Basho Talk - Aki Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[SumpaX 23]

59 minutes ago, Jyuunomori said:

Deciding history? Sure.

Deciding basho? Not even close.

Okinoumi, despite being the most impressibe: Will fall. The pressure is building and clutching to him like a damn boa. He will get 10 wins, maybe 11.

Harumafuji is looking straight ahead and is still firmly in the race, he will most likely win. Although the only Ozeki who showed up will be difficult for him.

Kisenosato already lost his changes. Goeido will not bend the knee I'm afraid.

Pat on the back I'm afraid. Yusho-Doten would be nicer special mention.

Well I too think Harumafuji is the most consistent on the leader board but Okinoumi just puts away the best rikishi, his adjusting jump stepp during his bout today, had me look twice at the fight...  he knows what he is doing. Though after he beats Goeido I only see Takayasu stopping him... 

Hmm they really should reward jun yusho winners with atleast something. 

 

[Jyuunomori 226]

27 minutes ago, gijo said:

Is Ura hitting the wall?

I won't be worried untill he is 2-6, although losing streak for him is unprecedented. He doesn't seem injured but I wonder if his ankle is still an issue from few months back.

[Morty 1,505]

Yoshikaze's face is just one big bruise these days.

And Takarafuji looks just like the kind of guy it would be great to go out for a few drinks with.

 

[rhyen 1,846]

24 minutes ago, Morty said:

 

And Takarafuji looks just like the kind of guy it would be great to go out for a few drinks with.

 

And he can hold his liquor, downing 4 magnum bottles of sake. 

[taresu 38]

Just saw the bouts i miss early today because of the lagged and chopped streaming of vaughnlive. I never imagined myself saying this but : whoa Goeidou is really on fire! i commented in a similar topic a few bashos back about how i was intrigued by Goeidou and how he failed to impress me with his sumo. In the last basho he had some good bouts and slowly he started growing on me, i mean, nobody is a ozeki for being regular, and my ignorance about a lot of sumo history just add up to my mistakes and bad judgment in understanding a rikishi's sumo or time in career. This basho he keeps impressing me (okinoumi as well, even more) and i really was so excited watching his match today that i watched a few times, he seems so determined! 

 

Sad is the fact that the last four bouts i lost the opportunity to watch it live, and what keeps bugging me is that today we face such a great moment (goeidou x okinoumi) in sumo and maybe i have to deal with freeze frame bouts again. 

Edited September 16, 2016 by taresu

[Akinomaki 40,822]

4 hours ago, SumpaX said:

what does someone get for a jun yusho?

Okinoumi the start of an ozeki run - and Kise another yokozuna run

[Yubinhaad 11,768]

Just noticed that Ikeru's 24-bout winning streak in the Jonokuchi division finally came to an end yesterday. He was defeated by debutant and ex-Nichidai rikishi Umeno, who also defeated him in maezumo two months ago.

Umeno and ex-Maegashira Masunoyama, both 3-0, look like the frontrunners for the yusho now, so Ikeru has to hope for a 6-1 kettei-sen in order to claim a fourth title.

[Rocks 1,809]

Ura is hitting a wall of his own making by gaining weight but he had no choice as he would not have survived as light as he was. Today's match was a perfect example. In the past he had the speed to spin out at the end of the dohyo and push his opponent out. Today he missed that by a bit as he is a touch slower now. Before the start of this basho I thought he would go 8-7, maybe 9-6 if he got lucky. He isn't getting lucky. No KK this time.

What can you say? Aiminishiki is just amazing.

Okinoumi survived more bumpity-bumpity from Kotoshogiku than anyone thought possible. If he beats Goeido, who did great himself, then the sky is the limit I think.

 

[orandashoho 720]

No way Okinoumi is on an Ozeki run. He will have to spend time in the lower Sanyaku ranks like everyone else. If he then repeats a strong (10+) KK then he will move up, and the 33+ will only begin counting from the moment he is in Sanyaku.

 It's early days yet. But the way he survived the first days in the meat grinder is surely impressive, I'll give you that.

[robnplunder 976]

3 hours ago, Jyuunomori said:

I won't be worried untill he is 2-6, although losing streak for him is unprecedented. He doesn't seem injured but I wonder if his ankle is still an issue from few months back.

Well, at J1, he has been running into better rikishi.  From here on, he will be facing weaker rikishi.   May that bring better luck for Ura.

Go vs Okinoumi - I can't wait.   If Oki wins, based on past record against his opponents, he would have made 2700 to 1 odd come true - winning 7 in a row against them.

 

Edited September 16, 2016 by robnplunder

[Rocks 1,809]

29 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

No way Okinoumi is on an Ozeki run. He will have to spend time in the lower Sanyaku ranks like everyone else. If he then repeats a strong (10+) KK then he will move up, and the 33+ will only begin counting from the moment he is in Sanyaku.

 It's early days yet. But the way he survived the first days in the meat grinder is surely impressive, I'll give you that.

If he gets the Yusho here, or even if he loses it in a playoff, he will be Komubi next basho for sure. Maybe even Sekiwake if Takarafuji doesn't KK. If he gets double digit wins in both November and January I think they make him Ozeki. No one can claim they would have hard a harder set of matches in a basho than Okinoumi will have this time. 

