Bench Euro 2012

[Asashosakari 18,959]

If I understand the scoring correctly, I can only draw. However, I will lose if Netherlands fail to win, or if Germany win or draw.

NED win + GER draw would keep the draw, but your opponent's chain would still be active.

[Achiyama 1,229]

I was looking into the crucial happening in the top of the order. If Sweden loses nothing matters after spot 1. That's why I mentioned and discussed only these most important cases.

[Jejima 1,345]

Both Jejima and Mischashimaru heavily depend on the outcome of Sweden's first game against Ireland.

Or Sweden vs the Ukraine - even ;-)

Regarding Chabonowaka's point about spoilers - I think no need to worry. Once a match is over, assume that everyone already knows the result.

@Pandaazuma - I agree with your analysis - you need to play very defensive, boring football, and hope for a 0-0 draw.

Regarding the post group stages.... I am changing my mind on that (there seems to be a slight majority in favour of continuing), and so provisionally suggest that we have a plate, bowl and saucer competitions....

Hopefully those players who intend to 'sit-out' might change their minds - otherwise, we do have 'drone rules'. I guess, the black-listing for players not entering line-ups once 'knocked out' of the cup competition would have to be ignored, as the players did not sign up for that bit of the game.....

[Jejima 1,345]

@ Achiyama

I personally think your spreadsheet would be great as an "overall result" document, for the the whole tournament.

I agree! A very nice document. One very minor change, that I would suggest, would be to re-label the 'G' (for Games) to 'P' for 'Played', as this is the usual way for such tables in English. (I think it is to avoid any possible confusion with 'Goals').

[Achiyama 1,229]

@ Achiyama

I personally think your spreadsheet would be great as an "overall result" document, for the the whole tournament.

I agree! A very nice document. One very minor change, that I would suggest, would be to re-label the 'G' (for Games) to 'P' for 'Played', as this is the usual way for such tables in English. (I think it is to avoid any possible confusion with 'Goals').

Thanks, Jejima for your kind words. I'll fix the Standings Tables next time.

[Achiyama 1,229]

Well, that will teach me not to look at any previews or even odds before I pick my lads!! Memo to self: Czech Republic are rubbish!

If I understand the scoring correctly, I can only draw. However, I will lose if Netherlands fail to win, or if Germany win or draw. So Netherlands and Portugal to win for a glorious 0-0 draw!! Not impossible, but annoying that I've made this basic error.

I don't want to interfere with your gyoji, but I don't think you are out. I think that you might even win. Here is the case:

Spot#1 Netherlands has to win (Pitinosato and you will be 0:0, no chain broken)

Spot#2 Pitinosato and you will be 0:0, no chain broken).

Spot#3 If Germany wins - you are out.

If Germany draws or loses - score will be still 0:0, but Pitinosato will be out, because his chain will be broken.

And then it will be up to Spot #4 and maybe #5, and even maybe #6 to decide the score and eventually your win or draw.

I hope I am right. Sorry Kameumi, I just wanted to see if I can solve the casus.

Edited June 9, 2012 by Achiyama

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

Spot#2 Pitinosato and you will be 0:0, no chain broken).

I don't understand this part, maybe you will want to check the N-N table again.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Cheers, Asasho...you're right. But it will be a real stretch to come back from that.

Achiyama: I can't win...my chain has been broken at the number two slot with zero points already. 0-0 is my only chance.

[Kameumi 1]

I don't want to interfere with your gyoji, but I don't think you are out. I think that you might even win. Here is the case:

Spot#1 Netherlands has to win (Pitinosato and you will be 0:0, no chain broken)

Spot#2 Pitinosato and you will be 0:0, no chain broken).

Spot#3 If Germany wins - you are out.

If Germany draws or loses - score will be still 0:0, but Pitinosato will be out, because his chain will be broken.

And then it will be up to Spot #4 and maybe #5, and even maybe #6 to decide the score and eventually your win or draw.

I hope I am right. Sorry Kameumi, I just wanted to see if I can solve the casus.

That is correct.

No need to excuse yourself, by all means help my players if you want an can.

Its only a positive! :-)

@ Pandaazuma

Sorry for the harsh 1-4 loss. It could have been much closer with a bit more luck the Czech way.

[Achiyama 1,229]

Cheers, Asasho...you're right. But it will be a real stretch to come back from that.

Achiyama: I can't win...my chain has been broken at the number two slot with zero points already. 0-0 is my only chance.

You all are right and I am wrong. I must have looked in a wrong Table. :(

Edited June 9, 2012 by Achiyama

[Achiyama 1,229]

What a disaster. The Flying Dutchmen hurt so many of us. Who could expect that they will lose to the Danes.

I am out this round. :(

Of course, I still have a chance for a draw :) - if Croatia doesn't win (Am I right?).

Edited June 9, 2012 by Achiyama

[Kameumi 1]

What an upset from the Danes.

An amazing preformance that really took me by suprise.

Hats off!

[Jejima 1,345]

What a disaster. The Flying Dutchmen hurt so many of us. Who could expect that they will lose to the Danes.

Me! I even got the score correct - as can be confirmed by Andonishiki ;-)

My thinking was that the Dutch might be thinking too much about their subsequent two (trickier?) matches, and so might not be too focused on this game.

