Basho Talk Hatsu 2018 (SPOILERS)

[Taikoubana 143]

This is shaping up to be a historic basho! And nearly 10 years after Kotooshu's yusho too. I'm rooting for Tochi to finish 14-1.

Anyone else feel the aftershocks of Takayasu's tachi-ai? I don't think I've ever seen him hit so hard.

[yorikiried by fate 1,987]

Mods: Please change the thread title to "One-liner live bout commentary Hatsu 2018 (BABBLE)" 

[robnplunder 974]

10 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

The only thing worse than Aminishiki and Terunofuji returning was having them in back to back matches today. It was really sad to watch.

Nah, the worse thing is to watch Ami & Teruno go at each other.  

[charliki 14]

In your opinion, who will be the opponent of Tochinoshin on the 15th day? 

Edited January 26, 2018 by charliki

[Jakusotsu 5,739]

57 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Nah, the worse thing is to watch Ami & Teruno go at each other.  

Didn't know there's a playoff for worst place.

[dada78641 884]

2 hours ago, Taikoubana said:

This is shaping up to be a historic basho! And nearly 10 years after Kotooshu's yusho too. I'm rooting for Tochi to finish 14-1.

Anyone else feel the aftershocks of Takayasu's tachi-ai? I don't think I've ever seen him hit so hard.

I only saw the bout live once, but I remember thinking Arawashi actually looked like he was pulling back during the tachi-ai. I'm sure he wasn't, but that was a perfect example of how ridiculously hard Takayasu's cannonball tachi-ai is when it's on point.

[dada78641 884]

1 hour ago, charliki said:

In your opinion, who will be the opponent of Tochinoshin on the 15th day? 

Tomorrow will be Shohouzan. On the final day I'm thinking either Hokutofuji or Chiyotairyuu. Doubt they'd give him two "easy" opponents in a row under these circumstances, especially since Kakuryuu has self destructed.

[Edwardoho 23]

If Tochinoshin manages to pull this off then what’s his rank likely to be in the next basho?

You can do it Tochino!!!

[Munjeezy 60]

1 minute ago, Uk.sumo.fan said:

If Tochinoshin manages to pull this off then what’s his rank likely to be in the next basho?

You can do it Tochino!!!

Yusho or not he will be sekiwake

[VirtualSumo 3]

9 minutes ago, Uk.sumo.fan said:

If Tochinoshin manages to pull this off then what’s his rank likely to be in the next basho?

He will be Sekiwake as Munjeezy says.  What is still to be determined is how many wins he can carry forward from this basho to contribute to his certain bid to become Ozeki after the March and May tournaments.  14 wins here and it is a real possibility on anything close to this form.  Or do his wins have to all come from a sanyaku rank - in which case 14 wins makes no odds here?

Edited January 26, 2018 by VirtualSumo

[Munjeezy 60]

5 minutes ago, VirtualSumo said:

He will be Sekiwake as Munjeezy says.  What is still to be determined is how many wins he can carry forward from this basho to contribute to his certain bid to become Ozeki after the March and May tournaments.  14 wins here and it is a real possibility on anything close to this form.  Or do his wins have to all come from a sanyaku rank - in which case 14 wins makes no odds here?

If I’m not mistaken it’s only wins from sanyaku, but if I’m wrong someone please correct me, I’m not sure the last rank and filer to win a yusho was even an upper Maegashira as is the case with our M3 Tochinoshin 

[serge_gva 52]

3 hours ago, charliki said:

In your opinion, who will be the opponent of Tochinoshin on the 15th day? 

I think it will  be between Chiyotairyu an Endo. Chiyotairyu has Yoshikaze on day 14. He can go 7-7 a be a good contender if he delivers a powerful tachi-ai like he does 2-3 times per basho. Otherwise, if Endo goes 9-5 against Kagayaki, he will have a good claim at a sanyaku spot (unless if Tamawashi wins his last two bouts). In these two cases both Chiyotairyu and Endo will be good opponents.

As usual, it's too bad that they decide the day-15 matchups before day-14 results...

Edited January 26, 2018 by serge_gva

[Morty 1,477]

5 minutes ago, Munjeezy said:

If I’m not mistaken it’s only wins from sanyaku, but if I’m wrong someone please correct me, I’m not sure the last rank and filer to win a yusho was even an upper Maegashira as is the case with our M3 Tochinoshin 

Terunofuji went 8-7 at M2, then 13-2 Jun-yusho and 12-3 yusho, both at Sekiwake. So this one will count, if he can back it up with another two at Sekiwake. Which, while I would like it to happen, isn't a given.

