Benihana 1,959 Posted May 21 Tsutaezori now officially is Ura's No.1 winning technique when facing Takayasu. Ura and Asakiryu are the only sumotori to win by Tsutaezori 4 times, followed by Satoyama with 3 wins. Ura is the only sumotori who won 2 times against the same opponent via tsutaezori. Takayasu and Ryuden are the only to have lost twice by this kimarite. Takayasu twice vs. Ura, Ryuden vs. Ura and Satoyama. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,464 Posted May 21 (edited) Onosato is 6-0 vs Kirishima and 6-1 vs Daieisho. I don't mind one of them being skipped for Hakuoho - I am more interested to see if the latter has something that troubles the big guy. Not to mention it's finally the clash of the ultrahyped. There was a time when many people didn't think Onosato would ever be ranked higher than Hakuoho. Edited May 21 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sue 535 Posted May 21 How have Shodai and Chiyoshoma only had eight matches after all these years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaito 325 Posted May 21 14 minutes ago, Benihana said: Tsutaezori now officially is Ura's No.1 winning technique when facing Takayasu. Ura and Asakiryu are the only sumotori to win by Tsutaezori 4 times, followed by Satoyama with 3 wins. Ura is the only sumotori who won 2 times against the same opponent via tsutaezori. Takayasu and Ryuden are the only to have lost twice by this kimarite. Takayasu twice vs. Ura, Ryuden vs. Ura and Satoyama. I can't speak as to Asakiryu, but Ura definitely has done tsutaezori more than 4 times in reality. What you're really relaying is how often the kimarite has been correctly assigned to him, and whoever was doing the assigning was pretty incompetent at identifying tsutaezori until recently. Ura's famous "First at sekitori level in 27 years" izori and his even rarer tasukizori were both clear tsutaezori. Ura never went near the belt or the legs. Unfortunately, these clips end up being used as examples of izori and tasukizori, even by NHK, and alongside proper examples of the techniques, to which they bear little resemblance! I also recall an Ura tsutaezori attempt vs Azumaryu in Juryo, which was more or less successful, but Azumaryu kept his feet, resulting in Ura walking backwards into him for an ushiromotare win. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted May 21 3 hours ago, Sue said: How have Shodai and Chiyoshoma only had eight matches after all these years? Quite easy: they've been in the same banzuke region only recently again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 4,040 Posted May 21 3 hours ago, Sue said: How have Shodai and Chiyoshoma only had eight matches after all these years? As @Jakusotsu says, they haven't been near each other much. They're both 33, but Chiyoshoma entered at 18 and Shodai at 23, after college. Only twice were they within ~7 whole ranks of each other: 2017-2018 and 2024-2025; about 16 basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,099 Posted May 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, Benihana said: Ryuden vs. Ura and Satoyama. This is how we remember Ryuden's been around for a while. ------ RE the Shodai v Chiyoshoma discussion, we've had the exact same not too long ago but with Mitakeumi instead of the former. And yeah, one was a perennial ozeki/sanyaku and the other was a perennial makuuchi/juryo yoyo for the longest time... then the top dog starts to decline whilst coincidently, the yoyo turns into a late bloomer whose career high is reached aged 30+ and suddenly there's an overlap as the higher up falls and the lower one rises. Edited May 21 by Koorifuu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted May 21 9 hours ago, kumoryu said: Why is Onosato up against Hakuoho tomorrow? Surely, with four days to go, he should face the two Sekiwake, the other Ozeki, and the Yokozuna. What am I missing here? No one's kyujo are they? Completing the sanyaku schedule is no longer a priority of the torikumi committee, it seems. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Completing the sanyaku schedule is no longer a priority of the torikumi committee, it seems. Sure, but skipping an in-form sekiwake for a mid-maegashira with the same record? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialweek 2 138 Posted May 22 20 hours ago, Kintamayama said: Jury still out on that, it seems, as Murray seemed to have agreed with me yesterday. Strange, but I have yet to see clear evidence either way. This was clearly shinitai but Kumegawa did not choose his words well. The tawara is a legal part of the dohyo so anything other than feet on it is regarded as out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted May 22 4 hours ago, Reonito said: Sure, but skipping an in-form sekiwake for a mid-maegashira with the same record? Playing devil's advocate: Kirishima and Hakuoho didn't have the same record when the torikumi was made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,454 Posted May 22 Maybe they just want to give the public some fan service, pitting these two much hyped rikishi against each other for the first time. Doesn't hurt that Hakuoho has a decent score too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,099 Posted May 22 Enho looked so emotional after that mk. My spider senses are tingling. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,877 Posted May 22 That was some spectacular sumo by Tobizaru right there. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leoben 160 Posted May 22 15 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said: That was some spectacular sumo by Tobizaru right there. Great stuff. Beautiful sumo. So much nuance. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViscountessNivlac 35 Posted May 22 Well, Onosato feels fairly inevitable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaito 325 Posted May 22 A whole day of sumo with 0 mono-ii? How is that even possible? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted May 22 12 minutes ago, Kaito said: A whole day of sumo with 0 mono-ii? How is that even possible? Among Sekitori, you mean... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,099 Posted May 22 23 hours ago, Gospodin said: Kinboshi-related PTSD ? That would make great on a medical certificate. Kyujo with one week rest, to avoid the joi... NSK would be on board, they'd save a lot of money that way! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 1,099 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Kaninoyama said: That was some spectacular sumo by Tobizaru right there. Emulating his tsukebito, who also lost after a single shove yesterday. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 685 Posted May 22 Big village man zensho yusho, anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaeucherLax 292 Posted May 22 7 minutes ago, hakutorizakura said: Big village man zensho yusho, anyone? I thought the jinxing was someone elses duty on this forum 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankegami 580 Posted May 22 (edited) Day 12 of Natsu basho 2025 in the records after today. I'd like to wish my usual good day to everyone, but it was an emotional roller coaster more than anything else - at least for me. In fact, let me groan about the arasoi first this time around. So, Onosato is now just one win away from his (zensho?) yusho. He made small work of an over-eager Hakuoho, much the same guy who collapsed against Hoshoryu yesterday. Talking about the Nephew - many thanks for killing the suspense (grunt). I know, I know, Kirishima is a most respectable opponent, but I hoped that Hoshoryu finally felt the gravitas of the Yokozuna rank. Nice Ozeki bout, though. With a 3 (!) points lead on the runner-up 9-3 group, Onosato can seal the deal already tomorrow against Kotozakura. It is an actually god-sent pairing in this situation, since Kotozakura has the best record against Onosato after Hoshoryu himself. He must be on shape, though - but he looks like more and more his older self in the last few days. On the other hand, the basho's narrative has shifted from an if to an almost ineluctable when. Onosato has three shots at the yusho with tomorrow - he wins one, he seals the deal. The main story is now who will get a jun-yusho (more sansho stuff). The 9-3 "shame-walk" group include Hoshoryu, Daieisho, Kirishima, Wakatakakage, and Asakoryu (!). One between Hoshoryu and Daieisho will fall to 4 since they are pitted against each other tomorrow. Same for Wakatakakage and Asakoryu. Kirishima somewhat off-duty tomorrow, but he can still have to defend his three losses against Onosato if picked up for Day 14 (it's either him or Daieisho, I think they might decide after the day tomorrow). This also means we can well get an 11-4J as a result. Exciting (double grunt). Okay, I grunted enough. Let's talk about the others. I admit I never took an interest on Kotoshoho, but I am short of amazed by his run this basho. 6-1 streak and counting. He has an actual shot at hitting KK with a theoretical potential for a 9-1-5 final result. Awesome. And Nishikigi finally won one. Let's see if he can turn things around and save his megane ass. Props again to Asakoryu for hitting 9 and getting an actual shot for the jun-yusho, not to mention a possible sansho. He gets WTK tomorrow so I think it's difficult, but a little soldier can dream (but I'm going to use a vodoo doll on Atamifuji for failing to secure his KK - again). Kayo is himself on a winning strike and he hit 6 wins with today. Like Kotoshoho, he has an actual shot for a KK and can now save his Makuuchi spot anyway. Going up, I',m most glad Tamawashi got a good win against joi column Abi. He's already MK but I have a soft spot for the Ironman. Oho also got his MK after an initial 3-0 start (sigh). Again, I never really rooted for Oho - too average for my tastes -, but I feel for him. And - Takerufuji also got his first MK ever. It's just me or the Isegahama boys are doing awful this basho? The only sekitori in the -fuji group still able to get KK is Atamifuji of all people. There are a few good results in the lower divisions, but the general picture is not great (see here - for the entire stable see here). 4 hours ago, Koorifuu said: NSK would be on board, they'd save a lot of money that way! EDIT: I invite everyone to check Asashosakari's merciless corrections to my statement below for a clearer picture on older fusen practices in Ozumo. I believe it was an actual rule until the 1920s - I noticed it when I looked at the kinboshi records. When a Yokozuna was not confident in defeating an opponent, he sat out for the day to save his face. It wasn't listed as a fusen loss, however, but as a 'draw' of sort (white triangle marker). Actually, if I remember correctly it was a fusen, but was treated as a draw and therefore not as a win or loss. The 18th Yokozuna Ozutsu is infamous for abusing this rule late in his career. Both in Haru 1906 and Fuyu 1907, shortly before his retirement, he sat out every day of the basho - he didn't go kyujo, just sat out at the last moment every single day. This system also caused kinboshi to be even more spectacular in hindsight - because coming from an opponent the Yokozuna was actually confident to defeat. Edited May 22 by Hankegami Corrected data about Ozutsu - sorry 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 2,010 Posted May 22 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RaeucherLax said: I thought the jinxing was someone elses duty on this forum Haven't you noticed? Onosato is invulnerable to jinxes. The Ozeki Curse bounced off him and hit Kotozakura, just as he got a 14-1 yusho. More impressively, Wajima's normally infallible Jinx of the Collegiate Rikishi has failed to score a hit on Onosato. I was confident enough in my observations to state on day 6 that his yokozuna run looked unjinxably inevitable. Sure enough, he's kept on winning. QED Edited May 22 by RabidJohn 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 685 Posted May 22 Well, let's hope that he won't get a debilitating injury on Friday the 13th after a 12-0 cruise like his shisho. When you're feeling superstitious clap your hands *clap *clap 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
