down to jonokouchi.

Not really, since the day 9 schedule for the lower divisions can't be made until the day 8 bouts are decided anyway. It will only effect Juryo, and only slightly at that since I doubt the day 9 Juryo schedule was even finalized at the time of the Makuuchi Torikumi announcement for that day. They will just proceed as usual whenever someone goes kyujo.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Zentoryu

[Hakuyobaku 33]

OK, issue resolved. Chain Reaction broken.

Jejima

So it is a red card after all.

Well it's more like a yellow card (sin bin) in rugby, no?

[SalParadise 0]

Chiyotaikai isn't exactly the model of a calm and collected guy who leaves everything on the dohyo mind you. If you've read any articles about him, or seen interviews about his childhood on TV, he points out that he's always had a rage problem since he was a little kid.

They both screwed up. Roho has had an issue with doing things the 'Japanese' way ever since I've seen him up in Makuuchi. He went well above and beyond his previous screwups this time, and I'm glad to see that he's been punished. I can't say I'm shocked he flew off the handle, I'm just shocked to the degree.

I'm not really shocked that Chiyotaikai had a hand in it either, though I had higher expectations of proper conduct from him, being an Ozeki, being older, and knowing that he's supposed to set a good example as a 'sempai.' Tsk tsk on him, and I suspect he'll get a strong talking to behind closed doors at a later date.

As far as the steroids issue, I think that there's quite likely an issue with it in sumo (for obvious reasons, bulking up is beneficial to many wrestlers, and things that help that process along would certainly be beneficial). However, I don't think that complexion of the face is the best way to look at it, rather checking the back for it is far more telling according to many of the people who know about doping (specifically baseball players). A person with no acne on their face, but who have it on their back at the age of 30 is far more suspect than someone with acne on their face, none on their back, who's 21 (like Ama). After all, 21 isn't too old for people to struggle with acne, whereas 30 is usually pushing it.

[Jejima 1,494]

OK, issue resolved. Chain Reaction broken.

Jejima

So it is a red card after all.

Well it's more like a yellow card (sin bin) in rugby, no?

I was thinking along the lines of a three match suspension (or three bouts) as a punishment for receiving a red card. But that is looking at it as though each day is an individual / isolated occurence.

I guess your analogy might be better, as he can still take part in this tournament.

[Bix Poku 1]

Acne problem may just be bad skin type (even in age of 40), but then it must be continious (same bad skin from teenage to middle-age). I think here we talk about sudden change to acne of grown-ups.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Bix Poku

[Mark Buckton 1]

the latest news as of July 16

East Maegashira #3 Roho (Otake Beya)

has withdrawn the 8th day of the July Tournament

平成18年7月16日更新

・東前頭三枚目　露鵬（大嶽部屋）　

中日から休場いたします。

why would NHK announce a 3 day absence and the NSK leave it at the above? The English side makes sense in that it is probably taken as a 'standard phrase to be trotted out several times a basho' but the 日本語??

[Kintamayama 47,222]

Well, everything happened as I expected and as should have, except I would have thrown Rohou out for the rest of the basho. The rest is moot.

[Kintamayama 47,222]

However, Kintamayama again provides us with a fine performance as the antagonistic goodie-two-shoes that you mostly agree with, but who you can't help but want to throttle at some juncture. Quite a well developed character.

I give it 4 stars.

I do not wish to be throttled. Maybe I am a goodie two shoes. I never thought of that this way, and never thought I was perceived as such.

Perhaps you are right and I have learned something on this terrible day.

[Itchygao 0]

As far as the steroids issue, I think that there's quite likely an issue with it in sumo (for obvious reasons, bulking up is beneficial to many wrestlers, and things that help that process along would certainly be beneficial). However, I don't think that complexion of the face is the best way to look at it, rather checking the back for it is far more telling according to many of the people who know about doping (specifically baseball players). A person with no acne on their face, but who have it on their back at the age of 30 is far more suspect than someone with acne on their face, none on their back, who's 21 (like Ama). After all, 21 isn't too old for people to struggle with acne, whereas 30 is usually pushing it.

Yes! Thank you very much for jarring my feeble mind. The exact Ama discussion revolved around his added muscular bulk AND his BODY acne. I believe this talk occured the basho just prior to

the one where he ,Ama, showed up with the "cup marks" all over his back from the Chinese treatment he had received.

I've never noticed Roho's back either way. Of course up until now I never had noticed his rage. I'll give it

as much scrutiny as my recorder & zoom feature allow if/when he returns after the 3 day suspension.

Again thank you for coming forward and adding technical clarification to my post. My inaccuracy was unintentional.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Itchygao

[Kintamayama 47,222]

This is the first time ever that a suspension comes as a result of actions outside the dohyo. Head of public relations Takasago :" A lot of ideas for the correct punishment came up, but we decided on this ." "I am feeling very sorry. These are my own actions, I did a bad thing and there's nothing to be done. I didn't do it on purpose (injured the photographer) but I guess I went overboard a bit.. From now on I shall be more careful..", said Rohou. "Thank you for this light punishment. If you can't control yourself you can't be a rikishi. I will be reflecting on this heavily, and plan to discuss this with him once more and correct his ways", added Otake Oyakata.

It also says that Otake Oyakata will receive a 10% cut in his salary for three months. I THINK that's what it says.. I have lost my confidence in everything now.

　日本相撲協会は１６日、愛知県体育館で理事会を開き、大相撲名古屋場所７日目の１５日に新聞社の男性カメラマン２人に暴行を加えた東前頭３枚目の露鵬（２６）に１６日の８日目から３日間の出場停止処分、師匠の大嶽親方（元関脇貴闘力）に１０％の減俸３カ月の処分を下した。

[ilovesumo 12]

Guess these 10% go to the camera man?!

[Fujisan 535]

Am I the only one who thinks that Kinta may be having a laugh on us? I never know when he's being sarcastic or not.

Of course,If I thought he was serious I would have done my best Roho impression long ago but still the opinions he expresses are real enough.

Me I'm not saying Roho was right to act the way he did,only that sometimes in the heat of the moment you do things you later regret.

No amout of training and teaching the finer points of etiquette can turn people into robots.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Fujisan

[Odoriou 0]

How serious is Roho's hand injury, by the way? :-|

My guess is that it would take 3 days to heal... (Laughing...)

[Kintamayama 47,222]

Reporters and photographers are now banned from the passageway in front of the rikishi's bath, Riji office and Shimpan office, essentially the places where the trouble was yesterday. "These places are narrow and rikishi pass each other there, and I don't want scenes like yesterday to happen again. In order to relieve unnecessary tensions, we have decided on this for the time being", said Rijicho. Additionally, a note was pinned on the shitakubeya doors, essentially demanding the rikishi to shape up and start acting like rikishi again, on and off the dohyo.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,222]

Isenoumi Oyakata announces the verdict:

BTW, there is no suspension rule in the books, but seeing as this is a special case, that was the punishment decided upon.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Zeokage 0]

Anyone think the banzuke-making group might be a little "harsh" on Roho for the next basho?

[Shibouyama 1]

Anyone think the banzuke-making group might be a little "harsh" on Roho for the next basho?

He deserves much more than harsh! He deserves to be demoted back down to jonokuchi, then forced to fight all his bouts with 5 pound weights hanging from each testicle and giant crabs clinging to each nipple , then after a match instead of taking a bath he should be made to lie on a bed of nails with Konishiki sitting on his chest and Miyabiyama's sweaty armpit, flab flap sweat wiping hand towel placed over his face while having to listen to recordings of Takamisakari singing old enka tunes, THEN after a million, billion years of this he should be kicked out of sumo completely!!!!!

Hmmm..... blink, blink Wha? Huh? ..,.,..,?,,..?? Hmm.. Who am I? mumble, mumble, What's happening? ..?? Oh my god. That was horrible. Ooohh. For a moment there I was possesed by a transient poltergeist known as Kintamayama.

(Laughing...)

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

Anyone think the banzuke-making group might be a little "harsh" on Roho for the next basho?

Nothing outside the allowed boundaries. Missing three days may cause a bad score anyway. I wonder if today counts as miss... I don't think so maybe, making the fusenpai another loss to overcome.

[Kintamayama 47,222]

Anyone think the banzuke-making group might be a little "harsh" on Roho for the next basho?

