dingo 1,263 Posted January 24, 2015 With all the record-breaking and yusho-winning already done by day 13, does anyone else feel that it's a bit of an anti-climax end to an otherwise fabulous tournament? I'm not complaining, just kinda wishing that the yusho race would've been exciting up until senshuraku. But I guess you can only blame Hakuho's competitors for that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sashimaru 10 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) With all the record-breaking and yusho-winning already done by day 13, does anyone else feel that it's a bit of an anti-climax end to an otherwise fabulous tournament? I'm not complaining, just kinda wishing that the yusho race would've been exciting up until senshuraku. But I guess you can only blame Hakuho's competitors for that... Hey, Kotoyuki ist still fighting for his kachi koshi. What could be more exciting? Edited January 24, 2015 by sashimaru 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,508 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Don't forget THE most exciting thing yet to be at stake: If Hakuho loses and Kisenosato wins tomorrow, Kise will have a yokozuna run next basho, according to the KisEido rule. Edited January 24, 2015 by Akinomaki 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted January 24, 2015 Hakuho's dominance is, of course, undeniable. I think the last time someone managed to beat Hakuho out of something he REALLY wanted was Kisenosato in 2010 Kyushu and the end of his win-streak. I think this is in no small part the reason why Hakuho has absolutely no intention of letting Kisenosato pass him on his way to a tsuna without giving it his all, (2013 Natsu comes to mind, of course). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
torquato 1,075 Posted January 24, 2015 Seems to be a historical tournament. First visit of the Teno for 4 years, first mizuiri for 6 years (I havn't seen one before) and a record breaking yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,053 Posted January 24, 2015 Eight 7-7 makuuchi rikishi for Day 15, and none of them are facing each other. The 4 in the joi (Goeido, Tochiozan, Takarafuji, Terunofuji) have already faced each other (or can't). The 4 not in the joi, Homarefuji has faced all of them, and Kotoyuki has already faced Kagamio. It would have been nice to have Arawashi face one of the latter two, but it is really difficult to find a reasonable set of torikumi for day 15 regardless. Even if they wait until the end of day 14 to know who exactly is 7-7 (and I don't know because I went to bed before the torikumi was released after waiting a half hour from when it's normally out), it might not be easy to create a schedule that would have had one of those matches. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 814 Posted January 24, 2015 Hakuho will also pass Kitanoumi and Chiyonofuji next tournament and be second only to Kaio on the all-time list of makuuchi wins - and he should overtake him in a year or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Still can't figure out Ichinojo. The goal seems to grab the belt and take a rest on your opponent, then ?. He's never going to be an Ozeki like that. He had his opponent on the edge and ready to go and instead he just fell back to a comfortable state. I'm calling shenanigans on the Aoiyama/Goeido match today. Aoiyama looked like he purposely blew it by making a face and if I could, I'd bet cash on Goeido winning tommorow against Kotoshogiku, since Koto has nothing to lose. I think Kisenosato likely would be a Yokozuna in a non-Hakuho world if he keeps doing sumo like this. I can't just can't see him or anyone else averaging less 2 losses a basho though like Hakuho does every time. I hope Kisenosato can keep this form next time. Edited January 24, 2015 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 595 Posted January 24, 2015 If Hakuho loses and Kisenosato wins tomorrow, Kise will have a yokozuna run next basho, according to the KisEido rule. Unfortunately I think you are absolutely correct in saying this and if it does happen, I won't be looking forward to the 'promotion hype'...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 361 Posted January 24, 2015 No, for a proper start of the tsuna-hype Kisenosato had to won over Hakuho. But he didn't. So it will be "just" a further jun-yusho for him and nothing more. A jun-yusho is only good for the hype if you beat the yusho winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Do we really want another Yokozuna that can't win the required two tournaments in a row? It has worked out so well for Kakuryu, who still hasn't won two tournaments a year after his appointment. We could make everyone a Yokozuna, but until Hakuho starts to decline, none of the current crop are going to be winning tournaments consistently. Edited January 24, 2015 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 361 Posted January 24, 2015 by usual standards Maybe I do not remember correctly, but the "usual standards" always were two consecutive yushos or equivalents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
torquato 1,075 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Right. But equivalent doesn't mean any Jun-Yusho but being second due to a kettei-sen loss. You must have been involved in the yusho decicion and that's not the case for Kise anyway. Edited January 24, 2015 by torquato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) by usual standards Maybe I do not remember correctly, but the "usual standards" always were two consecutive yushos or equivalents. Maybe we should all start striving for second or worse. Who needs to win right? Gonna quote myself from last year when Kakuryu got promoted: "Winning the title is all that matters. I don't see the Miami Heat reminiscing about their title loss to the Mav's nor do I see Tim Duncan wanting to celebrate the 1 footer he couldn't put in against the Heat last year that gave the Heat the title" Edited January 24, 2015 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,331 