Shiro 13 Posted March 15, 2013 Who else thinks if Takanoyama can get some weight on him he would be a tough man to beat? I think he is a phenomenal wrestler technique-wise. He's having a good Tournament so far it seems. 3-2 and he faces 1-4 Hochiyama tonight/today. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mukonoso 273 Posted March 15, 2013 Who else thinks if Takanoyama can get some weight on him he would be a tough man to beat? I think he is a phenomenal wrestler technique-wise. He's having a good Tournament so far it seems. 3-2 and he faces 1-4 Hochiyama tonight/today. I get some of the same feel about Takanoyama. I've got to be careful though since I think maybe I jinx rikishi I cheer for. I'm just about ready to give up on Kotooshu though. I want to like the guy a lot but his last several basho have left me greatly disappointed. This basho it seems as if he is just a inflatable doll loaded with helium and being quickly but gently shoved out of the ring. Especially today's (last night's) match versus Baruto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Anyone else sick of seeing Kisenosato try to have a staring contest with his opponent? He is going overboard with it. No. I'm sick of Hakuho's staring. Kisenosato doesn't hold a candle to the Yokozuna in this regard. Edited March 15, 2013 by Masumasumasu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 15, 2013 Who else thinks if Takanoyama can get some weight on him he would be a tough man to beat? I think he is a phenomenal wrestler technique-wise. He's having a good Tournament so far it seems. 3-2 and he faces 1-4 Hochiyama tonight/today. I will gladly trade metabolisms with him. I'm sure it'd help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted March 15, 2013 Who else thinks if Takanoyama can get some weight on him he would be a tough man to beat? I think he is a phenomenal wrestler technique-wise. He's having a good Tournament so far it seems. 3-2 and he faces 1-4 Hochiyama tonight/today. Um, he can't and won't... What you see is what you get. And for him, as much as I would love the guy to really succeed against high-M opponents, he's right where he should be, having a "good" basho against a lot of chopped liver, not unlike Rocky going into the frozen meat locker and pounding the crap out of hanging carcasses... Takanoyama has speed, some skill, but no body mass and that means he isn't going into a belt battle anytime soon. Personally, understanding that he comes from a judo background (I think), and seeing the time he's wasted in sumo, just how good could he have been, and how far could he have gone if he'd stuck with judo? I think in terms of bang for the buck, there might not be a higher strength:weight ratio in all of sumo. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,208 Posted March 15, 2013 Personally, understanding that he comes from a judo background (I think), and seeing the time he's wasted in sumo, just how good could he have been, and how far could he have gone if he'd stuck with judo?I don't know how good he was, but given that he was already 18 when he went to Japan, I suspect he must have had a decent idea of his station in high-level judo, and I doubt he'd have given up a potential international career if there had been one on the horizon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArchangelEST 13 Posted March 15, 2013 I just had to make an account to pitch in on the Takanoyama topic. Being a personal trainer and nutrition coach I have yet to come across an individual who is incapable of putting on weight - much less fat weight. Unless he has a medical condition that makes consumption of larger quantities of food dangerous or he has a intestinal parasite or something, I see no reason why he keeps himself at such a low level of weight. The extremely vast majority of people who have trouble putting on weight, are simply either picky eaters or they tend to be so highly active that they burn more calories than they have the willpower to consume through traditional solid foods. However, all it takes is some knowledge on how the body works to easily circumvent most of these problems. If Takanoyama says he has tried everything but just cannot gain weight - he is simply lying. Plain and simple. You need a certain amount of body mass to be successful at sumo - so you can consider the process of obtaining that body weight part of your "training" to become good at sumo. So to me, it just seems the guy isn't giving it all he could. It's possible he simply disliked getting obese - psychological issues are not uncommon, especially among athletes. I have no idea how the "gym scene" is in Japan and if rikishi are allowed to join a public gym, or if they have analogues at their heya's. If they are allowed to take the advice or be coached by traditional strength/bodybuilder coaches or if those options are limited. I can however guarantee that any solid coach from any gym could help Takanoyama easily gain 10-20kg of mass a year (And not just mass, a large deal of muscle mass at that) - and that's childsplay really, I'm only going to limit the number for health reasons. I see no reason why he couldn't go to 180kg in a year - it's just that it's likely his joints and ligaments would be in danger, so not advisable, but certainly doable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted March 15, 2013 Who else thinks if Takanoyama can get some weight on him he would be a tough man to beat? I think he is a phenomenal wrestler technique-wise. He's having a good Tournament so far it seems. 