Terunofuji situation - Kyushu 2023

[Kintamayama 45,565]

Injured Yokozuna Terunofuji has not decided if he will be entering Kyushu yet. Today at the jungyo, he did some butsugari with Meisei. "I haven't really done any sumo lately so I'm not sure of my condition. I feel I'm not ready to train with others yet but I have been moving my body and am doing everything I can at this juncture " he said. He has  fractured a part of his hip bone as well.

I think he will be out for the third straight basho.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Yarimotsu 596]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

He has  fractured a part of his hip bone as well.

Is this now confirmed, or is it the same "fractured vertebrae / vertebral plate" discussion from earlier? Confusion seems to be stemming from Japanese "koshi" = hip/lower torso in general

[Akinomaki 40,833]

52 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

Is this now confirmed, or is it the same "fractured vertebrae / vertebral plate" discussion from earlier? Confusion seems to be stemming from Japanese "koshi" = hip/lower torso in general

Nothing is confirmed, but the later articles all use koshibone=hipbone and not just koshi no hone=bone of the hip, which makes it more likely that it's actually the hipbone. And since they report "also a hipbone fracture", it indicates that it's something additional: fractured vertebrae is more or less part of the previous problem and would usually be called differently.

[Koorifuu 1,020]

This isn't necessarily a translation problem when those sources are (apparently) keeping it vague on purpose. I imagine that there's Japanese people speculating about this, as well.

[Kintamayama 45,565]

17 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Nothing is confirmed, but the later articles all use koshibone=hipbone and not just koshi no hone=bone of the hip, which makes it more likely that it's actually the hipbone. And since they report "also a hipbone fracture", it indicates that it's something additional: fractured vertebrae is more or less part of the previous problem and would usually be called differently.

腰骨の一部 -like I said, part of the hip bone. Whatever the hell that means.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,276]

On 29/10/2023 at 10:29, Akinomaki said:

Nothing is confirmed, but the later articles all use koshibone=hipbone and not just koshi no hone=bone of the hip, which makes it more likely that it's actually the hipbone. And since they report "also a hipbone fracture", it indicates that it's something additional: fractured vertebrae is more or less part of the previous problem and would usually be called differently.

I'm not so sure about that, since google image search of koshibone and koshinohone return basically the exact same pictures of the hip+lower back area.

 

[Kintamayama 45,565]

On 31/10/2023 at 00:53, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I'm not so sure about that, since google image search of koshibone and koshinohone return basically the exact same pictures of the hip+lower back area.

 

Same word. The "no" equals the difference between hone and bone,  just like Takasago no heya, is equal to Takasago-beya.

[I am the Yokozuna 194]

Does not look good for him. Hope he considers his future health when he makes a decision on what would be the best thing to do next. 

[Kintamayama 45,565]

Terunofuji arrived in Kyushu and started training, facing heyamate Takarafuji for 11 bouts, won them all, 10 by yorikiri. "I think I'm gradually getting better. I will see how i'm doing and decide if I'm entering Kyushu," he said. "I know that my body is not the kind that heals quickly so I need double the time to get ready," he added. "He is training and is here with the intention of entering Kyushu," said Isegahama Oyakata.

[Reonito 1,531]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Terunofuji arrived in Kyushu and started training, facing heyamate Takarafuji for 11 bouts, won them all, 10 by yorikiri. "I think I'm gradually getting better. I will see how i'm doing and decide if I'm entering Kyushu," he said. "I know that my body is not the kind that heals quickly so I need double the time to get ready," he added. "He is training and is here with the intention of entering Kyushu," said Isegahama Oyakata.

Is your translation still "no way he enters"?

[Kintamayama 45,565]

5 hours ago, Reonito said:

Is your translation still "no way he enters"?

Totally. You disagree?

[Reonito 1,531]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Totally. You disagree?

No, I totally defer to you on interpreting these statements, was just curious if the latest statements had done anything to change your view.

[Seiyashi 4,108]

(also, pssst, GKA) 

[Yamanashi 3,911]

Even us hicks know that if he said, "I'm not feeling strong; I'll probably not enter the tournament", the YDC etc. would tut-tut up a storm.

However, if he says, "I'm listening to my body and gambarizing® so I can start the basho", then at the last possible minute the Oyakata can tell them he sternly overrode the Yokozuna and wouldn't let him compete.

Just once, could they come up with something interesting like "he found a rat in the chanko nabe"?

[Bunbukuchagama 776]

Out.

[since_94 650]

Not surprising in the least. Will Hatsu 2024 be the big man’s last hurrah? The final curtain call?

[Katooshu 3,338]

He has damaged his body enough already. It's painful just reading about his injuries. It's not just a knee, but all over his body.

It seems he still has some competitive drive left, but I hope he retires, makes room for Ochil, and begins a long and successful oyakata career. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Katooshu

[WAKATAKE 2,677]

7 hours ago, Katooshu said:

He has damaged his body enough already. It's painful just reading about his injuries. It's not just a knee, but all over his body.

It seems he still has some competitive drive left, but I hope he retires, makes room for Ochil, and begins a long and successful oyakata career. 

Is it possible he's doing what Hakuho did? Wait until there's another one with the rope before calling it?

[dingo 1,303]

2 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Is it possible he's doing what Hakuho did? Wait until there's another one with the rope before calling it?

At this rate that might take years. 

[rhyen 1,846]

3 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Is it possible he's doing what Hakuho did? Wait until there's another one with the rope before calling it?

 No, Hakuho wanted to stay as a Yokozuna until the Tokyo Olympics. The delay just extended his presence.

if they cancelled the olympics outright, instead of postponement, he might have retired immediately. 

[ryafuji 815]

3 hours ago, dingo said:

At this rate that might take years. 

Or it might be after this tournament. 

[dingo 1,303]

On 04/11/2023 at 03:51, Yamanashi said:

Even us hicks know that if he said, "I'm not feeling strong; I'll probably not enter the tournament", the YDC etc. would tut-tut up a storm.

However, if he says, "I'm listening to my body and gambarizing® so I can start the basho", then at the last possible minute the Oyakata can tell them he sternly overrode the Yokozuna and wouldn't let him compete.

Just once, could they come up with something interesting like "he found a rat in the chanko nabe"?

[Akinomaki 40,833]

Terunofuji was interviewed the other day by a Sunday morning show on NTV, on air yesterday - the video was gone by today, I haven't found a proper summary, this is the only useful one http://www.moezine.com/1051471/

He properly explained the injury: the broken/crushed bone at the hip was a vertebra and what was squashed was an intervertebral disc

And very interesting: he presented Takerufuji as makuuchi next basho, not published yet - he himself had scouted him at Tottori Johoku high