Nagoya Basho 2013 discussion thread

[Akinomaki 39,595]

That was quite some applause for Sokokurai during the makuuchi dohyo-iri. There were many supporters expected for him for shonichi, 150-160 supporters and natives of Inner Mongolia were announced, some papers even had about 200. It will be interesting to see how that develops over the basho, reminds me of the Kyokutenho applause last year.

[Gernobono 455]

Takanoiwa collected a kensho today

was surprised it is possible to put a kensho on a bout with juryoan rikishi

[Akinomaki 39,595]

That was definetely no yokozuna sumo by Kisenosato. And he looked very nervous.

[Kuroyama 715]

That was definetely no yokozuna sumo by Kisenosato. And he looked very nervous.

Which his tachi-ai hijinks showed, if nothing else. I noticed last basho, the more he won the less he bothered with that nonsense. I hope the same happens this time.

[Igordemorais 75]

He is not the mental giant he was in the last tourney. Notice the slippery dohyo also, this is Harumafuji's turf!

[Bugman 384]

Well from what i remember of Takekaze he's no amateur himself when it comes to pre-tachi-ai, prolonged-staring and matta.

[Morty 1,480]

Jokoryu has Masunoyama's number. That's like the third time in a row he has just held him off until Masunoyama gassed and then Jok applied the pressure.

Likewise, Tochiozan had Kak's number the whole way through that match.

[Morty 1,480]

Well from what i remember of Takekaze he's no amateur himself when it comes to pre-tachi-ai, prolonged-staring and matta.

I agree. That wasn't all Kise. And even though it was unconvincing there was never a bit where Tak looked like he was going to win it

[torquato 1,075]

Morty. Morty? Mmmh... Sorry to ask this, but you are not by any chance akin to Morty Arty? Are you?

[shumitto 418]

One of the highlights of the day for me was Aminishiki's win over Goeido. He doesn't "own" the Osaka native as he did in their first encounters, but he still has it in the year of his 35th birthday. I expect some serious bouncing back from Jokoryu from this rank, and nothing from Sokokurai. 2,5 years is a looong time and it feels like he will find a more confortable place in lower juryo.

I give up trying to figure out Tochinowaka.

[ryafuji 806]

Takanoiwa collected a kensho today

was surprised it is possible to put a kensho on a bout with juryoan rikishi

Did Takamisakari still get them after he dropped to juryo? Can't remember.

[Akinomaki 39,595]

Takanoiwa collected a kensho today

was surprised it is possible to put a kensho on a bout with juryoan rikishi

Did Takamisakari still get them after he dropped to juryo? Can't remember.

In juryo there are no kensho, a juryo rikishi can only get them in a makuuchi bout, but there it doesn't matter that he is juryo.

Nagatanien cancelled their contract with him some time after Takamisakari dropped – and he had no makuuchi visit from juryo.

Edited July 7, 2013 by Akinomaki

[ALAKTORN 346]

I wonder if that guy in the crowd was injured by Hakuhō falling over him…?

[aderechelsea 124]

i though it was an old lady ...

and the people around looked concerned ... even the shimpan.

in general that area was a bit dodgy today. Daido tried to kill someone too but Hakuho did a better job with that too (he always does ... doesn't he?is there a thing in the world that he can't do better than the rest of the rikishi?) :-P

[Torabayama 51]

i though it was an old lady ...

and the people around looked concerned ... even the shimpan.

A bit off topic but was wondering what some of the worse spectator injuries have been? If a spectator is injured does the NSK do anything for them? We've seen some gyoji's take some pretty bad hits as well but I always been curious about non-sumo related parties.

[Treblemaker 254]

He is not the mental giant he was in the last tourney. Notice the slippery dohyo also, this is Harumafuji's turf!

And in this basho, that always seems to be a contributing factor... the slippery dohyo.

Was noticing the increasing "no-hands-down-tachi-ai" by perhaps more than half the rikishi. On a surface such as this, perhaps keeping a low centre of gravity might not be a bad thing - and a there are more than a few guys whose initial charge is right out of an almost upright crouch. This surface seems to get more slippery as the basho continues, so we wait and see. Yet, the secret to salvation might be to NOT lean too far over.

To keep some traction, I once suggested that some guys might tape up their feet, but use the sticky side on the outside. Might not be according to Hoyle, but it might supply some grip on that surface, no?

Edited July 7, 2013 by Treblemaker

[ronnie 221]

He is not the mental giant he was in the last tourney. Notice the slippery dohyo also, this is Harumafuji's turf!

And in this basho, that always seems to be a contributing factor... the slippery dohyo.

Was noticing the increasing "no-hands-down-tachi-ai" by perhaps more than half the rikishi. On a surface such as this, perhaps keeping a low centre of gravity might not be a bad thing - and a there are more than a few guys whose initial charge is right out of an almost upright crouch. This surface seems to get more slippery as the basho continues, so we wait and see. Yet, the secret to salvation might be to NOT lean too far over.

