Yamanashi 3,988 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Katooshu said: I might kinda feel bad for Takerufuji, but he's also benefitted from two very generous calls that I thought should have gone against him - the one below vs Ichiyamamoto and also a prior vs Onokatsu - so maybe this is the universe's balancing act. A real classic: "Hey, he stepped outside the tawara". "Yeah, but he stepped on his opponent's hand." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 827 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said: in consulting ChatGPT, it too seems to believe AI believes in many things, a lot of them are BS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,517 Posted May 21 19 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: AI believes in many things, a lot of them are BS. A recent study showed that Google's Generative AI is substantially wrong 60% of the time. I wouldn't trust AI for anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,941 Posted May 21 The point is that AI-generated explanations of anything can't be trusted at all and should never be distributed in the first place. 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,866 Posted May 21 Original post deleted, as it wasn't meant to be the distraction it became. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,974 Posted May 21 7 hours ago, Reonito said: Wait, really? An elbow on the tawara is different from an elbow on the dirt inside the dohyo? I thought if you touched anything with anything other than the sole of your foot, you lose. Jury still out on that, it seems, as Murray seemed to have agreed with me yesterday. Strange, but I have yet to see clear evidence either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 827 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Kintamayama said: Jury still out on that, it seems, as Murray seemed to have agreed with me yesterday. Strange, but I have yet to see clear evidence either way. It makes absolutely no sense. If the tawara is a "safe zone" for anything other than the soles of your feet, you could do cartwheels on it without losing the bout?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,188 Posted May 21 15 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: It makes absolutely no sense. If the tawara is a "safe zone" for anything other than the soles of your feet, you could do cartwheels on it without losing the bout?! That would explain Ura's strategy... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,866 Posted May 21 (edited) Hard to believe this tawara mystery has 1) never come up before and 2) none of the knowledgeable People of the Forum have a clear answer for it. Edited May 21 by Kaninoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mugatake 56 Posted May 21 Tsubota cites the same "sand" rules I mentioned earlier. http://tsubotaa.la.coocan.jp/binran/binran_r.html If Tsubota says it, it must be true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leoben 159 Posted May 21 (edited) URA! Takayasu looked completely stunned after that. Looked like he might be concussed or injured, he was very slow to get up and leave the dohyo. Edited May 21 by Leoben Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,866 Posted May 21 25 minutes ago, Leoben said: URA! Takayasu looked completely stunned after that. Looked like he might be concussed or injured, he was very slow to get up and leave the dohyo. They both did! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 673 Posted May 21 That was beautiful! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 673 Posted May 21 And just 2 basho ago the same thing happened! Takayasu didn't learn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankegami 576 Posted May 21 6 hours ago, Morty said: A recent study showed that Google's Generative AI is substantially wrong 60% of the time. I wouldn't trust AI for anything Ironically, AI is great for checking academic English. I recently learned to use it for my papers (I'm an Italian archaeologist) and it is just wonderful. Of course it was confirmed by native English speaker colleagues of mine. AI remains horrible for data analysis though. A colleague tried to put his results in and the AI is just not capable to elaborate them coherently. Apparently, language check works because the AI has access to high-quality sources exclusively, but data analysis does not because it is not able to tell apart actual good sources from trash talk. Anyway, happy Day 11 everyone! My usual comments of the day: Starting from the bottom, Asakoryu got his KK with 4 days to go and no real reason for him to be paired with the big boys - yet. I am glad for him. Also, Kotoshoho is having a great comeback after his initial kyujo - 5-1 in the last six days looks great. Going on, the strikers keep striking. Kayo goes on with his unexpected comeback (5-6 now), while Nishikigi cannot break his losing strike for his very dearest life. From 5-0 to 5-6 is most egregious. His loss from Shishi yesterday was a piece of work - his opponent did literally nothing to win. The middle Makuuchi went much as expected. Oshoma is low-key having a great basho (and tomorrow he's put up against WTK, in fact). Shodai is fading. His loss against Chiyoshoma today was so ugly he couldn't get it by being just lazy. On the other side of the moon, Oho finally broke his losing strike. He's 4-7 now and still can save his basho at least to some extent. Finally, the arasoi guys. Aonishiki did great against heavy KZK but lost by sheer gravity. I really grunted of displeasure there. The boy hooked KZK's leg perfectly twice, only to fall first thanks to the latter's body mass lingering on him. Onosato won again instead - and looks almost unstoppable. WTK threw even the kitchen sink against him, but it wasn't just enough. With this, Hoshoryu is the sole runner-up with his win against Hakuoho, after almost losing due to bad calls. I mean, he tried to pull that boiler-shaped unit of a rikishi of all things. Just tell me you want to be jeeted out immediately. He managed to recover and crush him down somehow, but man if I saw him out already. I wonder if the Nephew suffers from kinboshi-related PSTD syndrome. He's far more focussed against the san'yaku by comparison. In short, Onosato