Games talk Aki Basho 2017

[Feginowaka 53]

7 hours ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

Just saw that three players (Ketsukai, Profomisakari and Holleshoryu) in the current Top 10 standings in Juryo Game have used Sadanoumi as their weakest Rikishi. AFAIK this is not allowed as Sadanoumi was not on the Torikumi on Day 1. There might be even more players who selected him. I hope the standings soon will be corrected.

Edit: On the Odds page it can be seen that in total 8 players picked Sadanoumi.

Ganzohnesushi

Speaking of Juryo Game: Did somebody notice, that Onami, Wakanohana and Minaminoyama entered identical picks and all of them come from Singapore?

 

[kuroimori 1,634]

Wow! Welcome to another edition of

"Sumo Gaming Upset Day"!

My score today in SG will be 2 or 3 - it all depends on Haraumafuji - and if I get 3 points, I will win my match. Amazing!

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Lottery basho for gamers.  Tossing a coin would have about the same value.

[kuroimori 1,634]

26 minutes ago, kuroimori said:

Wow! Welcome to another edition of

"Sumo Gaming Upset Day"!

My score today in SG will be 2 or 3 - it all depends on Haraumafuji - and if I get 3 points, I will win my match. Amazing!

and Harumafuji saved me in convincing fashion!

[Jakusotsu 6,050]

25 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

Lottery basho for gamers.  Tossing a coin would have about the same value.

Funny. I'm doing better than ever before in most of the games, but not in the mother of all daily games: Sekitori Toto. No clue what that's supposed to tell us.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

9 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Funny. I'm doing better than ever before in most of the games, but not in the mother of all daily games: Sekitori Toto. No clue what that's supposed to tell us.

Some games will affected more than others. But it means you're picking well! :)

[orandashoho 720]

The thing about SG, you can have a bad score and win, or a magnificent score and still lose. Today was brutally bad and a loss though.

SG marked my Day 13 as a win, but it seems to have calculated according to the Day 12 results, with Tochinoshin, Endo, Aoiama and Tochiozan winning... that would have ben nice for my score but I'm sure it will be corrected soon.

[Nantonoyama 252]

22 hours ago, Feginowaka said:

Speaking of Juryo Game: Did somebody notice, that Onami, Wakanohana and Minaminoyama entered identical picks and all of them come from Singapore?

 

Thank you for noticing it, suspicious with two new players. It might be needed to contact them by the end of the tournament.

For the Sadanoumi case, his points will be set to 0, so please take into consideration that the standings are not final until Sadanoumi's points are removed.

[Gurowake 4,109]

1 hour ago, Nantonoyama said:

Thank you for noticing it, suspicious with two new players. It might be needed to contact them by the end of the tournament.

For the Sadanoumi case, his points will be set to 0, so please take into consideration that the standings are not final until Sadanoumi's points are removed.

I would advocate for giving people points based on his actual losses, even if you normally also get points for days they don't fight.  Obviously you shouldn't count the latter when they're kyujo from Day 1, but I don't see why you wouldn't count the former; given that the latter don't count, it's a pretty big risk to pick them, even if when they do come back they might be more inclined to lose given their likely injury not fully having healed.

[Nantonoyama 252]

52 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

I would advocate for giving people points based on his actual losses, even if you normally also get points for days they don't fight.  Obviously you shouldn't count the latter when they're kyujo from Day 1, but I don't see why you wouldn't count the former; given that the latter don't count, it's a pretty big risk to pick them, even if when they do come back they might be more inclined to lose given their likely injury not fully having healed.

That could be a rule evolution to study for future tournaments, yes. However, as this one is done under rules set by Randomitsuki, he clearly stated to me that any "weak maegashira" rikishi who does not show up on the dohyo on day 1 must be awarded 0 points, regarless of wether or not he later joins the basho.

[Ganzohnesushi 528]

Hilarious stuff. On this weird Day I somehow achieved a 20-12 in Toto. But I managed to pick 8 of these 12 losers in my Sumo Game line-up. 2 Points. My worst daily result ever in 973 Bouts.  

