Benevolance 2,511 Posted April 22, 2015 But Endo doesn't own a farm... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bettega 431 Posted April 23, 2015 If his absence in next basho puts him in Juryo we all know what will happen: a mummy Endo, all bandages, trying to get some wins and leaving the basho right after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted April 23, 2015 If his absence in next basho puts him in Juryo we all know what will happen: a mummy Endo, all bandages, trying to get some wins and leaving the basho right after that.I assume you are mummifying Endo for the July basho rather than May. A drop to Juryo is not that big of a deal. A drop to Makushita is major. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted April 28, 2015 Endou will not be participating in tomorrow's YDC soken, (which will be open to the public so if you're in the KKan area, do drop in..). "Because he still can't do any sumo," explained Oitekaze Oyakata. Entering Natsu is "complicated". "We will decide a week before day 1. If he can't do any training on the dohyo there is no point, right?" added the Oyakata. Today he did some light shiko and suriashi and didn't go to the weigh-in as he was having his knee examined. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted May 1, 2015 Final decision to be made by Oitekaze Oyakata on May 5th. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted May 4, 2015 "Tomorrow, he will be telling us what he intends to do ," said Oitekaze Oyakata of Endou. He still hasn't done any sumo and did some shiko, teppole and suriashi today, even doing some tachiai moves in private. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumozumo 240 Posted May 5, 2015 Looks like he will enter - http://news.biglobe.ne.jp/sports/0505/ym_150505_7908368434.html "I moved my body around more than I thought I could, which has strengthened my resolve to enter" mused Endo after doing Keiko. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Not exactly. "If it gets better quickly I will be thinking of this (entering the basho) positively, and at present, I intend to enter.." he said, quite ambiguously. This morning he did sumo for the first time since the injury against Makushita opponents. 12 bouts. He was seen moving forward a lot. "It's not bad and it's not good, but I managed to move more than I thought. If I'll feel I'm overdoing it I'll know it.. " he explained. Edited May 5, 2015 by Kintamayama 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Endou is being urged to enter with sweet words by the press, as I expected, with the word "brave" being used a lot. At this point, he is entering. Today he had 15 bouts against new Juryo Daishoumaru (college champ that started at Tsukedashi 15) and others. He was not looking good, going 2-3 against Daishoumaru. When pushed back, he stood upright and could not brace himself with the injured knee. He did not speak to the press. "You saw it. Not good. entering the dohyo at 70-80 percent seems good enough. Rikishi lose even if they have no pain at all.." said Oitekaze Oyakata. Edited May 6, 2015 by Kintamayama 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kosomo 32 Posted May 6, 2015 Wow. Just wow. I'm worried about how his bouts are going to go if he's having trouble with Daishoumaru. He could injure himself permanently. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 596 Posted May 6, 2015 He did not speak to the press. "You saw it. Not good. entering the dohyo at 70-80 percent seems good enough. Really? This does not sound like 70-80% to me. "Rikishi lose even if they have no pain at all.." said Oitekaze Oyakata." Oitekaze Oyakata aka Captain Obvious.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted May 6, 2015 I’ve given up on Endō ever being a relevant rikishi again some weeks ago. Sad, but that’s what injuries do, especially when coupled with incorrect treatment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScreechingOwl 343 Posted May 7, 2015 "Ever being a relevant rikishi again" seems a bit harsh, but in the span a year his ceiling has diminished from possible ozeki (one day) to maybe komusubi (if things break right). It's clear he has no business wrestling in Natsu because of his present injury, and it's a sad commentary on sumo that despite this his oyakata is pushing him to compete. I wonder if, knowing what he now knows, Endo would still decide to enter professional sumo (which he was very uncertain about) if he had to make the decision anew. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted May 7, 2015 Endou will not be participating in tomorrow's YDC soken, (which will be open to the public so if you're in the KKan area, do drop in..). "Because he still can't do any sumo," explained Oitekaze Oyakata. Entering Natsu is "complicated". "We will decide a week before day 1. If he can't do any training on the dohyo there is no point, right?" added the Oyakata. Today he did some light shiko and suriashi and didn't go to the weigh-in as he was having his knee examined. Final decision to be made by Oitekaze Oyakata on May 5th. "Tomorrow, he will be telling us what he intends to do ," said Oitekaze Oyakata of Endou. He still hasn't done any sumo and did some shiko, teppole and suriashi today, even doing some tachiai moves in private. "If it gets better quickly I will be thinking of this (entering the basho) positively, and at present, I intend to enter.." he said, quite ambiguously. This morning he did sumo for the first time since the injury against Makushita opponents. 12 bouts. He was seen moving forward a lot. "It's not bad and it's not good, but I managed to move more than I thought. If I'll feel I'm overdoing it I'll know it.. " he explained. At this point, he is entering. Today he had 15 bouts against new Juryo Daishoumaru (college champ that started at Tsukedashi 15) and others. He was not looking good, going 2-3 against Daishoumaru. When pushed back, he stood upright and could not brace himself with the injured knee. He did not speak to the press. "You saw it. Not good. entering the dohyo at 70-80 percent seems good enough. Rikishi lose even if they have no pain at all.." said Oitekaze Oyakata. An injured, barely mobile rikishi (Endo) at 70-80 percent, who he seems to acknowledge is going to lose, is good enough for Oitekaze-Oyakata. (and who is making the decisions over there anyway? In 3 days it goes from Oitekaze making the decision to Endo telling him what he wants to do?) Meanwhile, Izutsu-Oyakata has a differing opinion when it comes to his own injured rikishi (Kakuryu) "This means an absence for two full tournaments in a row and I feel really sorry about it," said Izutsu. "It will take another month (for the shoulder) to completely heal. I am not sure how this will affect his sumo match fitness and that is a bit of a worry but we just have to do what we have to do." The difference between how a (former?) prospect is treated vs a Yokozuna? Is Izutsu-Oyakata more "enlightened' than Oitekaze-Oyakata when it comes to medical matters? Who knows. I just thought it was an interesting contrast. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted May 7, 2015 Endou will not be participating in tomorrow's YDC soken, (which will be open to the public so if you're in the KKan area, do drop in..). "Because he still can't do any sumo," explained Oitekaze Oyakata. Entering Natsu is "complicated". "We will decide a week before day 1. If he can't do any training on the dohyo there is no point, right?" added the Oyakata. Today he did some light shiko and suriashi and didn't go to the weigh-in as he was having his knee examined. Final decision to be made by Oitekaze Oyakata on May 5th. "Tomorrow, he will be telling us what he intends to do ," said Oitekaze Oyakata of Endou. He still hasn't done any sumo and did some shiko, teppole and suriashi today, even doing some tachiai moves in private. "If it gets better quickly I will be thinking of this (entering the basho) positively, and at present, I intend to enter.." he said, quite ambiguously. This morning he did sumo for the first time since the injury against Makushita opponents. 12 bouts. He was seen moving forward a lot. "It's not bad and it's not good, but I managed to move more than I thought. If I'll feel I'm overdoing it I'll know it.. " he explained. At this point, he is entering. Today he had 15 bouts against new Juryo Daishoumaru (college champ that started at Tsukedashi 15) and others. He was not looking good, going 2-3 against Daishoumaru. When pushed back, he stood upright and could not brace himself with the injured knee. He did not speak to the press. "You saw it. Not good. entering the dohyo at 70-80 percent seems good enough. Rikishi lose even if they have no pain at all.." said Oitekaze Oyakata. An injured, barely mobile rikishi (Endo) at 70-80 percent, who he seems to acknowledge is going to lose, is good enough for Oitekaze-Oyakata. (and who is making the decisions over there anyway? In 3 days it goes from Oitekaze making the decision to Endo telling him what he wants to do?) Meanwhile, Izutsu-Oyakata has a differing opinion when it comes to his own injured rikishi (Kakuryu) "This means an absence for two full tournaments in a row and I feel really sorry about it," said Izutsu. "It will take another month (for the shoulder) to completely heal. I am not sure how this will affect his sumo match fitness and that is a bit of a worry but we just have to do what we have to do." The