Basho Talk - Hatsu Basho 2017 ** (SPOILERS)

[sesom 55]

7 minutes ago, Jyuunomori said:

You people are so silly, I love you guys.

Yes, and we realized it. Maybe you read the thread before you write some old news.

[robnplunder 978]

Whatever Ura did, it looked great!

[Rocks 1,810]

Man, I thought when Chiyosoma missed the pull and Ichinojo got his belt Ichi had him but somehow Chiyosoma wriggled Ichi down. Chiyosoma is a slippery guy.

[Rocks 1,810]

Hakuho looks like he's in pain. He could lose here.

[robnplunder 978]

47 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Man, I thought when Chiyosoma missed the pull and Ichinojo got his belt Ichi had him but somehow Chiyosoma wriggled Ichi down. Chiyosoma is a slippery guy.

Ichi had him and it is amazing how easily Chiyoshoma pushed much heavier Ichi back.   

Teruno looked really, really bad against Endo.   If he does not shape up (be it injury, or whatever), he will lose his Ozeki ranking in the next basho.

The slapper (Takanoiwa) got slapped into its rightful place.   Now, it's down to Kise & Hak for sure.  

[Rocks 1,810]

Hak looked better after the match. Maybe he was just nervous. Terunofuji always gives up after he's MKed. No surprise with Endo easy win.

[robnplunder 978]

Hak got the moves.   Even with a win lead over Hak, Kise's yusho is not a sure thing.  But I think the stars are aligned for Kise to finally lift the Yusho trophy.

Edited January 20, 2017 by robnplunder

[Mihasan 13]

I think Kisenosato will still find a way to lose, i just don't see him wining the Yusho.
 

[Senkoho 552]

10 minutes ago, Mihasan said:

I think Kisenosato will still find a way to lose, i just don't see him wining the Yusho.
 

not that difficult - he only needs to lose to Hakuho twice

[Iginishiki2 8]

I really hope Kise makes it this time. Anything can happen, still, and in any case it's far too early to jump aboard the Yokozuna hype train, but he is the best Ozeki in the current roster, hands down, and it would be a well deserved Yusho for him.

[Morty 1,518]

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why Hak was, is, and remains, the Man. 

Takayasu seems to have taken his sumo to another level recently. I know his first Ozeki run failed but I can see it being successful soon. He had all the answers against Takanoiwa today and has had for most of this basho ( and the few preceding this one). 

And at this point I'd put money on Endo getting his first KK at this level (nobody PM me for a bet - gambling is a mugs game and that is just a figure of speech)

[YoungSumo 93]

Looks like it will come down to Kise vs Hak for sure now. 

Quick side note: Shoudai is not the next Ozeki, Takayasu is. 

[Morty 1,518]

27 minutes ago, YoungSumo said:

 

Quick side note: Shoudai is not the next Ozeki, Takayasu is. 

Agreed (at this point)

 

[YoungSumo 93]

There is always room for change and Shoudai could very well be the first of the young guys to reach Ozeki but with the way he's performing compared to his peers I just don't see it. 26 year old Terunofuji is already an Ozeki to start with, Takayasu has performed very well at the San'Yaku ranks and will continue his Ozeki run next basho and Mitakeumi has also outperformed Shoudai lately. 

I definitely believe he'll make it to Ozeki one day but I have a feeling it'll take longer than most people think.

[Dwale 419]

Hakuho is so fast, so strong... One can't help but marvel from time to time.

The Ura win was really cool. Takayasu continuing to shine. He's always had great toukon, but it seems that he's transcended his previous limitations. Proud of him.

Chiyoshoma's a pretty well-rounded wrestler. Could easily see this guy as a joi mainstay once he gets some more polish on 'im.

Kotoyuki managed to stave off MK. You know, I like him, but if he continues to henka as much as he did this basho, that'll change. Looked good today, at least.

 

[Akinomaki 41,733]

1 hour ago, YoungSumo said:

Looks like it will come down to Kise vs Hak for sure now. 

Quick side note: Shoudai is not the next Ozeki, Takayasu is. 

Don't underestimate Tamawashi. If he keeps improving like lately, he'll replace Terunofuji.

[Bumpkin 438]

The whole next Ozeki thing is interesting. There is Kotoshogiku, Terunofuji, Tamawashi, Takayasu and Mitakumi all ahead of Shodai right now. Should be interesting.