Ganzohnesushi

[Ganzohnesushi 528]

6 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I would advocate for giving people points based on his actual losses, even if you normally also get points for days they don't fight.  Obviously you shouldn't count the latter when they're kyujo from Day 1, but I don't see why you wouldn't count the former; given that the latter don't count, it's a pretty big risk to pick them, even if when they do come back they might be more inclined to lose given their likely injury not fully having healed.

For me your approach doesn't make sense at all as it complicates the rules. Keep the rules simple. Clear statement was and is that no Rikishi can be chosen as weakest Maegashira, who is not on Day 1 Torikumi. 8 players obviously wanted to be very clever or still have not understood this, though it was repeatedly mentioned in the past.

Ganzohnesushi

[Ganzohnesushi 528]

5 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

...Randomitsuki ...clearly stated to me that any "weak maegashira" rikishi who does not show up on the dohyo on day 1 must be awarded 0 points, regarless of wether or not he later joins the basho.

Please be more precise here. A Rikishi who is on Day 1 Torikumi can be picked even if he does not show up on the Dohyo on Day 1 !!!! We had such a case in Nagoya'16 when Osunaarashi decided to withdraw only after the Torikumi for Day 1 and Day 2 was announced. As far as I remember Torikumi for Day 2 was changed then.

Ganzohnesushi

 

[Taigiin khuu 42]

11 minutes ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

For me your approach doesn't make sense at all as it complicates the rules. Keep the rules simple. Clear statement was and is that no Rikishi can be chosen as weakest Maegashira, who is not on Day 1 Torikumi. 8 players obviously wanted to be very clever or still have not understood this, though it was repeatedly mentioned in the past.

Agree with above.  

But on a lighter note, I just noticed that Nagayama is comfortably last in Juryo game, but comfortably first in Rotosumo. Cool contrast. 

Hieno Nagayama!

[Gurowake 4,109]

16 minutes ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

8 players obviously wanted to be very clever or still have not understood this, though it was repeatedly mentioned in the past.

Part of the reason I think what I suggested is fair is the fact that people may have chosen him without knowing he was going to absent Day 1.  If someone you pick that gets you points for wins is absent Day 1, I assume you get points if they come back and win matches. Not that I think my suggestion has much of a chance of being adopted, as I agree it complicates things for minimal gain, but it is very slightly more fair for people who don't have time to check kyujos against their picks in every game.

[Nantonoyama 252]

1 hour ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

Please be more precise here. A Rikishi who is on Day 1 Torikumi can be picked even if he does not show up on the Dohyo on Day 1 !!!! We had such a case in Nagoya'16 when Osunaarashi decided to withdraw only after the Torikumi for Day 1 and Day 2 was announced. As far as I remember Torikumi for Day 2 was changed then.

Ganzohnesushi

 

You are right, and I meant what I wrote. I quote Randomitsuki : "Day 1 absence is what counts". In my mind, being absent = not showing up, even if you are on the torikumi. You are not physically present. I remember this Osunaarashi case, and I remembered picking 0-15 in Oracle, but it was counted as a full kyujo.
But I agree it is ambiguous wether present/absent refers to the torikumi or physically on the dohyo
I shall (re-)write clearly the rules of the game during the month of october. In any case, this debate is not the matter of the ongoing basho.

[Asashosakari 19,680]

35 minutes ago, Nantonoyama said:

You are right, and I meant what I wrote. I quote Randomitsuki : "Day 1 absence is what counts". In my mind, being absent = not showing up, even if you are on the torikumi. You are not physically present. I remember this Osunaarashi case, and I remembered picking 0-15 in Oracle, but it was counted as a full kyujo.

I should mention that we do it this way in Oracle because news of a sudden Day 1 absence usually does leak out a few hours before the deadline and it would be hugely unfair to give a limited number of players the opportunity to exploit that because 8 extra points (or whatever) will make a major difference in Oracle, and it's unproblematic to just cancel one of the 70 picks from the game. Juryo Game could well need a different approach to deal with this situation.

