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[Koorifuu 1,099]

Is there a chance these moves could indicate unannounced and/or upcoming ownership changes?

[rhyen 1,856]

43 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Is there a chance these moves could indicate unannounced and/or upcoming ownership changes?

I think Kagamiyama to Oitekaze is to keep an eye on internal discipline (given that he was head of compliance committees and disciplinary boards in the past).

Sendagawa to Nishikido may either be a temporary help or future grooming (think Ikazuchi at Musashigawa)

[Asashosakari 20,132]

7 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Just noticed also that Sendagawa-oyakata (ex-Tokushoryu) has moved from Kise-beya to Nishikido-beya.

Oh, that must have been a later update today (April 1), it wasn't yet in the version my page watch service caught around 8am JST.

I guess there might be something to those old rumours after all?

On 13/09/2023 at 00:57, Asashosakari said:

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2) Another theory is that Nishikido (ex-Mitoizumi) has somehow been responsible for Toki holding the kabu in the first place, i.e. he's either a secret owner himself (contravening Kyokai rules against double ownership) or he has been supporting Toki's financial duties towards the actual owner, with Toki obligated to work in Nishikido's stable in return. There's some merit to this notion - Toki moved to Nishikido-beya from Kokonoe only a couple of months after he took on the Sendagawa share, and he had previously moved from Takasago to Kokonoe as well while he was officially borrowing the Sanoyama name owned by still-active Chiyotaikai. The idea here is that Mitoizumi is looking for somebody to take over Nishikido-beya when he turns 65 in four years, implying that Toki is not / no longer the successor Mitoizumi wants so he had to be replaced. But if Tokushoryu is the newly anointed candidate, why aren't they just doing the same thing as before and presenting him as the Sendagawa kabu owner? And if it's not Tokushoryu but another yet to be revealed rikishi, why did Toki need to go at this point in time?

Took a long time to materialize, if so...

Edit: What would be funny is if this ended the way the Shikihide succession did, with a Dewanoumi-ichimon member going there to take over a moribund stable but then taking it with him to Dewanoumi... In any case, Nishikido now only has another two years and change, he turns 65 in September 2027.

Edited April 1 by Asashosakari

[Yubinhaad 11,927]

FWIW @Tamanaogijima, per the Kyokai's latest business report, July 9th 2024 is listed as the change of ownership date for Takakeisho-Minatogawa, and Shimanoumi-Izutsu.

令和６年７月９日 
貴景勝（本名：佐藤貴信）による年寄名跡湊川の継承承認の件
志摩ノ海（本名：福薗航洋）による年寄名跡井筒の継承承認の件

Makes sense for Takakeisho anyway, that was the day of his final bout (fusen the next day, actual intai ten days later).

 

On 01/04/2025 at 14:39, rhyen said:

I think Kagamiyama to Oitekaze is to keep an eye on internal discipline (given that he was head of compliance committees and disciplinary boards in the past).

Maybe, he is still attached to the crisis management department as a sanyo. But is a 67-year-old really going to move into a heya for that? Anyway, it occurs to me that apart for Hitoshi, all of Oitekaze's current or former sekitori are kabu eligible, aren't they? Endo already has one, but Daieisho, Tsurugisho, Tobizaru, Daiamami, Daishomaru, Daishoho if he obtains citizenship... that's a lot of seats needed if even some of them want to be around the Kyokai table in the future, so maybe the collection of sanyo is preparing for that.

Edited April 7 by Yubinhaad

[Asashosakari 20,132]

1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:

per the Kyokai's latest business report, July 9th 2024 is listed as the change of ownership date for Takakeisho-Minatogawa, and Shimanoumi-Izutsu.

令和６年７月９日 
貴景勝（本名：佐藤貴信）による年寄名跡湊川の継承承認の件
志摩ノ海（本名：福薗航洋）による年寄名跡井筒の継承承認の件

Makes sense for Takakeisho anyway, that was the day of his final bout (fusen the next day, actual intai ten days later).

(I'm afraid you're off by two months with Takakeisho's retirement there.)

I suppose it was just a formality with Shimanoumi in the end, but they did leave it very late within the official five-year period after all (ex-Sakahoko died in September 2019). I'd still say we can take that as evidence that the tabloid-floated "heirs are expected to get a transfer done much faster" notion wasn't very credible:

On 30/05/2023 at 21:39, Asashosakari said:

And apropos the previous discussions, the article somewhat mysteriously confirms the existence of the 5-year rule to find a successor but claims that bereaved families only get a deadline of "two or three years". Considering we're already at three and a half years since Ushiomaru's untimely death, and that I don't recall any transfer of a family-held kabu that happened this late back when the official rule was still 3 years, I'm not quite inclined to believe that any such shorter deadline is being meaningfully enforced if it exists at all. Of course, "lack of meaningful enforcement" is arguably the name of the game concerning kabu.

