Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted July 20, 2013 Makes me wonder how bemused Takanohana must feel. The record shows that from Haru through Aki '93 he took one yusho and three jun yusho (one of those doten) and didn't get the rope. Also add the fact that the lone Yokozuna during that time was Akebono. I guess age and ozeki tenure matters in such things to some degree. Your stretch for Takanohana was with zero ozeki experience as this was his start as ozeki, also he was all but 20 years old. I guess there was no question to wait a bit longer, no Japanese yokozuna or not. It's a lot different with a 27-year-old Kisenosato who has shown consistency for almost two years at the ozeki rank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted July 20, 2013 Random trivia: Sd100e Haruzakura has gone 3-4 this basho, spelling the end of his streak of consecutive sandanme basho which dated back to Haru 2006 (44 basho), the longest such active streak. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakuyobaku 33 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) But come one you (nsk) persons. Is even 14-1 (no yusho) enough for Yokozuna Kisenosato next time? I stand under the consistency argument but come on. The way I understand the yokozuna run is, 1 yusho, and one 1 either yusho, or close enough - doten, whatever, but contender. Ksnst wasn't close this time, so I'd put a yusho as a must for next time for Yokozuna. even that may not be ok - with me. but hi NSK. Edited July 20, 2013 by Hakuyobaku Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted July 21, 2013 Makes me wonder how bemused Takanohana must feel. The record shows that from Haru through Aki '93 he took one yusho and three jun yusho (one of those doten) and didn't get the rope. Also add the fact that the lone Yokozuna during that time was Akebono. I guess age and ozeki tenure matters in such things to some degree. Your stretch for Takanohana was with zero ozeki experience as this was his start as ozeki, also he was all but 20 years old. I guess there was no question to wait a bit longer, no Japanese yokozuna or not. It's a lot different with a 27-year-old Kisenosato who has shown consistency for almost two years at the ozeki rank. And it's true that the basho following this stretch ended as MK. As I said, I just wonder how Taka must feel considering he won seven yusho and tucked away four jun yusho before he got invited to the prom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoibachi 0 Posted July 21, 2013 Random trivia: Sd100e Haruzakura has gone 3-4 this basho, spelling the end of his streak of consecutive sandanme basho which dated back to Haru 2006 (44 basho), the longest such active streak. Outta curiosity, does he lose his overcoat upon demotion back to jonidan, or is it permanently his when he first reaches sandanme?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,494 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Completely different sansho scenario. Shukun-sho for Takayasu for beating just a mediocre yokozuna - the two ozeki usually don't count - and for having given the yusho winner a hard time ? – Chiyotairu should have been considered then if he wins: he in addition at least won against an ozeki on yokozuna run and with jun-yusho. No gino-sho and no kanto-sho for Tokushoryu - had it if he had won (the old 10 wins on shin-nyumaku rule works again). Edited July 21, 2013 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,494 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Day 14: 7500 spectators, best full house so far, but as apparently tickets were left, unless they explicitly announce a sell-out there is none.Day 15 at last a sellout:Takanoiwa is the biggest disappointment for me so far this basho – Chiyotairyu and Kotooshu will join him in that category if they lose today, which is what I expect now – the opposite of Goeido and Kisenosato, who after a dismal performance in the first half have convinced later on – regardless if they win or lose today. Edited July 21, 2013 by Akinomaki 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark.Buckton 68 Posted July 21, 2013 yes, Day 15 is a sell out. The way it works is quite simple - the NSK sell certain areas of the various arenas and certain numbers of tickets to various agencies - Lawson / Sunkus / Pia etc. Those are considered all sold by the NSK. So, if the NSK sells their own it is considered a complete sell out - even if the various convenience stores or Pia do not actually sell out. Tickets are only on sale until 8pm the evening before meaning that even those left over at all but the NSK are unavailable on the actual day of competition. FWIW - the convenience stores get the 'corners' at the Kokugikan. If you want decent central seats - get to Ryogoku. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Dai-doh! :-/ There was only an embarassing way to avoid greater embarassment Edited July 21, 2013 by kuroimori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salle 11 Posted July 21, 2013 But come one you (nsk) persons. Is even 14-1 (no yusho) enough for Yokozuna Kisenosato next time? It would be ugly if they do it. Promotion without single makuuchi yusho should never happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted July 21, 2013 As I was saying when he was 5-1... [Chiyotairyu's offense is] working very well this basho, but even in his short makuuchi career we've already seen it multiple times that his timing completely deserted him for several days in a row. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mukonoso 273 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Hmm, on a side note, I haven't seen the Olympic Oji-san this basho. Does he mostly do the Tokyo tournaments? I'm sure I saw him at Osaka though. Hope he's okay. On a side, side note, there is a stunningly beautiful young lady in a white-ish green kimono in the first row behind the right shinpan. Wow! Edited July 21, 2013 by Mukonoso Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,101 Posted July 21, 2013 The presence of that first 13-2 would actually add to the quality because it helps demonstrate a level of consistency that a simple two-basho 12-3 J -> 13-2 Y (or even a 13-2 J -> 13-2 Y) doesn't. Historically considerations like that were pretty normal, it's only been after Futahaguro that the focus was narrowed to yusho -> yusho only and longer performance stretches didn't matter. When you talk about the Kisenosato's results for the last two Bashos, It remembers me Kaio, back in 2004... Aki 2004 13-2 Yusho - Kyushu 2004 12-3 Jun-Yusho... Ok man It's not enough for the Tsuna - you already win 5 bashos in the last 4 years (3 as an Ozeki !!!)... but NO Tsuna... but we want to see If you can be THE man in january 2005... Kaio hurts its left shoulder during a training and was out of the Hatsu 2005 after 10 days... sad sad... At this time I remember asking myself why the NSK don't give the Tsuna when a rikishi wins 3 Yushos as an Ozeki ... 2 Yushos in the row It's the Yokozuna rank... but 3 Yushos - not in the row - It's should be a tsuna too !! Kisenosato didn't win a Yusho yet... and we talk about Tsuna for him... C'mon men... I can understand Japan who wants a Yokozuna... but Kisenosato should win two Yushos in the row (or 3 as an Ozeki) and after we could talk about the Tsuna ;) If the Kyokai had known that by 2013 there would still be no japanese yokozuna, they might have changed their considerations. But I suppose the NSK doesn't employ a crystal ball reader... But I still maintain that Kaio can be as proud or even prouder of his achievements as an Ozeki than a probably average Yokozuna tenure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted July 21, 2013 about Chiyo.... i have never seen an oshi-guy to try so many times to get the right uwate grip. If this was the only game-plan he thought of ,after the initial oshi attempt didn't work, then i am not very confident about his sanyaku foundations. He is not even Chiyotaikai after all :-P And Shohozan gave a nice ( eehhh ... i meant ... inexcusable... ) slap on the Aoiyama's belly after he got him out. He didn't look happy after the heka Aoi tried to pull Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted July 21, 2013 about Chiyo.... i have never seen an oshi-guy to try so many times to get the right uwate grip. I just have to steal quote approvingly a comment on Kinta's Day 12 video: I don't get some of Chiyotairyu's matches: are there two of him? And Kise blows it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted July 21, 2013 Hakuho gave Harumafuji a gift today. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted July 21, 2013 Kotoshogiku is playing fair and square. Should i start liking him a bit? (In jonokuchi...) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted July 21, 2013 Hakuho gave Harumafuji a gift today. If he gave Harumafuji a gift today, he gave Kisenosato a bigger one yesterday. I'm inclined to believe he might have been thinking more of the Naadam he'll be participating in and not wanting to aggravate his injury with the yusho already in his proverbial pocket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted July 21, 2013 Kotoshogiku is playing fair and square.Kise should get himself to yokozuna any way possible just to avoid the continuation of this. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted July 21, 2013 Hakuho gave Harumafuji a gift today.If he gave Harumafuji a gift today, he gave Kisenosato a bigger one yesterday. I'm inclined to believe he might have been thinking more of the Naadam he'll be participating in and not wanting to aggravate his injury with the yusho already in his proverbial pocket. Nope. He wouldn't have gone flying into the audience if that were the case. Kise kicked his ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted July 21, 2013 Kotoshogiku is playing fair and square.Kise should get himself to yokozuna any way possible just to avoid the continuation of this. impressive streak you found there. .... Shogun for Yokozuna then !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted July 21, 2013 Thank you Kotoshogiku :-) . I escaped another Yokozuna run from Kiesel .... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted July 21, 2013 Nope. He wouldn't have gone flying into the audience if that were the case. Kise kicked his ass.No. He lost that to Kise. Bit of a difference there. He had Kise tottering on the edge at least twice, and failed to give the extra little shove that was all he needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted July 21, 2013 Hakuho should be a politician after he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted July 21, 2013 Has anyone ever fallen over at the trophy presentation? Some of those cups are huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