3-2 and he faces 1-4 Hochiyama tonight/today.I get some of the same feel about Takanoyama. I've got to be careful though since I think maybe I jinx rikishi I cheer for.I'm just about ready to give up on Kotooshu though. I want to like the guy a lot but his last several basho have left me greatly disappointed. This basho it seems as if he is just a inflatable doll loaded with helium and being quickly but gently shoved out of the ring. Especially today's (last night's) match versus Baruto. kjujo-jinx! :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 378 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) I think Chiyotairyu may be the best hope for a Japanese Yokozuna. I cannot roll my eyes enough, when I read those statements. There always will be promissing young (japanese) sumotori. But why do they have to be all future yokozunas? If we see a promissing young rikishi, let us see whether he will be a good maegashira and a maybe future san-yaku. If he is a good san-yaku then, the let us hope he will be a future ozeki. And after this, we can consider a young promissing rikishi as a future yokozuna. I guess if we do so, we will be less disappointed by all these "promissing future yokozunas". Edit: And no mono-ii after the Oiwato-Jokoryu bout...? Wow... Edit2: And a henka by Hakuho? What a negative surprise... Edited March 15, 2013 by Tsubame Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Henka-ho! Yeah, that was a pretty dick move, I thought. And right here someone was saying that no one would dare do such a thing to the yokozuna! Edited March 15, 2013 by Kuroyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Lol, you guys call everything a henka. I concede this one really was, I guess Hakuhō was afraid of the guy with his arm pulling tricks so he took the safe way out. The arm-bar throw he did yesterday was no henka, though; he made full-body contact before stepping to the side and executing the throw. Edited March 15, 2013 by ALAKTORN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 15, 2013 Lol, you guys call everything a henka. I concede this one really was, I guess Hakuhō was afraid of the guy with his arm pulling tricks so he took the safe way out. The arm-bar throw he did yesterday was no henka, though; he made full-body contact before stepping to the side and executing the throw. Who calls everything a henka? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted March 15, 2013 I read one page back and saw people calling Hakuhō’s win a henka. Maybe it was just Masumasumasu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Someone made a joke that way. It wasn't intended to be taken seriously. My own remark a page or two back was not related to this basho. Edited March 15, 2013 by Kuroyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted March 15, 2013 I’m sorry if it was a joke, I misunderstood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugman 384 Posted March 15, 2013 Henka-ho! Yeah, that was a pretty dick move, I thought. And right here someone was saying that no one would dare do such a thing to the yokozuna! Is it my fevered imagination, or did i read somewhere that Hak used a henka to clinch his Yokozunahood? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,383 Posted March 15, 2013 Well, so much for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 219 Posted March 15, 2013 And right here someone was saying that no one would dare do such a thing to the yokozuna! Are you're referring to me? Then I'm misquoted. I said those must be bold to do this. But some are. Indeed, Hakuho has been Henka'ed before and he Henka'ed before as well. Nothing new. Still, Yokozuna Henkas (both sides) are less frequent than for average Rikishi, for a number of reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted March 15, 2013 Henka-ho! Yeah, that was a pretty dick move, I thought. And right here someone was saying that no one would dare do such a thing to the yokozuna! Is it my fevered imagination, or did i read somewhere that Hak used a henka to clinch his Yokozunahood? Hakuho cliched his promotion after the 2007 Natsu basho with a zensho yusho. The previous basho, he henka'd Asashoryu in the play-off for the yusho. Asa was seen smiling when he returned to his mark and that was something I don't ever recall seeing him do after a loss. This is the evidence http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=200703&d=16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiro 13 Posted March 15, 2013 Baruto is 5-1. Doing what he has to do to get back on track. On another note does anyone see Kotooshu retiring soon? He just seems like he has really run out of steam. Looking back at the last 5 tournaments he does very well in the San-Yaku ranks but gets taken by the lower ranking wrestlers. Not a very good trend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Borislav 4 Posted March 15, 2013 I am pretty sure day 6 Daido - Yoshikaze was a hansoku. Am I mistaken, or someone else also saw it? For Takanoyama, I also think there must be some psychological reason behind his weight. Or he simply wants to be remembered as a very skinny wrestler, who did decently in upper Juryo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,208 Posted March 15, 2013 On another note does anyone see Kotooshu retiring soon? He just seems like he has really run out of steam. Looking back at the last 5 tournaments he does very well in the San-Yaku ranks but gets taken by the lower ranking wrestlers. Not a very good trend. It's not a trend, it's what Kotooshu has been like throughout his ozeki career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 688 Posted March 15, 2013 Well, I don't know if Takanoyama has a medical or psychological "block" from gaining weight, but the dangerous insulin business he was reprimanded for doesn't make it sound like he is someone who doesn't want to gain weight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiro 13 Posted March 15, 2013 What's interesting is how he went from M#5 10-5, K 12-3, S 13-2 and S 11-4 and then BAM! Ozeki promotion and nothing. I wonder what makes a wrestler stop like that. I think the Ozeki field in general has been lackluster as of late. And this tournament is no different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