In any case, I hope that's going to become a regular thing in the business reports that kabu changes of ownership receive an actual mention in the board of directors meetings summaries. BTW, we never found an official date for the transfer of the Furiwake kabu to Myogiryu, did we? The DB data currently has him taking ownership only with his retirement, but obviously we had that interview from more than a year earlier where ex-Ushiomaru's widow explained it as a done deal. The phrases used in the FY2024 business report also strongly imply that Myogiryu officially owned the kabu before his retirement already. (The name accessions by him and Takakeisho do not draw a connection to their retirement from the dohyo, while those by Kotoeko and Aoiyama do.)  

Edit: While I'm at it - Okinoumi's start as Kimigahama is currently tagged OO in the DB, but should presumably be KA.

Edited April 6 by Asashosakari

[Yubinhaad 11,927]

22 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

(I'm afraid you're off by two months with Takakeisho's retirement there.)

 

Oops, I saw his last bout on 9-9 and somehow superimposed that on the 7-9 acquisition date. 

 

22 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

In any case, I hope that's going to become a regular thing in the business reports that kabu changes of ownership receive an actual mention in the board of directors meetings summaries. BTW, we never found an official date for the transfer of the Furiwake kabu to Myogiryu, did we? The DB data currently has him taking ownership only with his retirement, but obviously we had that interview from more than a year earlier where ex-Ushiomaru's widow explained it as a done deal. The phrases used in the FY2024 business report also strongly imply that Myogiryu officially owned the kabu before his retirement already. (The name accessions by him and Takakeisho do not draw a connection to their retirement from the dohyo, while those by Kotoeko and Aoiyama do.)  

Same, but I'm not holding my breath. Three years ago they reported movements "Based on articles 1,2,3 (etc) of the rules", but I don't think that's been done since. I wonder if it's changes to the rules and regulations laid down by the government or particular ministry that affects the way the reports have to be written?

I haven't seen anything about Myogiryu and Furiwake. There are some nameless entries in the reports that don't tally with anything in Tamanaogijima's change log as far as I can tell, but that just leaves us with guesses and assumptions.

[Akinomaki 41,571]

The NSK announced today (not on their site yet) that Shotenro (Nishikijima) switched to Dekiyama and Chiyootori (Oyama) becomes Nishikijima https://hochi.news/articles/20250501-OHT1T51114.html

[Kintamayama 46,753]

7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

The NSK announced today (not on their site yet) that Shotenro (Nishikijima) switched to Dekiyama and Chiyootori (Oyama) becomes Nishikijima https://hochi.news/articles/20250501-OHT1T51114.html

Can this have anything remotely to do with a possible imminent Hokutofuji intai? 

[Kaitetsu 346]

3 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Can this have anything remotely to do with a possible imminent Hokutofuji intai? 

If the Oyama stock is now vacant, Hakkaku branched from Kokonoe, so I can definitely see a possibility of the kabu being vacated for Hokutofuji.

[Asashosakari 20,132]

On 25/12/2024 at 15:15, Asashosakari said:

An unexpected Christmas present: The Kyokai site has added headshots and, more importantly, links to individual profiles to its oyakata listing, unfortunately only on the Japanese side. Even includes toshiyori name histories down to first-name changes, as seen here for Shikoroyama. And don't miss the added summaries of their rikishi careers further down on each profile page.

BTW, I'm not sure if it was ever explicitly mentioned on the forum: This addition comes (somewhat late) on the heels of similar profiles appearing for gyoji, yobidashi and tokoyama around July 2023. Only wakaimonogashira and sewanin left without profiles now.

The wakaimonogashira and sewanin lists have seen headshots added this weekend. No personal profiles yet though. 

[Kintamayama 46,753]

On 01/05/2025 at 17:25, Kintamayama said:

Can this have anything remotely to do with a possible imminent Hokutofuji intai? 

Yay me.

[Yubinhaad 11,927]

Sendagawa-oyakata (former Maegashira Tokushoryu) has been moved up amongst the kabu owners in an update to the Kyokai's oyakata list. Newly-retired Hokutofuji is right behind him as owner of the Oyama stock. Likely no update to the duties list until sometime after the basho, I guess.

[Asashosakari 20,132]

On 17/05/2025 at 17:24, Yubinhaad said:

Sendagawa-oyakata (former Maegashira Tokushoryu) has been moved up amongst the kabu owners in an update to the Kyokai's oyakata list. Newly-retired Hokutofuji is right behind him as owner of the Oyama stock. Likely no update to the duties list until sometime after the basho, I guess.

