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29 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Personally, I don’t think Goeido will go until he’s taken his Ozekiwake shot

You could be right there  - the last ozeki to retire at the rank was Kaio in 2011. All the others demoted since have had a go at the 10-5 comeback, although Kotooshu only lasted one tournament after he failed to be re-promoted.

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1 hour ago, ryafuji said:

Could be seeing both Kotoshogiku and Goeido retire this basho.

Is Goeido owning an elder stock? If not, will he just go away from sumo when he retires?

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9 hours ago, Kiyodōshō said:

I didn't realize Takakeisho was allowed to win by kimarite besides oshidashi...

I can see why you'd think that.  In fact, a quick survey of all the kimarite winning techniques Takakeisho has used since entering the Top Division, oshidashi accounts for 46.6% of those wins (i.e., virtually 1 out of every 2 times he steps on the dohyo).  And while this is the first time he has used kotenage, he has resorted to sukuinage belt-less throws on two occasions.  That is the extent of his throwing game!

Executing a kotenage today, maybe, just maybe, reveals that he is trying to develop his arsenal into something Yokozuna-worthy! ;-)

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3 minutes ago, code_number3 said:

Is Goeido owning an elder stock? If not, will he just go away from sumo when he retires?

Per the sumodb, no, he's not.  However, there may be an arrangement in place somewhere---for instance "everyone" knows that Sokokurai will inhert Arashio-beya on 29 March when current holder retires.  (I don't know if "everyone" is correct, but that was reported somewhere.)  Goeido might have something lined up for eventually, or his stock might just not be known publicly. 

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Just now, Ryoshishokunin said:

Per the sumodb, no, he's not.  However, there may be an arrangement in place somewhere---for instance "everyone" knows that Sokokurai will inhert Arashio-beya on 29 March when current holder retires.  (I don't know if "everyone" is correct, but that was reported somewhere.)  Goeido might have something lined up for eventually, or his stock might just not be known publicly. 

AFAIK, there is some special treatment for former ozeki and yokozuna to become elder using their stage name (by not having their elder stock, yet) for some period of years (5 years for yokozuna, 3 years for ozeki). Will any of our current ex-ozekis will take that chance?

 

On the other note, I think Goeido will try again probably for the last time before he retires in front of his home crowd next basho.

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6 minutes ago, code_number3 said:

AFAIK, there is some special treatment for former ozeki and yokozuna to become elder using their stage name (by not having their elder stock, yet) for some period of years (5 years for yokozuna, 3 years for ozeki). Will any of our current ex-ozekis will take that chance?

 

On the other note, I think Goeido will try again probably for the last time before he retires in front of his home crowd next basho.

Tochinoshin of course is not eligible for that as he’s not a Japanese citizen, but certainly Takayasu and Goeido are. Kotoshogiku doesn’t need to as he has a kabu and Terunofuji (also not eligible until he takes citizenship) presumably plans to continue for a while yet.

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1 hour ago, Kaiowaka said:

Has anyone news about Asakayama oyakata, ex-ozeki Kaio ??? Please give us news of the severity of the injury here.

Asakayama was diagnosed with a sprained right hip joint, about 1 week to fully recover. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20200123/sum20012322110016-n1.html

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6 hours ago, since_94 said:

He was unbelievable tonight against Takayasu. The Kokugikan crowd was completely electrified.

I've seen the result over morning coffee, including the kimarite, but I'm waiting to watch NHK highlights this evening (i.e.- with shochu and senbei!) For any of the remaining doubters, I can't help but point out that Enho has now beaten 3 of the 4 ozeki and sekiwake. It now becomes almost reasonable to postulate an Enho yusho. Maybe Haru, while I'm there? One can only hope! I'm putting in my ticket order today...

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5 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

We need an Ozeki Enho thread! ;)

I am fully supporting Tokushoryu this basho. Go on, lad. Rough bout tomorrow. But you can do it.

Hai, so desu, ne!

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Tokushoryu and Shodai still tied for the lead. God, that is surreal. I haven't been posting much because what could I possibly say about such a wild honbasho? 

Enho likely to kachi-koshi while effectively a joi-jin. wtf

At least Terunofuji is bulldozing his way through juryo. That's how it ought to be.

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You read this here first:

'Takakeisho' and 'kotenage' being written next to each other is going to cause a Butterfly Effect that will soon reshape the world and change the way we know it.

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12 hours ago, Dwale said:

Tokushoryu and Shodai still tied for the lead. God, that is surreal.

Yesterday it was a rare event, that on day 11 two hiramaku are the leaders of the basho - after Natsu 1956 again http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2020012201229&g=spo

But the 2 then had already 2 losses. Futatsuryu lost one more the next day. Ohikari lost the 12-3 playoff and (then ozeki) Wakanohana I won his first yusho.

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3 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Tochinoshin of course is not eligible for that as he’s not a Japanese citizen, but certainly Takayasu and Goeido are. Kotoshogiku doesn’t need to as he has a kabu and Terunofuji (also not eligible until he takes citizenship) presumably plans to continue for a while yet.