To keep some traction, I once suggested that some guys might tape up their feet, but use the sticky side on the outside. Might not be according to Hoyle, but it might supply some grip on that surface, no?

With the sticky surface on the outside, how do they keep the tape on their feet?

Safety pins?

[bettega 423]

Somebody (I think Igordemorais) said that Osunaarashi will not be a great makuushi (with his actual skill) and seeing his bout yesterday, I tend to agree. He'll be throwed a lot if he don't improve his technique

And Kisenosato... not yokozuna.

Edited July 7, 2013 by bettega

[kuroimori 1,634]

i though it was an old lady ...

and the people around looked concerned ... even the shimpan.

A bit off topic but was wondering what some of the worse spectator injuries have been? If a spectator is injured does the NSK do anything for them? We've seen some gyoji's take some pretty bad hits as well but I always been curious about non-sumo related parties.

Better check the small print on those tickets - damn it is too small to even recognize the kanji for "waiver clause ";-)

[Torabayama 51]

And in this basho, that always seems to be a contributing factor... the slippery dohyo.

When can we put this particular myth to bed? It seems like the slippery Nagoya dohyo has been a talking point by some ever since Asashoryu had a slip or two in Nagoya 2009. I don't notice rikishi slipping any more or less in Nagoya than they do in any other basho. I suppose the humid weather could be a slight factor when it comes to sweat but really think the dohyo here is a non-issue. Perhaps some more seasoned forum members could add more info to this one?

[ChrisC 7]

He is not the mental giant he was in the last tourney. Notice the slippery dohyo also, this is Harumafuji's turf!

And in this basho, that always seems to be a contributing factor... the slippery dohyo.

Was noticing the increasing "no-hands-down-tachi-ai" by perhaps more than half the rikishi. On a surface such as this, perhaps keeping a low centre of gravity might not be a bad thing - and a there are more than a few guys whose initial charge is right out of an almost upright crouch. This surface seems to get more slippery as the basho continues, so we wait and see. Yet, the secret to salvation might be to NOT lean too far over.

To keep some traction, I once suggested that some guys might tape up their feet, but use the sticky side on the outside. Might not be according to Hoyle, but it might supply some grip on that surface, no?

With the sticky surface on the outside, how do they keep the tape on their feet?

Safety pins?

Staples

[Yubinhaad 11,509]

To keep some traction, I once suggested that some guys might tape up their feet, but use the sticky side on the outside. Might not be according to Hoyle, but it might supply some grip on that surface, no?

Anything sticky enough to provide grip would just end up covered in the loose sand (and salt, for the sekitori bouts) during all the build-up to a bout, so I really doubt it would have any effect by tachi-ai time.

[Treblemaker 254]

He is not the mental giant he was in the last tourney. Notice the slippery dohyo also, this is Harumafuji's turf!

And in this basho, that always seems to be a contributing factor... the slippery dohyo.

Was noticing the increasing "no-hands-down-tachi-ai" by perhaps more than half the rikishi. On a surface such as this, perhaps keeping a low centre of gravity might not be a bad thing - and a there are more than a few guys whose initial charge is right out of an almost upright crouch. This surface seems to get more slippery as the basho continues, so we wait and see. Yet, the secret to salvation might be to NOT lean too far over.

To keep some traction, I once suggested that some guys might tape up their feet, but use the sticky side on the outside. Might not be according to Hoyle, but it might supply some grip on that surface, no?

With the sticky surface on the outside, how do they keep the tape on their feet?

Safety pins?

Staples

Yeah yeah, Ok... So, maybe not the best thought-out idea ever.... (Scratching chin...)

[Orion 431]

i though it was an old lady ...

and the people around looked concerned ... even the shimpan.

A bit off topic but was wondering what some of the worse spectator injuries have been? If a spectator is injured does the NSK do anything for them? We've seen some gyoji's take some pretty bad hits as well but I always been curious about non-sumo related parties.

Some years ago now an elderly man on the front row in Fukuoka was seriously injured by a falling rikishi, since when the Kyokai has taken out third-party insurance. In the case of the Tokyo basho where many of the front-row seats are still hereditary, there is an unwritten rule that a non-regular, especially a woman, who has somehow obtained one of these seats has to swap with a 'regular' on the second row. The implication is that the old hands automatically keep a wary eye out and in any case are too close to the Kyokai to think of suing them. But I haven't checked lately that this still happens. These days even in Tokyo there are more prime seats available, at least on weekdays.

Orion

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Regarding Osunaraashi, I reckon he has almost all the elements for real success...and he DOES have skills. He looks steady on the belt, is obviously devastating with oshi-zumo, and has great reactions. Fighting spirit is no problem. Let's not forget he's at a major disadvantage this basho as he can't eat after sunrise and will likely be bloody hungry...add to that the heat. He'll make the odd mistake as is normal for a young lad still learning the game, but he's going to do well.

Endo looks the real deal to me as well. I might even have found someone to support - he does sumo the way I like it. Haven't had anyone to support properly since Tochiazuma retired.

Timbuk 3!