The duties list has been updated now as well, effective May 15 (= day 5 of the basho, Hokutofuji's retirement date). No other changes besides the Oyama addition and the Sendagawa placement shift.

Edited May 22 by Asashosakari

[Akinomaki 41,571]

On 17/05/2025 at 17:24, Yubinhaad said:

Sendagawa-oyakata (former Maegashira Tokushoryu) has been moved up amongst the kabu owners in an update to the Kyokai's oyakata list. Newly-retired Hokutofuji is right behind him as owner of the Oyama stock. 

So Nishikdo bought him the kabu, as his successor - or rather as the acting shisho already, judging from the much better results of the heya recently - Nishikido for 8,9 years is going to dialysis for 4 hours every other day - he has no diabetes, but high blood pressure and blood in the urine, affecting his kidneys. Sendagawa came to watch keiko before, since Kise-beya is close. Same Takasago ichimon Wakamatsu had introduced like him Kindai graduate Sendagawa to Nishikido, with this the heya now has a Kindai connection - before the Haru basho the rikishi went to Kindai for degeiko. But Nishikido in an interview on NikkanSp premium about the switch said Sendagawa may become the successor if he wants to, so far he's just had his danpatsushiki and is not ready to become shisho.

http://www.nikkansports.com/premium/sports/news/202504090000607.html

Edited May 22 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama 46,753]

7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Sendagawa may become the successor if he wants to, so far he's just had his danpatsushiki and is not ready to become shisho.

http://www.nikkansports.com/premium/sports/news/202504090000607.html

I hear he wants to do a talk show. He's calling it Talk Show Ryu.

[Koorifuu 1,099]

Purchasing a kabu feels like a very generous reward for a few months of heya management. Are we really sure there isn't more of a catch here?

[Bunbukuchagama 923]

8 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Purchasing a kabu feels like a very generous reward for a few months of heya management. Are we really sure there isn't more of a catch here?

There is always a catch. 

[Akinomaki 41,571]

Result of the special rijikai today: Hakuho(Miyagino) retires from the NSK as of June 9th, Isegahama-oyakata becomes Miyagino and Terunofuji-oyakata Isegahama and the shisho of the heya http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2025/06/02/0019058040.shtml

Edited June 2 by Akinomaki

[Kaitetsu 346]

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Result of the special rijikai today: Hakuho(Miyagino) retires from the NSK as of June 6th, Isegahama-oyakata becomes Miyagino and Terunofuji-oyakata Isegahama and the shisho of the heya http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2025/06/02/0019058040.shtml

Is this effective immediately? 

[Akinomaki 41,571]

1 hour ago, Kaitetsu said:

Is this effective immediately? 

All as of June 9th, I fixed the date above

[Octofuji 414]

9 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Result of the special rijikai today: Hakuho(Miyagino) retires from the NSK as of June 9th, Isegahama-oyakata becomes Miyagino and Terunofuji-oyakata Isegahama and the shisho of the heya http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2025/06/02/0019058040.shtml

:exploding_head:

This isn't going to make the story any easier to follow!

[Bunbukuchagama 923]

5 hours ago, Octofuji said:

:exploding_head:

This isn't going to make the story any easier to follow!

Miyagino is dead; long live Miyagino!

[Koorifuu 1,099]

Mentioned in the 'Hokuseiho out (...)' thread - Hakuho originally wanted to give his kabu to Enho but Isegahama bought him out.

Sooo I hope Enho has a future playing a role in whatever projects Hakuho has, instead.

[Bunbukuchagama 923]

18 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Mentioned in the 'Hokuseiho out (...)' thread - Hakuho originally wanted to give his kabu to Enho but Isegahama bought him out.

Sooo I hope Enho has a future playing a role in whatever projects Hakuho has, instead.

I wonder what Enho is going to do now.

I got dogpiled in some internet sumo circles for merely suggesting that Enho's comeback could be motivated by his desire to acquire a kabu with Hakuho's help - "No, how could you - he just loves sumo so much!" 

[Tochinofuji 404]

2 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

I wonder what Enho is going to do now.

I got dogpiled in some internet sumo circles for merely suggesting that Enho's comeback could be motivated by his desire to acquire a kabu with Hakuho's help - "No, how could you - he just loves sumo so much!" 

My understanding was that he needed another basho as a sekitori to be eligible, and so had always assumed he was motivated by the desire to ultimately obtain a kabu and remain within the Association. I may be wrong in my understanding, but I don't see a burning desire to remain in that world  as undermining any love for sumo - rather it may well be evidence of it.