Posted January 24, 2015 Do we really want another Yokozuna that can't win the required two tournaments in a row? It has worked out so well for Kakuryu, who still hasn't won two tournaments a year after his appointment. We could make everyone a Yokozuna, but until Hakuho starts to decline, none of the current crop are going to be winning tournaments consistently.One of these years you'll start to understand that yusho counts aren't the only thing that matters in Ozumo. Until then, I guess you'll keep repeating posts much like this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Do we really want another Yokozuna that can't win the required two tournaments in a row? It has worked out so well for Kakuryu, who still hasn't won two tournaments a year after his appointment. We could make everyone a Yokozuna, but until Hakuho starts to decline, none of the current crop are going to be winning tournaments consistently.One of these years you'll start to understand that yusho counts aren't the only thing that matters in Ozumo. Until then, I guess you'll keep repeating posts much like this one. You're right man. We clearly didn't just have two tournaments where everyone was talking about someone's championship count. Definitely doesn't matter at all! Edited January 24, 2015 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
808morgan 812 Posted January 24, 2015 That Endo ultra fan was funny, had to gif it. Seemed like giku lost it himself, I will watch a few more times. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted January 24, 2015 Looked to me like Kotoshogiku's foot slipped against Endo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
808morgan 812 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Endo does seem to take advantage of Giku going a bit too low, pushes him down and his right foot slips a bit. Maybe his foot slips a bit first, still Giku made a mistake. Giku also has no grip and can’t hold on to anything, he did a good job keeping his hands off the belt. Not bad Endo, I don’t often say that! Edited January 24, 2015 by 808morgan 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) The end of this basho doesn't feel anti-climatic to me at all. There are still questions to be answered. Will Hakuhou put an exclamation point on his record breaking yusho by going zensho? Will Goeido save his Ozeki rank or will Kotoshogiku send him back down to Sekiwake? Last night I thought about how interesting things would be if Hakuhou got zensho and then Kisenosato stepped up and won the next tournament. Interest in sumo would be at a fever pitch! Edited January 24, 2015 by CT3* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
808morgan 812 Posted January 24, 2015 Good job Kisenosato! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 184 Posted January 24, 2015 Hey, Andreas21... Could you please expand on what you meant when you said Hakuho's victories are often "cheap"? He has been the epitome of sound, controlled sumo, with textbook wins over all of his opponents. I would have found it surprising even if you had said his wins are "sometimes" cheap, but often? Your comment makes me think there are two possibilities: 1) You have a great eye and can see something in Hakuho's sumo technique that pretty much everybody has missed. There have been discussions about his extra shoves, but his victories being cheap? I don't think so, or maybe I just missed those threads. 2) You don't like Hakuho all that much. Just curious; no offense meant whatsoever. Please don't interpret so much in the word "cheap". It was in the impression of a bout which I though was very beautiful. For sure, I do like Hakuho a lot. What I was referring to is that in many bouts he is not really pressed to exploit his potential. Often opponents don't act like they have a real chance to win, and don't give it their all. Either, they just passively get into the bout just to submit to be run over. Or, they do some hopeless trick. In both cases he has to basicially stand there, doing nothing exceptional. "Cheap" in the meaning, that we don't get what he could really give us. Okay? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) The end of this basho doesn't feel anti-climatic to me at all. There are still questions to be answered. Will Hakuhou put an exclamation point on his record breaking yusho by going zensho? Will Goeido save his Ozeki rank or will Kotoshogiku send him back down to Sekiwake? Last night I thought about how interesting things would be if Hakuhou got zensho and then Kisenosato stepped up and won the next tournament. Interest in sumo would be at a fever pitch! Ahahahahaha. No seriously: ahahahahaha. I hope that G fucking slips in the upcoming charade. Then again, no, I wouldn't be able to stand the follow-up 10-5... Edited January 24, 2015 by yorikiried by fate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lackmaker 437 Posted January 24, 2015 Do we really want another Yokozuna that can't win the required two tournaments in a row? It has worked out so well for Kakuryu, who still hasn't won two tournaments a year after his appointment. We could make everyone a Yokozuna, but until Hakuho starts to decline, none of the current crop are going to be winning tournaments consistently.One of these years you'll start to understand that yusho counts aren't the only thing that matters in Ozumo. Until then, I guess you'll keep repeating posts much like this one. You're right man. We clearly didn't just have two tournaments where everyone was talking about someone's championship count. Definitely doesn't matter at all!Of course they matter but they "aren't the only thing" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,331 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Perhaps I'm expecting too much when I think that adult native speakers should be able to understand the difference between "not everything" and "nothing". Oh well. Edit: I wonder, how do you say "Count the ringzzz!" in Japanese? Edited January 24, 2015 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites