Nagoya 2019 Discussion (here be spoilers)

[Gurowake 4,011]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

His one loss on Day 4 may cost him a shot at the Makushita championship (as there are a couple of wrestlers with perfect 6-0 records), but he is technically still in the race.

Yes, on a very technical level.  But in reality the two remaining 6-0s are from different stables and aren't particularly far apart in rank either, so one of them will go 7-0.

[dingo 1,212]

A few years ago Kotoshogiku would've finished off Kakuryu from that position. Alas the ex-Ozeki is not the same rikishi he used to be. 

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

On 16/07/2019 at 12:37, Morty said:

 I am only a little guy like Enho [...]

I wish I'd be only a little guy like Enho...

[Amamaniac 2,078]

The Hakuho vs Mitakeumi bout tomorrow is potentially critical.  If Hakuho wants to stay in the championship race, he has to beat the Sekiwake.  But Mitakeumi upset an "injured" (?) Hakuho back in January.  The "healthy" Hakuho 2.0 got his revenge in March.  But here we have an "injured" Hakuho again, and so chances are good that we will see another upset.  

A loss would seriously impede Hakuho's yusho chances, especially if Kakuryu keeps his winning streak alive.

For the sake of maintaining excitement, I hope Hakuho wins, and wins with some display of sumo brilliance.  Heck, he's been fighting this tournament with only one arm, and even that one arm is not 100%.

[luispereira 383]

kakuryu still has the power

[Eikokurai 3,437]

29 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

The Hakuho vs Mitakeumi bout tomorrow is potentially critical.  If Hakuho wants to stay in the championship race, he has to beat the Sekiwake.  But Mitakeumi upset an "injured" (?) Hakuho back in January.  The "healthy" Hakuho 2.0 got his revenge in March.  But here we have an "injured" Hakuho again, and so chances are good that we will see another upset.  

A loss would seriously impede Hakuho's yusho chances, especially if Kakuryu keeps his winning streak alive.

For the sake of maintaining excitement, I hope Hakuho wins, and wins with some display of sumo brilliance.  Heck, he's been fighting this tournament with only one arm, and even that one arm is not 100%.

Tomorrow? It’s today. :)

Mitakeumi struggled to see off a decidedly below par Meisei yesterday, so he’ll need to up his game against Hakuho if he’s to get a win, even with Hakuho in less-than-ideal condition. He’s had a day of rest though.

Edited July 17, 2019 by Eikokurai

[Dwale 419]

I wouldn't count Hakuho out at all, but I am hoping Mitakeumi can give him a loss. Not a yusho thing, I just like Mitakeumi. Speaking of which, I saw on Tachi-Ai's blog that he'll place second for most consecutive basho in sanyaku (without being ozeki or higher). Anyone happen to know who has the record and how long the streak lasted?

[luispereira 383]

7 minutes ago, Dwale said:

I wouldn't count Hakuho out at all, but I am hoping Mitakeumi can give him a loss. Not a yusho thing, I just like Mitakeumi. Speaking of which, I saw on Tachi-Ai's blog that he'll place second for most consecutive basho in sanyaku (without being ozeki or higher). Anyone happen to know who has the record and how long the streak lasted?

check Wakanosato

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=39

crazy!

[Dwale 419]

4 minutes ago, luispereira said:

check Wakanosato

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=39

crazy!

Thanks! Looks like 19 if I counted right. Whereas Mitakeumi will be 16 next basho if Tachiai counted right. You know, I'd rather that he make ozeki rather that break that record, but at this point I'll take what I can get.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Wakanosato holds the record (as already answered above) for the combined junior sanyaku ranks at 19 consecutive basho. That was five at Komusubi and 14 at Sekiwake. For Sekiwake only it’s Goeido with 14, who is the only one in the top ten to have done his consecutive streak all at that rank (no Komusubi appearances counted). Mitakeumi is now at 15 for the two ranks together.

Edited July 17, 2019 by Eikokurai

[luispereira 383]

Ichinojo has 8 kinboshi!

[Benevolance 2,482]

I hope Hak wins. I mean, eventually he's got to run out of family and friends he can give cars to, and then he'll give one to me. 