Edited September 22, 2017 by Asashosakari

[Gurowake 4,109]

18 hours ago, kuroimori said:

Wow! Welcome to another edition of

"Sumo Gaming Upset Day"!

My score today in SG will be 2 or 3 - it all depends on Haraumafuji - and if I get 3 points, I will win my match. Amazing!

8th lowest scoring Day ever, bumping up Day 5 to 14th.  That's 2 days this basho with less than 4 points on average.  Lowest average overall so far, only second basho ever below 5.5.  Well, it might get better the last two days.

Edited September 23, 2017 by Gurowake

[Fukurou 534]

Just a reminder about HOSHITORI, before people like me start asking questions...

The final results for Hoshitori will likely take a few days (weeks?) to appear. The day 15 results and KK/MK points should update automatically, as is normal, but bonus points (yusho & sansho winners) have to be added manually. All depends on Real Life allowing time to do this task.

Edited September 23, 2017 by Fukurou

[Profomisakari 873]

To my picks for Sadanoumi in Juryo game.

I wonder about this discussion.
I read the rules and I found no sentence,
that it is forbidden to pick a weak maegashira,
who not is listed in the torikumi day 1.

Please change the rules and I will respect this!

 

[Ganzohnesushi 528]

48 minutes ago, Profomisakari said:

To my picks for Sadanoumi in Juryo game.

I wonder about this discussion.
I read the rules and I found no sentence,
that it is forbidden to pick a weak maegashira,
who not is listed in the torikumi day 1.

Please change the rules and I will respect this!

 

Then please read carefully the text behind the 5th bullet: http://juryo.sumogames.de/rules.htm

Ganzohnesushi

[Profomisakari 873]

7 hours ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

Then please read carefully the text behind the 5th bullet: http://juryo.sumogames.de/rules.htm
Ganzohnesushi

You mean this part:

"Attention: kyujo wreslters (or wrestlers who can't compete before the basho. ex: Baruto at Kyushu 2005 with 0-1-14 due to an appendicitis did not compete any day of the basho) won't give any points because for every wrestler injured during the tournament, the fate will be cruel for him and for you if he's part of your selection ... "

This is, about that I said: "I read the rules"
I miss one of the words "forbidden" or "not allowed"
The example Baruto: He was on the Torikumi Day 1 and has lost with Fusen Pai.
There is no relation to our case
The exemple shows only, that you can have bad luck in the game.
And so I see the last sentence of this bullet:

"Sorry, there's a big part of luck too, in that game!"

One word to Sadanoumi:
As you know: he came back and until yesterday won two points.
Tokushoryo won three, Yukateyama four. What a great differnce!

I repeat: Change this rules and I will respect it!

Profomisakari

[Profomisakari 873]

And as I now see: Somebody has changed all Sadanoumi points to 0:

Now i say: It is against the written rules.

Once more:

Please change this text and I will respect it!
But please respect the written rules.

Profomisakari

[Nantonoyama 252]

4 minutes ago, Profomisakari said:

And as I now see: Somebody has changed all Sadanoumi points to 0:

Now i say: It is against the written rules.

Once more:

Please change this text and I will respect it!
But please respect the written rules.

Profomisakari

OK, I see the point.

The fact is: I have just taken over the game. I intend to make a clear statement on the rules of the game and the promotion/demotion rules for application in Kyushu basho.

However, this basho is still under Randomitsuki's rules, and in a private message he told me that Sadanoumi's points must be set to 0, and I quote: " the fact that Sadanoumi entered at a later stage does not matter; as in other games, Day 1 absence is what counts ".

I understand the point you make with respect to the website, and I intend to modify it. However, for this tournament, I am going to follow his instructions as the former game ruler, I am pretty sure he knows the rules he used to apply, and that they must have been written somewhere sometime.

Please don't sue me

[shimodahito 317]

TTT: Takanorappa congrats ... the only KK.  Is that a first?