I'll certainly be a very sad man when we get the inevitable news that ex-Tenkaiho moved off the Hidenoyama kabu.

And judging by this basho, there's a real possibility it happens within the next month.

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5 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

I'll certainly be a very sad man when we get the inevitable news that ex-Tenkaiho moved off the Hidenoyama kabu.

And judging by this basho, there's a real possibility it happens within the next month.

He could switch to another kabu, as there are a few unused at the moment. Probably a matter of negotiation.

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3 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

I can see why you'd think that.  In fact, a quick survey of all the kimarite winning techniques Takakeisho has used since entering the Top Division, oshidashi accounts for 46.6% of those wins (i.e., virtually 1 out of every 2 times he steps on the dohyo).  And while this is the first time he has used kotenage, he has resorted to sukuinage belt-less throws on two occasions.  That is the extent of his throwing game!

Executing a kotenage today, maybe, just maybe, reveals that he is trying to develop his arsenal into something Yokozuna-worthy! ;-)

One principle of top division sumo seems to be: Stick to what you're good at... at all costs. So why should Abi for example change his style of sumo if it got him into San'Yaku? I'm also fairly certain Takakeisho would be a decent yotsu wrestler if that was his preference. However he is one of the most dominant Oshi specialists I have seen in a while and of course it suits him way better than yotsu sumo. After all Sumo is about winning 15 bouts 6 times a year, that's the goal of every rikishi... And how you do it really isn't the most important question for them I believe.

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10 minutes ago, Raishu said:

He could switch to another kabu, as there are a few unused at the moment. Probably a matter of negotiation.

True.

My underlying point is that this would definitely mean that Kotoshogiku had some news of his own.

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4 hours ago, ryafuji said:

although Kotooshu only lasted one tournament after he failed to be re-promoted.

And man, that was a painful one to watch.

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9 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Top it off? If he wins then that shows me how bad things really are at the moment. 

One needs to make the best of what is happening (has been happening).   None of the rikishi I was rooting for is doing well.   What can one do?  ;-)

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Imagine you just awake from coma since February last year:

Tochinoshin and Takayasu no longer Ozeki.  Goeido failing to save his kadoban status. Mitakeumi no longer in sanyaku. Ichinojo stuck in Juryo. 

Terunofuji climbing the ladder like a rocket.

Enho aiming for sanyaku and deserving it.

I love Sumo.

 

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11 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Yesterday it was a rare event, that on day 11 two hiramaku are the leaders of the basho - after Natsu 1956 again

Today with two hiramaku as the leaders of the basho on day 12, we arrived in "first ever in this era" territory - constant 15 bouts per day, since 1949. Tokushoryu aims for the 2nd ever yusho from the bottom end of makuuchi, after Takatoriki 20 years ago https://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20200124/sum20012405020001-n1.html

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The fireworks the local Uto koenkai of Shodai uses to celebrated his wins are 3000yen a piece, they launch 3 to 8 of those per win, today 8, to celebrate the lead. Should he grab the yusho, 20 are planned. While Tokushoryu would get the 2nd ever yusho for his prefecture, Kumamoto is among the 13 with no yusho yet - the yusho system started in 1909. https://hochi.news/articles/20200123-OHT1T50312.html

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Real disappointing comments regarding Goeido losing his rank. Seems everybody is happy about it.

Yes, he was frustrating to watch at times and should have done better and at least get that Yusho in Sept 2017, but he also produced top Sumo many times (yes, lack of consistency is a fair criticism).

The guy managed to keep his rank for 6 years, saving his rank while fighting injured many times. It should be given some credit now that injuries took the better, instead of celebraiting

 

 

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9 hours ago, yorikiried by fate said:

Watershed: After years of waiting, I was able to witness the rank finally be freed of the last remaining Fauxzeki infestation, that made watching sumo so difficult at times.

 

Watershed is also a great album.

Your alternative ranking system is coming together nicely:

 

Xnjnytmz

Yokozuna

Ozeki

Fauxzeki

 

What comes next??  :-D(Laughing...)

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46 minutes ago, RPedro44 said:

Real disappointing comments regarding Goeido losing his rank. Seems everybody is happy about it.

Yes, he was frustrating to watch at times and should have done better and at least get that Yusho in Sept 2017, but he also produced top Sumo many times (yes, lack of consistency is a fair criticism).

The guy managed to keep his rank for 6 years, saving his rank while fighting injured many times. It should be given some credit now that injuries took the better, instead of celebraiting

 

 

I concur. While not a major Goeido fan, I've certainly respected and admired his solid sumo for the entire five years I've ben watching. Same with Takayasu, really. 

We have been talking about the inevitable changing of the guard here for a couple of years. It was easy to see coming by looking at the ages of all the ozeki and yokozuna from the last few years. But, now is the time. It's happening. The only question is who is strong enough, fast enough, master enough of technique, full enough of fighting spirit to fill the shoes of Hakuho, Kakuryu, Kisenosato, Haramafuji, Goeido and Takayasu? Last summer I'd have said Tochinoshin, Takakeisho and Mitakeumi, but Shodai may have other plans and I'll be pulling for Enho, who is clearly not to be ignored.

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