Reonito 1,781 Posted October 19 I wasn't sure what to expect at the start, but it was clear after the first two bouts (both tsuridashi) that this was an exhibition. Once you know that, it's quite enjoyable for what it is, just like jungyo bouts, shokkiri, etc. If that's not your cup of tea, not watching is an easy option. It is pretty amusing to listen to Hiro call the bouts as if they were real, though I am surprised some of his introductions of rikishi styles are so far off (e.g., Oshoma's strength on the belt). Presumably he has the script? I would like to see a list of kimarite compiled; we've definitely seen more tsuridashi already than we usually do in a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,243 Posted October 19 (edited) Day 4 Shimpan: Kasugano, Kumegawa, Katsunoura, Fujishima M18e Shishi (3-1) yorikiri J1w Oshoumi (1-3) M17w Hitoshi (3-1) hatakikomi M16w Nishikigi (0-4) J2e Kotoeiho (1-3) utchari M15w Shonannoumi (2-2) M17e Ryuden (2-2) tsukiotoshi M14w Asakoryu (1-3) M14e Sadanoumi (3-1) uwatenage M13w Tokihayate (1-3) M12e Takerufuji (1-3) yorikiri M12w Mitakeumi (3-1) M10e Daieisho (1-3) oshidashi M11e Shodai (1-3) M11w Roga (3-1) uwatenage M10w Churanoumi (2-2) M8e Ura (3-1) tsuridashi M9e Midorifuji (1-3) M9w Fujinokawa (2-2) yorikiri M8w Kinbozan (2-2) Shimpan: Dewanoumi, Takadagawa, Kokonoe, Wakamatsu M5e Kotoshoho (2-2) yorikiri M7e Takanosho (2-2) M7w Oshoma (2-2) shitatenage M5w Ichiyamamoto (0-4) M6e Onokatsu (2-2) yorikiri M4w Wakamotoharu (3-1) M2e Hakuoho (3-1) yorikiri M4e Hiradoumi (1-3) M3w Gonoyama (2-2) yorikiri M2w Oho (1-3) M1e Tamawashi (2-2) oshidashi M1w Abi (1-3) Se Wakatakakage (2-2) okurinage M3e Atamifuji (1-3) M15e Tobizaru (4-0) shitatenage Sw Kirishima (2-2) Ye Onosato (4-0) yorikiri Kw Aonishiki (3-1) Ke Takayasu (3-1) yorikiri Yw Hoshoryu (4-0) I sure hope that the Oshoma-IYM kimarite would have been corrected to sukuinage in a real tournament... Yumitori-shiki: Rakanji 4-0 3-1 2-2 1-3 0-4 Ye Onosato | Ke Takayasu | Se Wakatakakage | M1w Abi | M5w Ichiyamamoto Yw Hoshoryu | Kw Aonishiki | Sw Kirishima | M2w Oho | M16w Nishikigi M15e Tobizaru | M2e Hakuoho | M1e Tamawashi | M3e Atamifuji | | M4w Wakamotoharu | M3w Gonoyama | M4e Hiradoumi | | M8e Ura | M5e Kotoshoho | M9e Midorifuji | | M11w Roga | M6e Onokatsu | M10e Daieisho | | M12w Mitakeumi | M7e Takanosho | M11e Shodai | | M14e Sadanoumi | M7w Oshoma | M12e Takerufuji | | M17w Hitoshi | M8w Kinbozan | M13w Tokihayate | | M18e Shishi | M9w Fujinokawa | M14w Asakoryu | | M10w Churanoumi | J1w Oshoumi | | M15w Shonannoumi | J2e Kotoeiho | | M17e Ryuden | Edited October 19 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,494 Posted October 19 The 'Easy' Yokozuna? 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am the Yokozuna 221 Posted October 19 It’s quite an interesting jungyo. If the ticketing process had been more straightforward, I would have definitely visited. Here’s hoping the Paris jungyo will have more tickets available during the initial booking rounds. For everyone attending this one I hope you enjoy the experience! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 974 Posted October 19 33 minutes ago, I am the Yokozuna said: It’s quite an interesting jungyo. If the ticketing process had been more straightforward, I would have definitely visited. Here’s hoping the Paris jungyo will have more tickets available during the initial booking rounds. For everyone attending this one I hope you enjoy the experience! Jungyo?! How dare you? It's an official basho! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 974 Posted October 19 44 minutes ago, Jejima said: The 'Easy' Yokozuna? I thought the other one was easy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 6,039 Posted October 19 When did Onosato get so old? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 974 Posted October 19 9 minutes ago, Naganoyama said: When did Onosato get so old? He is burdened by the weight of Yokozuna wisdom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 974 Posted October 19 10 hours ago, Kajiyanosho said: Okay, I understand the feeling everyone has about the bouts when the organisers insist with the line that it's a "real" one. But I just saw Tobizaru missing the bus to the hotel. Someone lent him a bike renting card and he whizzed away on one. Priceless. How would you want them to advertise this - "For the first time in 30 years...Fake sumo tournament! Don't miss your chance to witness huge half-naked men without any acting talent pretending to fight to entertain you!" ? Every advertisement lies one way or another, that is the only way to sell things. On the other hand, you only need to ask one question if you are trying to predict how "real" a "basho" is going to be: Will it affect the next babzuke? If the answer is "no", you can bet your house on it being scripted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kajiyanosho 66 Posted October 19 56 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: I thought the other one was easy... Haha sorry about this! Argh. It was just me and another person from the office running everything. It was really manic. I made a mistake too, writing "kensho-mawashi". Today we have more people helping, so it should be better and more stuff should go in. I'm in the process of sharing the list of kimarite and other stuff with other BBC colleagues. It really feels surreal! 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 2,069 Posted October 19 8 hours ago, Reonito said: It is pretty amusing to listen to Hiro call the bouts as if they were real... I don't know. After 4 nights I'm fed up of his bullshit. I suspect those present who haven't paid extra for the radio earpiece are having the most enjoyable experience. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lackmaker 454 Posted October 19 Audiences seem to prefer their entertainment hyped up and OTT so he's what you end up with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octofuji 431 Posted October 19 10 hours ago, Reonito said: I wasn't sure what to expect at the start, but it was clear after the first two bouts (both tsuridashi) that this was an exhibition. Once you know that, it's quite enjoyable for what it is, just like jungyo bouts, shokkiri, etc. Watching the BBC on Wednesday evening I was ready to tear up my tickets for tonight. In the end we did go and thoroughly enjoyed it. Cons - obviously, the staged bouts. Pros - seeing the lower rankers doing moshiai and butsukari with Shonannoumi before the start - the yobidashi calling the first few bouts had such a beautiful voice, heard in absolute silence from the audience - seeing Kotoeiho and Abi's shiko - Three hours standing up in the gallery felt like joining in with your own keiko! - walking back to Kensington High Street and seeing Wakamotoharu and Wakatakakage (who was surprisingly huge close up) - also Mitakeumi with a very relaxed Shodai :) https://photos.app.goo.gl/26GwDEDzatmB3uJZ8 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heather82Cs 15 Posted October 19 As scripted as it may be, I think I have seen a couple bouts where it looked like the guy who was supposed to lose didn't make his opponent's life easy. There were a couple occasions in which I thought "if this was a fixed bout in a real basho, I'd be fooled". For Tobizaru and overall, we should account for unintended outcomes (like slippiotoshi) so probably they're adjusting the script daily. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,243 Posted October 19 Day 5 torikumi: M17e Ryuden (2-2) - J1w Oshoumi (1-3) M18e Shishi (3-1) - M15w Shonannoumi (2-2) J2e Kotoeiho (1-3) - M14w Asakoryu (1-3) M16w Nishikigi (0-4) - M13w Tokihayate (1-3) M17w Hitoshi (3-1) - M12w Mitakeumi (3-1) M11e Shodai (1-3) - M14e Sadanoumi (3-1) M12e Takerufuji (1-3) - M10w Churanoumi (2-2) M10e Daieisho (1-3) - M11w Roga (3-1) M9e Midorifuji (1-3) - M9w Fujinokawa (2-2) M8w Kinbozan (2-2) - M7w Oshoma (2-2) M5e Kotoshoho (2-2) - M6e Onokatsu (2-2) M4e Hiradoumi (1-3) - M5w Ichiyamamoto (0-4) M4w Wakamotoharu (3-1) - M3w Gonoyama (2-2) M3e Atamifuji (1-3) - M2w Oho (1-3) M2e Hakuoho (3-1) - M1w Abi (1-3) M1e Tamawashi (2-2) - M7e Takanosho (2-2) M8e Ura (3-1) - Kw Aonishiki (3-1) Ke Takayasu (3-1) - M15e Tobizaru (4-0) Se Wakatakakage (2-2) - Sw Kirishima (2-2) Ye Onosato (4-0) - Yw Hoshoryu (4-0) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,120 Posted October 19 Looked like Sadanoumi "went into business for himself", using wrestling slang. Shodai looked at him like 'what the hell, man' and then did a huge shrug to someone when going down the hanamichi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,781 Posted October 19 4 hours ago, RabidJohn said: I don't know. After 4 nights I'm fed up of his bullshit. I suspect those present who haven't paid extra for the radio earpiece are having the most enjoyable experience. A lot of it is annoyingly repetitive, but some of this can presumably be chalked up that it's a different audience every night, and they probably didn't watch the other days. He does offer some interesting tidbits. I did not know that Onokatsu was a fellow mathlete in school. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morning 99 Posted October 19 (edited) There's indeed quite a few in the audience who haven't gotten the intro from the previous day. Also, there's exactly one kensho envelope for the whole tournament. The rikishi are hanging it back to the yobidashi and then it gets handed out again for the next fight (unless the yobidashi forgets to hand it to the gyoji like happened yesterday) Also the Hello Kitty kensho banner is a lot higher quality than the rest Edited October 19 by Morning 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,120 Posted October 19 4 hours ago, RabidJohn said: I don't know. After 4 nights I'm fed up of his bullshit. I suspect those present who haven't paid extra for the radio earpiece are having the most enjoyable experience. Can confirm. Source: me. I've had enough Hiro for multiple lifetimes and that's without the earpiece. Somehow people keep trying to give me their spare ones, and I gotta stay polite when rejecting it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morning 99 Posted October 19 No macaron, although a nearby shop could have helped them out with that. I would expect the macaron to make an appearance next year in Paris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chijanofuji 113 Posted October 19 Day 4 highlights from the Royal Albert Hall YouTube site: https://youtu.be/H2YPdxMcViw?si=s72XwRKdiQJRwm6t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obana 374 Posted October 19 While I am a fan of Nishikigi (and frankly everyone else), his day five win seemed questionable to me. At least worth a monoii. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lackmaker 454 Posted October 19 Questioning the win of a guy with only losses seems unlikely in this tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,120 Posted October 19 I was hoping for a jikanmae up until the end, since they were showcasing so many different particularities. Oh well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chijanofuji 113 Posted October 19 And the day 5 highlights from the Royal Albert Hall YouTube site: https://youtu.be/PDQEPapoKac?si=do4n6x8dF9UDMa7t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