[serge_gva 52]

I think 14-1 at M3, and then 10-5 and 9-6 (or 9-6 and 10-5) will not be enough, despite the 33 wins. Even 14-1 (M3) - 10-5 - 10-5 will not be enough IMO. From 35 wins, maybe his 14-1 Y in M3 can enter into consideration.

Edited January 26, 2018 by serge_gva

[Jyuunomori 226]

Looking forward to 13-2 or 14-1 Yusho. Crossing fingers for 10 wins next basho. 

I would like Tochinoshin as an Ozeki.

 

Edited January 26, 2018 by Jyuunomori

[orandashoho 720]

11 hours ago, Fukurou said:

Rather than fitting usage into one of the dictionary references, just think of TPTB is "the ones in charge".  YMMV on "in charge" of what, or if they're only "in charge" in theory (or their own minds)

TPTB ("The Powers That Be") is a rather curious term referring to what one percieves to be the decision makesrs of the day and the powerlessness of people like me and you to influence them.
Using the term generally implies some dissatisfaction with the decisions or the process.

[Jakusotsu 5,739]

8 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

Using the term generally implies some dissatisfaction with the decisions or the process.

Nah, I was just lazy...

[Atenzan 1,074]

17 minutes ago, serge_gva said:

I think 14-1 at M3, and then 10-5 and 9-6 (or 9-6 and 10-5) will not be enough, despite the 33 wins. Even 14-1 (M3) - 10-5 - 10-5 will not be enough IMO. From 35 wins, maybe his 14-1 Y in M3 can enter into consideration.

What? Doesn't work that way. You have to face a full san'yaku schedule in all 3 basho, I believe is the rule. Effectively, if you're in the top 16 of the banzuke you're guaranteed to be OK, which Tochinoshin is. 

14-10-9 won't go because he has to have 10+ in his last basho before promotion. 14-10-10 definitely goes. If it doesn't I'll eat my shoes. 14-9-10 also should go, I'm almost dead sure. 35 wins? Where does that come from? 

[Jakusotsu 5,739]

3 minutes ago, McBugger said:

35 wins? Where does that come from? 

Not from here, that's for sure.

[RabidJohn 1,629]

Although thoroughly pleased with his emphatic win over Kakuryu today, I couldn't help feeling slightly concerned that there's a Mitak-A-umi and a Mitak-B-umi...

Another awesome display of controlled power from Tochinoshin today. "No, my Mongolian friend, you're not taking a nap on my shoulder!" Got the bit between his teeth now - I hope he doesn't stumble at the last two hurdles.

To add my two pennorth to the inevitable promotion talk, I think a 14-1 or 13-2 yusho from M3 will certain count as the start of an ozeki run if he can follow up with a double digit score in March. And following that up with another in May is an even bigger if. As I keep saying, I don't trust his knee to carry him that far. Still, I never thought Takayasu could complete a successful run, so what do I know?

I've been enjoying the two newcomers too. Both with 9 wins using two completely different styles. Abi's is very reminiscent of his shisho.

Edited January 26, 2018 by RabidJohn

[Benihana 1,900]

Ikioi...stealing candies from a toddler would've been harder for Aminishiki. 

[charliki 14]

The maegashira who have won a yusho over the last 25 years:

- 1998.11 Kotonishiki - M12w - 14-1 (his second)

- 2000.03 Takatoriki - M14e - 13-2

- 2001.09 Kotomitsuki - M2e - 13-2

- 2012.05 Kyokutenho - M7w - 12-3

Only Kotomitsuki was Joi-Jin and became ozeki. 

As a Joi-Jin, a yusho would be even more beautiful for Tochinoshin.

Edited January 26, 2018 by charliki

[ryafuji 806]

7 minutes ago, charliki said:

The maegashira who have won a yusho over the last 25 years:

- 1998.11 Kotonishiki - M12w (his second)

- 2000.03 Takatoriki - M14e

- 2001.09 Kotomitsuki - M2e

- 2012.05 Kyokutenho - M7w

Only Kotomitsuki was Joi-Jin and became ozeki. 

As a Joi-Jin, it would be even more beautiful for Tochinoshin.

Interesting that you choose 25 years as a cut-off because there were a whole bunch in the early 90s - Kotofuji and Kotonishiki in '91, Takahanada and Mitoizumi in '92.

[charliki 14]

It's because I like sumo since 25 ans 

[yorikiried by fate 1,987]

27 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

Interesting that you choose 25 years as a cut-off because there were a whole bunch in the early 90s - Kotofuji and Kotonishiki in '91, Takahanada and Mitoizumi in '92.

What's the fucking difference? It's rare. It's a little less rare when the respective YokOzeki of the era are absent and/or in decline.

 

Re: general Tochinoshin-Ozeki-talk: premature as in "grass is premature cheese".