[luispereira 383]

9 minutes ago, Dwale said:

Thanks! Looks like 19 if I counted right. Whereas Mitakeumi will be 16 next basho if Tachiai counted right. You know, I'd rather that he make ozeki rather that break that record, but at this point I'll take what I can get.

yes, I want him to migrate to Ozeki! it's time for the "run"!

[Eikokurai 3,437]

14 minutes ago, luispereira said:

Ichinojo has 8 kinboshi!

Which makes him the shared record holder among active rikishi (only with Yoshikaze now that Aminishiki has retired).

Of course, it’s all an indicator that Ichinojo has spent more time in the upper-Maegashira ranks than the sanyaku where he ought to be.

[luispereira 383]

4 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Which makes him the shared record holder among active rikishi (only with Yoshikaze now that Aminishiki has retired).

Of course, it’s all an indicator that Ichinojo has spent more time in the upper-Maegashira ranks than the sanyaku where he ought to be.

he's a mountain, as to be slow and steady up ! well..not quite steady but go ichinojo!

Edited July 18, 2019 by luispereira

[CT3* 331]

I've watched the Terutsuyoshi vs Nishikigi bout several times and it seems crystal clear that after the two matta, Terustuyoshi didn't even bother to touch his hands down before the tachi-ai. Not even close

[robnplunder 975]

6 hours ago, dingo said:

. Alas the ex-Ozeki is not the same rikishi he used to be. 

He hasn't been since he lost his Ozeki rank.  He only shows a flesh of his former self now and then.   

Terunofuji continues to look promising in his comeback, enough to get to Juryo soon, perhaps, in two basho.

Edited July 18, 2019 by robnplunder

[Gurowake 4,011]

Not a huge surprise given Tamawashi's record, but they're skipping the expected Kakuryu-Tamawashi Day 13 match and putting Kakuryu against Tomokaze instead.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Gurowake

[Joaoiyama 307]

Hakuho will kachiage and finish Mitakeumi with some sort of left hand pull down like he did Hokutofuji and Shodai.

[specialweek 2 136]

22 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Not a huge surprise given Tamawashi's record, but they're skipping the expected Kakuryu-Tamawashi Day 13 match and putting Kakuryu against Tomokaze instead.

Fair enough and Hakuho Myogiryu then Tomokaze.

 

Edited July 18, 2019 by specialweek 2

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

1 hour ago, CT3* said:

I've watched the Terutsuyoshi vs Nishikigi bout several times and it seems crystal clear that after the two matta, Terustuyoshi didn't even bother to touch his hands down before the tachi-ai. Not even close

Which is why sumo needs Konosuke. Enforce it clearly and consistently. I'd like to see them fine rikishi that don't touch at tachi-ai.

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

1 hour ago, robnplunder said:

He hasn't been since he lost his Ozeki rank.  He only shows a flesh of his former self now and then.   

Terunofuji continues to look promising in his comeback, enough to get to Juryo soon, perhaps, in two basho.

The Geek shows too much flesh, and too few flashes of his Koto Bauer days.

Yep, TnF was in beast-mode yesterday, and got his revenge on Roga. Hoping he can do that at the top of makushita, but not holding my breath.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 hour ago, Otokonoyama said:

Which is why sumo needs Konosuke. Enforce it clearly and consistently. I'd like to see them fine rikishi that don't touch at tachi-ai.

This touching-down thing is a relatively recent thing in sumo. You hardly see anyone do it in footage from decades past. The likes of Yokozuna Takanosato barely bent their knees.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Eikokurai

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

You are incorrect. There was a period when rikishi were more lax at tachi-ai and enforcement was weak, but that was not the way it always had been.

https://www.sumofanmag.com/content/Issue_8/Matta-Henka.htm

Edited July 18, 2019 by Otokonoyama

[sekitori 492]

30 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

This touching-down thing is a relatively recent thing in sumo. You hardly see anyone do it in footage from decades past. The likes of Yokozuna Takanosato barely bent their knees.

Attempting to enforce having both hands touch the dohyo may be relatively new, but I'm sure that the rule itself is quite old. It states that the tachi-ai can begin only after both fists of each rikishi touch the ground at or behind the shikiri-sen. Over the years, that rule has been corrupted to the point where very few rikishis comply with it. If you want to see how it should be done, look at Yoshikaze and Tomokaze.