difference between how a (former?) prospect is treated vs a Yokozuna? Is Izutsu-Oyakata more "enlightened' than Oitekaze-Oyakata when it comes to medical matters? Who knows. I just thought it was an interesting contrast. One very big difference is that a yokozuna can't be demoted. That takes off an awful lot of the pressure. Orion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted May 8, 2015 Endou is being urged to enter with sweet words by the press, as I expected, with the word "brave" being used a lot. Rikishi lose even if they have no pain at all.." said Oitekaze Oyakata I wonder if the words "stupid" and "insane" (which are much more realistic) were also used by the press. Probably not, because the word "brave" sounds like a much better one to use for this purpose. It creates an untrue positive version of what actually is a very negative situation. The sole purpose of the press is to get stories, no matter how they go about it. They often ask ridiculous questions and don't care about the people they're reporting on. Endo entering the basho with a severely damaged ACL will be a good story no matter how much his performance may suffer but that doesn't matter to the press. And if he injures himself even worse and it causes him to retire, that would be a "great" story. :-( I can now completely sympathize with the way Hakuho feels about the so-called "press". The oyakata doesn't seem to realize that when a rikishi loses when he has no pain, all he loses is a bout. If a rikishi loses when competing with a severe injury that has not healed, not only does he lose the match but he very possibly risks losing a once very promising career as well. In my opinion, just as the press is only interested in getting a story, the oyakata seems also to be interested in one just one thing--winning. I just hope he has enough common sense to have Endo sit this basho out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted May 8, 2015 This will likely sound cynical, but perhaps much of this is merely hype as well. Its possible that Endou has no intention of entering the basho. Which makes sense seeing as he's reportedly done almost no real sumo. But the daily "will he or won't he?"saga is also a "great" story. It keeps readers checking for an update. And if he sits out, there certainly won't be anything Endou related for them to write about during the basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted May 8, 2015 He's on the torikumi for Day 1 (and 2, for now). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 188 Posted May 8, 2015 Oitekaze Oyakata: "Rikishi lose even if they have no pain at all." What a statement! Great! Should be painted in large letters at the Heya's Dohyo. So motivating. Oitekaze Oyakata: "Not good. entering the dohyo at 70-80 percent seems good enough." My interpretation of these sentences is that Endo is currently at less than 70-80 percent. A ridiculous idea to compete in any serious competition in any sport at only 70%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted May 8, 2015 Oitekaze Oyakata: "Not good. entering the dohyo at 70-80 percent seems good enough." My interpretation of these sentences is that Endo is currently at less than 70-80 percent. A ridiculous idea to compete in any serious competition in any sport at only 70%. Well, entering at 70-80% of his usual power would not be a problem. Entering at 70-80% percent of his usual functioning limb count is a different matter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted May 8, 2015 Endou trained at home against the two other sekitori from the heya. 13 bouts, lost 9. 1-5 against Daishoumaru and 3-4 against the other Juryo guy Daieishou. Definitely not stellar stuff. He was seen easily overwhelmed by his opponents in most bouts. He was heavily favoring the knee and even lost six straight bouts. "His initial hit is no different than it was before the injury. The rest is a question of how the knee feels, no? " said Daieishou. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,511 Posted May 8, 2015 His initial hit is no different than it was before the injury. I'm sure it's just a matter of being lost in translation, but... TOTAL BURN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,537 Posted May 9, 2015 Endou wil be sporting an ooicho-mage for the first time tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted May 9, 2015 Endou wil be sporting an ooicho-mage for the first time tomorrow. Endou wil be sporting an ooicho-mage for the first time tomorrow. ...and also for the first time probably a "Mummynishiki"-style knee brace... :-/ Ireally have a bad gut feeling if Endo should really (try to) mount the dohyo tomorrow.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
