Nagoya 2019 Discussion (here be spoilers)

[Gurowake 3,915]

I loaded the Kyokai twitter feed and saw that the second line started with a 三 and got hopeful for a half second that it was the sansho announcement, but it was actually about some torikumi in sandanme.

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ENHO GOT A SANSHO!!!

2019 July Grand Sumo Tournament Sansho List (Special Prizes)

Shukun-sho(Outstanding Performance Award)

East Maegashira #5 Kotoshogiku(Kazuhiro Kikutsugi)  conditionally (7-7)
Sadogatake Beya Date of Birth: January 30, 1984 (35 years old) Place of Birth: Fukuoka 2002 January Debut

Shukun-sho(Outstanding Performance Award)

West Maegashira #7 Tomokaze(Yuta Minami)   (11-3)
Oguruma Beya Date of Birth: December 2, 1994 (24 years old) Place of Birth: Kanagawa 2017 May Debut

Kanto-sho(Fighting Spirit Prize)

West Maegashira #16 Terutsuyoshi(Shoki Fukuoka)   (11-3)
Isegahama Beya Date of Birth: January 17, 1995 (24 years old) Place of Birth: Hyogo 2010 March Debut

Gino-sho(Technique Prize)

West Maegashira #2 Endo(Shota Endo)   (9-5)
Oitekaze Beya Date of Birth: October 19, 1990 (28 years old) Place of Birth: Ishikawa 2013 March Debut

Gino-sho(Technique Prize)

West Maegashira #14 Enho(Yuya Nakamura)   (8-6)
Miyagino Beya Date of Birth: October 18, 1994 (24 years old) Place of Birth: Ishikawa 2017 March Debut

[specialweek 2 136]

18 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

The goofy commentators on NHK claimed that Enho was in contention for the ginosho with his eighth win today. Bollocks...

Good call, or not.

[Gurowake 3,915]

Kyokai Twitter says condition for Kotoshogiku to get the sansho is not just him getting KK, but Hakuho taking the Yusho.  I think.  It makes no sense as "either-or" since the KK is absolutely required, and thus the Hakuho Yusho must be an additional requirement, although I don't know how the grammar is supposed to work.

https://twitter.com/sumokyokai/status/1152795274625945600?s=20

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 3,915]

Just so it gets into my brain as a possible time to be looking, the sansho announcement was made 20 minutes after the hour, or 1320 Japan time.  I had thought it came out closer to 1230 usually.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

30 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Kyokai Twitter says condition for Kotoshogiku to get the sansho is not just him getting KK, but Hakuho taking the Yusho.  I think.  It makes no sense as "either-or" since the KK is absolutely required, and thus the Hakuho Yusho must be an additional requirement, although I don't know how the grammar is supposed to work.

https://twitter.com/sumokyokai/status/1152795274625945600?s=20

 

Makes sense. If Hakuho wins, Giku will have beaten the yusho winner, but if he himself doesn’t win he wouldn’t be eligible because they don’t give prizes to guys with a makekoshi. An 8-7 alone wouldn’t be worthy of a prize either. 

The key grammar I think is し, used in lists to give reasons, etc.

Edited July 21, 2019 by Eikokurai

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

33 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

Good call, or not.

Yup, they cleverly used their inside knowledge to make me look like the fool I am.

[chishafuwaku 469]

If Kotoshogiku wins the sansho it will be only the third time that five different rikishis wins a sansho.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=1&group_expand=on&group_by=basho&having=5&form1_ss=on&form1_ks=on&form1_gs=on

[Asashosakari 18,786]

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Probably too late to put up a poll to get a meaningful number of responses, but I wonder how many matches the Jonokuchi playoff will end up taking.  Might the rikishi conspire to keep it going for multiple rounds?

Motobayashi in minimum time would be my guess.

Edited July 21, 2019 by Asashosakari

[Rocks 1,807]

42 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

Good call, or not.

Still a good call. What a complete joke giving a prize to him.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

8 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Still a good call. What a complete joke giving a prize to him.

Strong words! It’s not without precedent. Mainoumi picked up two gino-sho with 8-7s. The one in his makuuchi debut isn’t surprising, but he got his second the very next basho. 

[Rocks 1,807]

5 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Strong words! It’s not without precedent. Mainoumi picked up two gino-sho with 8-7s. The one in his makuuchi debut isn’t surprising, but he got his second the very next basho. 

Yes, and in those 2 basho he beat a Kumosubi, a M1 Akebano and a bunch of guys above M10. Along with some very good techniques.

Enho this basho? The only guy above M10 is Myiogiru,  who's been mailing it in since he got his KK. 

It's embarrassing to even compare them. 

[Asojima 2,870]

Sansho are awarded by the press corp whose primary emphasis has become to hype the new set of pretty boys. Where possible, they vote for the rikishi who are getting the highest volume of print and video coverage.

[Sakura 1,472]

I wonder how awkward it is to participate in a playoff against a stablemate. 

[robnplunder 974]

Win or not, Hak yusho or not, I don't think Kotoshogiku has done enough to win the Outstanding Performance award, especially, there is another winner.    I have no issue with the other 4 getting their sansho.   Kotoshogiku seems to be getting sentimental votes.   If he was not a fallen Ozeki, I wonder if he would even be considered.

[dingo 1,160]

Kotoshogiku's prize has me completely flabbergasted. I wonder what would he as an ex-Ozeki think or feel for being handed a prize for reaching a simple 8-7, a result that would have been the minimum for him in Ozeki rank. Insulting a bit, no? Or just alms for the weak... 

[Mezzosoprano 16]

looking forward to Endo's sansho interview

[Rainoyama 1,157]

I still believe Kotoyuki should have had a kanto-sho. That's 11 win now somehow they prefered to nominate 7-7 Kotoshogiku if he wins and Hakuho wins two bouts...

[Akinomaki 39,770]

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Makes sense. If Hakuho wins, Giku will have beaten the yusho winner, but if he himself doesn’t win he wouldn’t be eligible because they don’t give prizes to guys with a makekoshi. An 8-7 alone wouldn’t be worthy of a prize either. 

The key grammar I think is し, used in lists to give reasons, etc.

Shi is short for shite of shimasu, with other verbs something else would be there, and it connects several conditions or the like with AND -  but there should be a comma to separate them.

These complex conditions have come into fashion again - I first saw that happen to Takanonami before he got to ozeki - but I don't remember the details anymore. The condition set is perfectly logical, but for many years they had avoided  those.

Enho got his Tanabata wish fulfilled. That he'd get the ginosho with a simple kachikoshi was a given in the media.

[Akinomaki 39,770]

Endo showed superb skill in that escape - and confirmed his ginosho

[Benihana 1,901]

Wow! Did we eventually see the final form of future Ozeki Endo?

[Rainoyama 1,157]

That match was amazing, both Endo and Hokutofuji deserve to be in sanyaku next basho but Hokutofuji will probably miss it due to banzuke luck yet again. Feels bad man.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

2 hours ago, Rocks said:

Yes, and in those 2 basho he beat a Kumosubi, a M1 Akebano and a bunch of guys above M10. Along with some very good techniques.

Enho this basho? The only guy above M10 is Myiogiru,  who's been mailing it in since he got his KK. 

It's embarrassing to even compare them. 

Enho has faced three guys above M10: M7e Myogiryu, M9e Shohozan and M9w Daishoho.

But, another example. Ama (as Harumafuji was called then) won the gino-sho as M11w with a 9-6 record, same as Enho now has. He didn’t face anyone higher than M6w. 

That aside, the gino-sho is the one award which is supposed to be awarded regardless of quality of opposition. It’s meant to be all about the quality of technique, on paper at least. It would actually be refreshing if that is all they judged a rikishi on. To be honest, I imagine with Enho they wanted to give it to him last time but he MKd, so they’re probably just making up for it. 

[Rainoyama 1,157]

That was low from Abi, good basho from him though. He stays komusubi for sure and it means Hokutofuji is now likely to be denied promotion to sanyaku yet again.... 

[robnplunder 974]

No one was cheering on Abi's "henka" induced win against Kotoshogiku.  What a stinking way to decide the KK!   Abi went KK but he lost some fans today.