Nothing outside the allowed boundaries. Missing three days may cause a bad score anyway. I wonder if today counts as miss... I don't think so maybe, making the fusenpai another loss to overcome.

Paper says he will be back for the last 5 days, meaning probably day 11.

[Fay 1,677]

Later, in the Rijicho's office, Rohou was asked to shake Chiyotaikai's hand as an act of reconciliation. He hesitated and answered back. That's when his shishou Otake Oyakata (ex-Takatouriki) smacked him one across the face, forcing him to shake that hand.

Nobody seems to be irritated by this...

Besides Roho and Taikai ... are people really wondering that there is only a small rising sumo generation in Japan?

You're grown-up (even worse when you are a child or a very young man), you make a mistake (or your Oyakata thinks so) and he is allowed to smack you across your face??? And then you bow and say thank you for the punishment, you're right, forgive me, I will do better next time ...

This is mediaeval and disgracing, nobody deserves such a treatment and to accept this has nothing to do with showing respect or with the beauty of sumo.

But this is only a naive european feeling ...

[Shakuyaku 0]

Later, in the Rijicho's office, Rohou was asked to shake Chiyotaikai's hand as an act of reconciliation. He hesitated and answered back. That's when his shishou Otake Oyakata (ex-Takatouriki) smacked him one across the face, forcing him to shake that hand.

Nobody seems to be irritated by this...

Besides Roho and Taikai ... are people really wondering that there is only a small rising sumo generation in Japan?

You're grown-up (even worse when you are a child or a very young man), you make a mistake (or your Oyakata thinks so) and he is allowed to smack you across your face??? And then you bow and say thank you for the punishment, you're right, forgive me, I will do better next time ...

This is mediaeval and disgracing, nobody deserves such a treatment and to accept this has nothing to do with showing respect or with the beauty of sumo.

But this is only a naive european feeling ...

Unfortunally, maybe it is just a naive european feeling. I know thatKotonowaka's father in law, who was oyakata at Sadotake-beya before Kotonowaka left the doyho to become oyakata Sadotake, was not shy from disciplining his trainees with brute force if nescessary.

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

Later, in the Rijicho's office, Rohou was asked to shake Chiyotaikai's hand as an act of reconciliation. He hesitated and answered back. That's when his shishou Otake Oyakata (ex-Takatouriki) smacked him one across the face, forcing him to shake that hand.

Nobody seems to be irritated by this...

Not me, no. That's exactly what I expected Otake to do in that situation. On the contrary, I would have been more upset if he let that misbehaviour of his deshi pass unpunished.

[Fay 1,677]

Unfortunally, maybe it is just a naive european feeling. I know thatKotonowaka's father in law, who was oyakata at Sadotake-beya before Kotonowaka left the doyho to become oyakata Sadotake, was not shy from disciplining his trainees with brute force if nescessary.

Even former Sadogatake Oyakata can be wrong, there's only one person in universe who can't ... (Laughing...)

[Kintamayama 47,222]

But this is only a naive european feeling ...

You got it. That's the way it has always been , is and will be. This is nothing new, this is what sumo centers around. Sumo is not about cute rikishi. Get real, Europe.

Edited July 16, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

Later, in the Rijicho's office, Rohou was asked to shake Chiyotaikai's hand as an act of reconciliation. He hesitated and answered back. That's when his shishou Otake Oyakata (ex-Takatouriki) smacked him one across the face, forcing him to shake that hand.

Nobody seems to be irritated by this...

Besides Roho and Taikai ... are people really wondering that there is only a small rising sumo generation in Japan?

You're grown-up (even worse when you are a child or a very young man), you make a mistake (or your Oyakata thinks so) and he is allowed to smack you across your face??? And then you bow and say thank you for the punishment, you're right, forgive me, I will do better next time ...

This is mediaeval and disgracing, nobody deserves such a treatment and to accept this has nothing to do with showing respect or with the beauty of sumo.

But this is only a naive european feeling ...

Unfortunately it might be the essence of Japanese scoiety philosophy of elders and juniors. The smacking of the face aside, I don't believe things are much different in any traditionally run Japanese corporate. Since sumo is the epitome of physicality anyway, beating the deshi up is just an extension of that.

So, basically this might be a naive European feeling, yes...