Basho Talk - Kyushu Basho 2016 ** (SPOILERS)

[hamcornheinz 839]

7 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Even if the English kimarite description officially says that you have to be holding the mawashi, it's also used if you just use your whole body (as opposed to your hands and arms) to force them out without holding the mawashi.  There isn't any other technique that covers it.

something new every day. 

[Kuroyama 715]

5 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Now, how to prevent thinking "Mr. Dumpling" everytime I watch Kakuryu?

I don't understand why you would want to.

[robnplunder 978]

Yeah, Ura!   He's now 5-2 and likely will go KK.    How many wins from his ranking is good enough for the promotion?   

[fwuzzle23 66]

Ishiura hype train keeps rolling!

[nadnadnad 6]

Terunofuji!!! He's up against Kotoshogiku tomorrow. The battle of the knees.. or Ozekis... Ozeki-knees???

[d_golem 213]

Mitakeumi did veeery good against Harumafuji! Him and Shodai for future ozekis surely!

[robnplunder 978]

Was that a henka by Hakuho against Yoshikaze?    

[d_golem 213]

3 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Was that a henka by Hakuho against Yoshikaze?    

I'm going to say nope, not a henka. He got a palm on top of Yoshikaze's head for a bit and must've thought (or his highly trained body instantly reacted) to the situation at hand that the best course of action is to step aside, reach onto the back of the mawashi and push the little bugger out of the ring. And I think the little bugger knew also, during his split second standing on the tawara, that it was his bad habit not keeping his gaze upwards during tachi-ai.

However, Hakuho also thought "Don't just stand there on the bales, bro! Get out quick or you're gonna make me look bad! Again."

[Rocks 1,810]

2 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Yeah, Ura!   He's now 5-2 and likely will go KK.    How many wins from his ranking is good enough for the promotion?   

I think he needs at least 6 more wins from J5. Those ahead are not doing great but both the J1s are 3-4 so at least 1 is bound to get his KK and promotion I would think. Sato at J3 is 5-2 also so if he gets 5 more wins I would say he gets promoted, 4 might do it for Sato. I'd say he would have a better shot if Osunaarashi, who lost today, doesn't take the yusho but I think he will.

[Rocks 1,810]

1 hour ago, fwuzzle23 said:

Ishiura hype train keeps rolling!

Yes, it's amazing. Almost to much too believe.

[Rocks 1,810]

13 minutes ago, d_golem said:

Mitakeumi did very good against Harumafuji! Him and Shodai for future ozekis surely!

He did, the only one of the Yokozuna opponents who did if you ask me.  Kisenosato looked very poor against Shodai today.

[Rocks 1,810]

15 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Was that a henka by Hakuho against Yoshikaze?    

I'd say yes and considering he did it against a 1-4 Yoshikaze because Endo blew him away at the tachiai yesterday is embarrassing for someone of Hakuho's stature. Hakuoho may be 6-1 but he's looked very tentative this basho to me. Nowhere near his usual self. If Kakuryu is still in the running for the yusho when he meets Haukho I think he beats him for sure this basho.

[robnplunder 978]

35 minutes ago, Rocks said:

I'd say yes and considering he did it against a 1-4 Yoshikaze because Endo blew him away at the tachiai yesterday is embarrassing for someone of Hakuho's stature. Hakuoho may be 6-1 but he's looked very tentative this basho to me. Nowhere near his usual self. If Kakuryu is still in the running for the yusho when he meets Haukho I think he beats him for sure this basho.

My immediate thought was that it was henka but I am relatively new to Sumo watching.  I will yield to the better judgement of this forum members who are experts in this.   If it was henka, that's a shame.   Hakuho owns Yoshikaze and can easily beat him without employing henka.

[Rocks 1,810]

Just now, robnplunder said:

My immediate thought was that it was henka but I am relatively new to Sumo watching.  I will yield to the better judgement of this forum members who are experts in this.   If it was henka, that's a shame.   Hakuho owns Yoshikaze and can easily beat him without employing henka.

I am not an expert but the fact that Hakuho was so far out of the way that he was just barely able to put a finger on Yoishkaze's mawashi as he went flying by says a lot IMO. 

[robnplunder 978]

The two mighty mice, Ishiura and Satoyama are both 6-1, the latter in Juryo.   This can't be happening.   Ishiura goes up against Kyokushuho on day 8.  He can go 7-1.  Satoyama is facing Osu and will likely fall to 6-2.   Osu still looks like an yusho material even after today's spirited loss.

I jumped out of my seat when Shodai beat Kise.  

I am betting Kak will lose on day 8 against Tamawashi who have been looking strong.   

[Benihana 1,971]

Wow, someone stood up to Osu, good fight by Oyanagi. Osu still no.1 candidate for yusho. Even more thrilled that Ura is now to 5-2.

BEAUTIFUL henka by Aminishki, but Tokushoryu reacted very quick and won this wild bout. 

Did Gaga finally wake up? We'll see...

Mitakeumi probably will go MK, but his days will come, awesome bout.

Edited November 19, 2016 by Benihana

[Dwale 419]

Haven't seen all the matches yet, but a few comments...

First are foremost, "DAMMIT, Hakuho!" lol. As much as I dislike him, I'm really not that mad. He and Yoshikaze both had that, "Please tell me that didn't just happen" face. Did he suddenly realize he had no strategy or something? Seems as though he was acting on instinct. Perhaps he was distracted.

Mitakeumi showing top-notch defensive skills. Those don't win matches, of course, but one needs to have them nonetheless. The kid is good! And this basho is a great learning experience for him. Tenacity is crucial for promising young rikishi like himself, and it is something he has shown time and again that he possesses. 