[Jyuunomori 226]

If Okinoumi Yushos with a huge number they might make him Sekiwake even if both Sekiwake's KK.

[Bumpkin 438]

2 hours ago, orandashoho said:

No way Okinoumi is on an Ozeki run. He will have to spend time in the lower Sanyaku ranks like everyone else. If he then repeats a strong (10+) KK then he will move up, and the 33+ will only begin counting from the moment he is in Sanyaku.

 It's early days yet. But the way he survived the first days in the meat grinder is surely impressive, I'll give you that.

Since 1958, an m1 has had 13 wins four times and 12 wins seven times. Promoted to Sekiwake : all four times with 13 wins and  five times with 12 wins. The last non promotion: Hakuho back in 2000. 

[Tenshinhan 1,612]

Takayasu is on an ozeki run. Okinoumi is on an ozeki run. Gagamaru is on an ozeki run. My grandma is on an ozeki run.

Seriously, this ozeki talk always begins way too early...  

 

On 14.7.2016 at 19:36, Asashosakari said:

People really need to stop saying "so-and-so is on an ozeki run" unless there's actually a possibility that the guy will be promoted after the current basho. I don't know if it's just overly excitable new posters or something, but that recent development around here is quite starting to grate. Takarafuji isn't on an ozeki run, he's on a maybe-a-nice-kachikoshi run.

If you're declaring an ozeki run to be ongoing anytime somebody posts >7 wins in the meatgrinder (or now even when it just looks like he might be posting >7 wins!), the concept becomes utterly meaningless. Just stop, please.

 

[Rocks 1,809]

21 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

 

Takayasu is on an ozeki run. Okinoumi is on an ozeki run. Gagamaru is on an ozeki run. My grandma is on an ozeki run.

Seriously, this ozeki talk always begins way too early...  

 

It's never too early to talk about an ozeki run. We need more Ozeki to replace Kisenosato, Terunofuji, Goeido and Kotoshogiku when they become Yokozuna. 

[dingo 1,303]

Goeido was relentless today. When Takayasu ran out of breath and wanted to take a break, Goeido just kept going and that's what made the difference. 

[Akinomaki 40,822]

3 minutes ago, Rocks said:

It's never too early to talk about an ozeki run. We need more Ozeki to replace Kisenosato, Terunofuji, Goeido and Kotoshogiku when they become Yokozuna. 

On TV talk about Okinoumi going for ozeki next started already after yesterday - with Kise on eternal yokozuna run, ozeki run for everybody who brings 1 of the 3 necessary results is only natural. And don't forget: there are no rules - and no ODC (the YDC just talks a bit about ozeki as well) - just yardsticks. So: m5 15-0 -> sekiwake 15-0 more likely might result in immediate ozeki promotion than in a stay at sekiwake - but we will never know.

[Rocks 1,809]

Speaking of runs, if Okinoumi beats Goeido is it likely he'll have to face the entire sanyaku by the end of the basho? Or will he skip the komusubi since they are doing so poorly?

[dingo 1,303]

I'm a bit late watching today's bouts - Kaisei has a lot of padding, but even his behind must've hurt after this kind of landing. 

[Benihana 1,937]

8 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Yes this is what I was talking about. Only Kitao and Konishiki actually swept the yokozuna and ozeki it appears.

Okinoumi already is in the history books by today, because he was the first ever to go 5-0 on Y/O on a streak beginning day 1. The others had matches with lower sekitori or a loss in between.

That will be pretty hard to beat in the future, even more so with a 6-0 tomorrow.

[Gurowake 4,109]

32 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Okinoumi already is in the history books by today, because he was the first ever to go 5-0 on Y/O on a streak beginning day 1. The others had matches with lower sekitori or a loss in between.

That will be pretty hard to beat in the future, even more so with a 6-0 tomorrow.

I'm not sure what you mean, because Okinoumi faced Shohozan on Day 5.  The "lower sekitori" clause you mention seems to apply there.

[Gurowake 4,109]

Akiseyama continues his free-fall after his Makuuchi debut, now at 0-3 at Ms6.

[Gurowake 4,109]

Shonannoumi is now at 3-0 at his highest rank near the top of Sandanme.  I've been following him since he made it to Sd at 16 years old (actually, when he went 6-1 in Jonidan in his second basho and made the top echelon of Jonidan before turning 16 and a half), and until the beginning of this year he hadn't made a KK in Sd.  Now he has 4 in a row and needs only 1 more win for a 5th and a Makushita debut at 18 years old.

[Benihana 1,937]

25 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

I'm not sure what you mean, because Okinoumi faced Shohozan on Day 5.  The "lower sekitori" clause you mention seems to apply there.

stupid me, but 4 on the first 4 days is also impressive 

Edited September 16, 2016 by Benihana

[dingo 1,303]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

Akiseyama continues his free-fall after his Makuuchi debut, now at 0-3 at Ms6.

He didn't really make much of an impression at Makuuchi level other than be being seriously out of depth. Even his Juryo career has been a constant struggle. But at least he made it to Makuuchi which is more than many other rikishi achieve.