looks more and more like the guy. I doubt he has enough lack of focus to lose three bouts over the last four days, so I'd say that the three-losses group is virtually out of contention already (again, unless Onosato chokes very seriously). Hoshoryu can still ruin the party on day 15 but he needs someone else to defeat the Ogre for him first. Given how critical is his mass -as we just witnessed today - he needs someone of about his size. Tomorrow he gets Hakuoho (158 kg, never met), then it's a music chair game between Kirishima (147 kg, H2H 6-0 for Onosato), Daieisho (166 kg, H2H 6-1 for Onosato), and Kotozakura (179 kg, H2H 4-4) before getting Hoshoryu himself (150 kg, H2H 2-5 for the Nephew). Kirishima and Daieisho are unlikely to cause any upset - and this despite his strength and weight in Daieisho's case. Hakuoho is a total enigma until tomorrow, while Kotozakura, huh, all depends on his shape. One of the latter three will be scrapped anyway. KZK is more likely to be scrapped given his more modest record, but he will likely get his KK in the next few days and anyway the NSK will likely put Onosato against his most difficult foes to make things at least a bit exciting. In this perspective, perhaps Kirishima will be scrapped eventually. The room for two upsets is very narrow anyway. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,943 Posted May 21 I've watched Ura set up with his head under an armpit so many times and fail to do anything with it, but when it works it's magnificent. I reckon Takayasu may not have been dazed so much as wondering how he was going to cause himself the least pain getting up with his bad back freshly jarred. Been there... Onosato cleared his first proper hurdle today. Only just, but just enough is good enough. Hakuoho tomorrow - first time meeting. It's an opportunity for the M7 to attract a skukun-sho, and only over-eagerness prevented him claiming a kinboshi today, IMO. But it's also a bout a yokozuna candidate ought to be winning, just for the 'optics'. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gospodin 240 Posted May 21 21 minutes ago, Hankegami said: I wonder if the Nephew suffers from kinboshi-related PSTD syndrome. He's far more focussed against the san'yaku by comparison. Kinboshi-related PTSD ? That would make great on a medical certificate. Kyujo with one week rest, to avoid the joi... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 684 Posted May 21 6 hours ago, Kintamayama said: Jury still out on that, it seems, as Murray seemed to have agreed with me yesterday. Strange, but I have yet to see clear evidence either way. The tawara argument is fascinating, but if it counts as "not out" when you put your hand on the tawara, i'd expect practically everyone who is falling on their face to aim for it to hold themselves up. Don't remember ever seeing anyone trying to actively reach for the tawara... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kumoryu 97 Posted May 21 Why is Onosato up against Hakuoho tomorrow? Surely, with four days to go, he should face the two Sekiwake, the other Ozeki, and the Yokozuna. What am I missing here? No one's kyujo are they? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaeucherLax 292 Posted May 21 7 minutes ago, kumoryu said: Why is Onosato up against Hakuoho tomorrow? Surely, with four days to go, he should face the two Sekiwake, the other Ozeki, and the Yokozuna. What am I missing here? No one's kyujo are they? Maybe to eliminate one of the 8-3 Maegashira from the Yusho race... Asakoryu will probably also get a Sanyaku bout if he keeps on winning... but that's just me guessing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,188 Posted May 21 9 minutes ago, kumoryu said: Why is Onosato up against Hakuoho tomorrow? What's more, who would have thought that it took them so long to have their first match? (remember this poll?) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gospodin 240 Posted May 21 (edited) Puh, judging from the colour of Ura´s head it was about time to get out of Takayasu´s hold. Edited May 21 by Gospodin correction 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 621 Posted May 21 3 hours ago, RaeucherLax said: Maybe to eliminate one of the 8-3 Maegashira from the Yusho race... Asakoryu will probably also get a Sanyaku bout if he keeps on winning... but that's just me guessing. In most cases you might be right, but even if he beats Atamifuji (realistic), there are so many maegashira guys above him with seven or eight wins that I don't think this happens unless Onosato loses tonight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,388 Posted May 21 Hatakikomi was on the menu today as plenty of makuuchi rikishi served us this easy yet somehow unsatisfying dish Ura rightly deserves all the praise as he went against the hatakikomi flow and instead presented a wonderful back throw. I really wonder what went through his head -- "shall I just push him out? No, that's too boring. I know, it's been a while since I've got a nice tsutaezori..." Both Onosato and Hoshoryu had a fairly close escape. But a win is a win and he marches on. It'll be quite intriguing to see Onosato and Hakuoho, the two hot prospects from just over a year ago facing each other in this situation. An ozeki confrontation is tradition so I don't think the Onosato-Kotozakura match will be skipped, especially as Onosato is on a yokozuna run and therefore should face the higher ranks. Interestingly he'll still get to skip one sekiwake. Looking forward to an exciting end of the basho! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 202 Posted May 21 3 hours ago, kumoryu said: Why is Onosato up against Hakuoho tomorrow? Surely, with four days to go, he should face the two Sekiwake, the other Ozeki, and the Yokozuna. What am I missing here? No one's kyujo are they? I comment on this every now and then. This is always the same. They save the intra-Sanyaku bouts for the final days and regularly miss some of them altogether. I call this bad planning. If they saved a single "free match" for each Sanyaku in the last 5 days, it would be fine. The calamity this time started with the useless Hoshoryu-Ura + Onosato-Ichiyamamoto matches on day 10 . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