[Akinomaki 41,733]

10 hours ago, sesom said:

Ura did Tasukizori ...

the last time it was performed in Makuuchi or Juryo was 1951!

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&m=on&j=on&kimarite=47

It was the first time ever to get officially published as kimarite by the NSK for a sekitori bout: the NSK started that 1955.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Akinomaki

[robnplunder 978]

1 hour ago, Dwale said:

Chiyoshoma's a pretty well-rounded wrestler. Could easily see this guy as a joi mainstay once he gets some more polish on 'im.

He does not have the imposing physical size or strength. With a few kilograms of weight gain in the right places, I can see him being the next Mongolian Ozeki. 

I saw a flesh of younger Icinojo in this basho.   If Ichinojoi can go back to what he was once (lighter & quicker), he'd also challenge for an Ozeki ranking.  

We talked often about young Japanese hopefuls like Mitakeumi, Shodai, Endo but Mongolians have their next batch of hopefuls as well. 

Edited January 20, 2017 by robnplunder

[Dwale 419]

7 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

He does not have the imposing physical size or strength. With a few kilograms of weight gain in the right places, I can see him being the next Mongolian Ozeki.  I saw a flesh of younger Icinojo in this basho.   If he can go back to what he was once (lighter & quicker), he'd also challenge for an Ozeki ranking.   We talked about young Japanese hopefuls like Mitakeumi, Shodai, Endo but Mongolians have their next batch of hopefuls as well. 

I agree that he should (and think he will) come in heavier as the seasons progress. And you are of course correct about the Mongolian hopefuls. Chiyoshoma has some of that flexibility we see from the top-ranked Mongolian rikishi. He should gain weight, but I think the experience and confidence that will come with the years is even more important.

The one thing he must have is the tenacity to throw himself against whatever obstacles he may face again and again, until he overcomes them. And that, I don't know about. I only started paying attention to him when he made it to makuuchi. But if he has that, then I do think he'll do well.

[Ahogeyama 8]

Can we give Ura the Gino-sho this tournament? C'mon. Do it.

[dingo 1,475]

Ishiura has really only himself to blame for his loss against Gagamaru. He should know very well that with their weight difference if would be stupid to go straight at him. He should also know very well that Gagamaru (who will be the next Ozeki btw) has very little lateral movement. So all Ishiura had to do was to put 1 and 1 together and use his agility, but instead he went in without a plan and thought he can push Gagamaru out... 

Terunofuji vs Endo was not so much the former's helplessness than the latter's excellent move. Endo really did well there. 

 

Edited January 20, 2017 by dingo

[robnplunder 978]

1 hour ago, Dwale said:

I agree that he should (and think he will) come in heavier as the seasons progress. And you are of course correct about the Mongolian hopefuls. Chiyoshoma has some of that flexibility we see from the top-ranked Mongolian rikishi. He should gain weight, but I think the experience and confidence that will come with the years is even more important.

The one thing he must have is the tenacity to throw himself against whatever obstacles he may face again and again, until he overcomes them. And that, I don't know about. I only started paying attention to him when he made it to makuuchi. But if he has that, then I do think he'll do well.

Chiyoshoma has steadily improved in the last 8 bashos.

[Akinomaki 41,733]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

10 hours ago, sesom said:

Ura did Tasukizori ...

the last time it was performed in Makuuchi or Juryo was 1951!

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&m=on&j=on&kimarite=47

It was the first time ever to get officially published as kimarite by the NSK for a sekitori bout: the NSK started that for 1955.

Ura is officially the first to show this kimarite as sekitori, older data are unofficial - kimarite data before Natsu 1955 in the database thus can't be trusted.

Articles also name not 1951 but Jan. 1952 (Haru) as a former occurrence: Tsunenoyama vs. Ouchiyama: that is a tsutaezori in the database.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Akinomaki

[YoungSumo 93]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Don't underestimate Tamawashi. If he keeps improving like lately, he'll replace Terunofuji.

Tamawashi doesn't have a long track record of consistent performances and he's already 32. Even if he wins his last 2 bouts here he'd still need 13 wins next basho for his promotion and I highly doubt he can produce a performance as dominant as that at such a high rank. I'm not counting him out but I think it's very unlikely he'll reach Ozeki.