Ishiura demonstrating his agility, weaving through Chiyoshoma's offense to get hold of the belt and the victory. I have no idea how far he'll go in makuuchi, but I'm along for the ride. 

Glad Gagamaru's rallied. He seems like a nice guy so it's hard for me not to like him.

And Terunofuji is looking like he might just get that kachi-koshi after all.

 

[Jyuunomori 238]

This basho is turning out even more exciting than the last one, somehow!

Ishiura is blazing the Makuuchi. If he goes 10 wins I am gonna be so happy. Deserves the Fighting Spirit prize.

Shodai showed us why he will become an Ozeki in a future. He is starting to get hang of Sanyaku opposition, the only opposition that can oppose him infact. Even Harumafuji didn't get easy win against him yesterday and now Kisenosato actually lost to him.

Ura has recovered from 0-2 to 5-2. Let's hope for 3 more wins.

Oyanagi ''The Young Behemoth'' shamed and threw Osunaarashi like a sack of rice. Very good win for him. Oyanagi has finally made it to true competition.

Osu took the hit but will still win the Juryo Yusho. But without lying, his arm is concerning.

Hakuho is Henkaho.

Kakuryuu decided that he want to be a Yokozuna this basho. It is nice to see that.

Goeidou is still fighting the good fight. 13-2 Yusho, 14-1 Yusho or maybe even loss in the 14-1 playoff's might be enough for Tsuna? Give or take who he beats.

 

Edited November 19, 2016 by Jyuunomori

[dingo 1,477]

9 hours ago, d_golem said:

I'm going to say nope, not a henka. He got a palm on top of Yoshikaze's head for a bit and must've thought (or his highly trained body instantly reacted) to the situation at hand that the best course of action is to step aside, reach onto the back of the mawashi and push the little bugger out of the ring. And I think the little bugger knew also, during his split second standing on the tawara, that it was his bad habit not keeping his gaze upwards during tachi-ai.

However, Hakuho also thought "Don't just stand there on the bales, bro! Get out quick or you're gonna make me look bad! Again."

Putting a hand on top of Yoshikaze's head is enough not to call it a henka? I beg to differ, and Hakuho's own expression after the bout told us everything we need to know. That was a textbook henka, whether the hand was there or not. 

[robnplunder 978]

34 minutes ago, dingo said:

Putting a hand on top of Yoshikaze's head is enough not to call it a henka? I beg to differ, and Hakuho's own expression after the bout told us everything we need to know. That was a textbook henka, whether the hand was there or not. 

Yeah, I noticed that look.  Hak may be the greatest rikishi in history but without the matching class.   That's why, personally, Endo's win against him was so satisfying.  Let's see if Mitakeumi can repeat Endo's feat.

 

[bettega 433]

I think that Hakuho used the same non-henka (or a variant of) that from Harumafuji. No problem to me: you're really fast and your opponent slow.

[lackmaker 454]

1 hour ago, dingo said:

Putting a hand on top of Yoshikaze's head is enough not to call it a henka? I beg to differ, and Hakuho's own expression after the bout told us everything we need to know. That was a textbook henka, whether the hand was there or not. 

His expression could probably tell us anything we wish to read into it. "Who would have thought the second 1000 was going to be this easy" for example.

[Rocks 1,810]

48 minutes ago, bettega said:

I think that Hakuho used the same non-henka (or a variant of) that from Harumafuji. No problem to me: you're really fast and your opponent slow.

Harumafuji's non-henka is much different. He actually takes the initial hit and as the opponent bounces off he steps aside of their recovery charge. Entirely different thing. Hakuho slapped his head down as he moved. He avoids the tachiai entirely. 

[d_golem 213]

1 hour ago, dingo said:

Putting a hand on top of Yoshikaze's head is enough not to call it a henka? I beg to differ, and Hakuho's own expression after the bout told us everything we need to know. That was a textbook henka, whether the hand was there or not. 

I stand by I said. Had a quick look at the bout again. Hakuho was moving straight forward at the start, right palm immediately made raised up and made contact with Yoshikaze's head. Yoshi's momentum pushed Hakuho's palm backwards a bit, whose unmatched sumo brain received the information "Whoa he's unusually slow!" immediately instructed his unmatched sumo reflexes to get his unmatched sumo body to change direction to the left by pushing hard with his right leg, pivot with his left, grab the mawashi with his left hand and push the little bugger out. It all happened in a split second which I cannot comprehend fully in real-time, only slo-mo gave my untraines sumo eyes and brain an inkling what happened in the dohyo in that brief seconds.

Hakuho's expression was simply just the result of his not-so-unmatched PR brain telling his face "You dolt! You might have done the best course of action to win but it'll look stupid to all those thousands watching you, you silly sumo freak!".

1 hour ago, bettega said:

I think that Hakuho used the same non-henka (or a variant of) that from Harumafuji. No problem to me: you're really fast and your opponent slow.

Exactly what I think. If you are quick enough to use the palm of your hand, why use your shoulder and risk close encounter?

edit : Upon viewing the bout again, Yoshi's head did made considerable contact with Hakuho's upper arm, even after the palm to the head, which is not much different at all to Ama's non-henka. It just looked so much more like a henka cos' Yoshi's tachiai was slower than his usual explosive one.

Edited November 19, 2016 by d_golem

[ALAKTORN 346]

Uhm, is it just me or is Mitakeumi the only rikishi in existence who has had a successful defense to Harumafuji’s non-henka? Not even Hakuhō has done it, to my recalling. Not that well, anyway.