However, after watching the first 20 minutes, I realised how wrong I was.... Then my live-feed went down,,,, When it came back, Denmark were one up! :-)

[Asashosakari 18,959]

Spain-Switzerland déjà vu.

Yay, I picked France in that bracket, not the Netherlands...

[Kameumi 1]

Very intresting day of matches.

In group B the Dutch loss made sure that Pitinosato beat Pandaazuma as the match is decided on the very first slot. (Russia vs the Netherlands)

XaioTan is out and garanteed a 0 goal score with his ® team Netherlands in the first slot but can still draw the match if Italy upsets Spain tomorrow. (0-0 in such case thanks too Germany beeing removed for both players.)

[Achiyama 1,229]

Today's pair of matches didn't have a great effect on group "D". Rannohana and Mischashimaru have both Netherlands and Germany removed from their squads. The only player who might benefit is Jejima, who has Denmark on Slot #7, if it goes down to the last slot. I guess he is sorry that he didn't put Denmark on a higher slot.

Here is the updated Table for group "D":

Achiyama

Edited June 10, 2012 by Achiyama

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Hohoho! Hilarious stuff. Needed Ned to win and Ger to lose. Naturally, the very opposite happened! However, I'm actually quite glad Ned lost because it means that my dumb Czech error would probably/almost certainly have made no difference!

Well done Pitinosato...you have a good line-up...2 wins and 2 draws so far. I, on the other hand, have 1 win and 3 losses!! Marvellous! It may come to pass that it would have been impossible for me to win.

I will put in extra time on the training pitch and come back for the second match!

[chabonowaka 2]

hi kids!

figure it's about time for a group c update.

after two days of real world matches, we have some things narrowed down. we already know the winner of the Rubensan-Kintamayama match, though we don't know the final score yet. in the first round, Germany's win and the Netherlands loss gives Kintamayama a goal, and breaks Rubensan's chain. so that one is decided, but Kintamayama can rack up more goals before it's over. it looks like the Doitsuyama-Asashosakari match will rely heavily on tomorrow's France-England result, as Doitsuyama's chain will be broken in the second round. Doitsuyama's © already won in the first slot, so he needs a France loss to score a goal and break Asashosakari's chain. a France tie scores Doitsuyama a goal, but leaves Asashosakari's chain unbroken, and he will score a goal in the second round with his Germany over Doitsuyama's Netherlands. a France win further seals the deal, and gives Asashosakari a two goal lead after two rounds, with Doitsuyama's chain broken. the now, back to the France tie. that would tie things up at 1-1 after two rounds, with Doitsuyama's chain broken and Asashosakari's unable to be broken until the 5th slot, where it will definitely break, due to the loss of his ©. asashosakari also can't score in the 4th round, with a tie in an (n) vs (n) match. so that means a Spain win would stop Asashosakari from scoring in the third round, while a Spain tie or loss would give Asashosakari a goal and the win.

(i think that's all right. )

[Asashosakari 18,959]

and Asashosakari's unable to be broken until the 5th slot, where it will definitely break, due to the loss of his ©.

Check Table 9 again. ;-)

[chabonowaka 2]

oh, my fault! i think i had misunderstood Jejima's rules a little bit. with apologies to Jejima, i read the bit where once your chain is broken your © and ® become (n)'s, and had instead returned to table 3 for the standard © vs (n) rules, not realizing that they were a little bit different in table 9, for a © loss vs. a (n). so in that case, if Sweden loses, Asashosakari is still alive, and his ® is in a decent position to get him some points. and then with the 7th slot now being (n) Ireland vs. (n) Ireland, that slot is now crossed off, and the game is over.

sorry about my confusion, i'll be more careful, especially when i am giving the final results for the matches.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

The Andonishiki (FRA) - Jejima (ENG) match looks very interesting right now...

[Achiyama 1,229]

I think the most interesting matches are Doitsuyama vs. Asashosakari and Andonishiki vs. Jejima.

Right now Asashosakari has 4 goals scored, but are they gonna be enough? He must pray France not to lose, becuase if France loses tomorrow the winner will be Doitsuyama.

Jejima has already 3 goals scored, but he also has to pray Sweden not to lose, because otherwise the most he can get is a draw. So it's interesting till the very last game.

Here is the updated Table for group "D", which I am gyojing:

And here is the updated Table for group "C" (I hope Chabonowaka, who is already a WINNER - congrats, doesn't mind):

2 more matches to go in Round 1.

Rannohana, Mischashimaru, Andonishiki and Jejima just a reminder that Round 2 starts on Tuesday and I am waiting for your line-ups for Round #2.

All the Best,

Achiyama

Edited June 10, 2012 by Achiyama

[Kintamayama 44,639]

Hello and welcome to the alternate Eurobench game!! As usual with my ideas, you have to do absolutely nothing. I'll do it all for you. Basically, I take your guesses and treat them like a regular BS entry. Top team in the 4pt slot etc..

Scoring- your chosen team wins, it gets all the slot points. Tie? Half the slot points. Lose? Nothing. Goes to the bench? The usual, except after wins, we go for ties, then losses. Still tied?Most winners in the whole lineup. Still tied? Highest ranked C team that wins. Still tied? Highest ranked C team that ties. Still? Lowest ranked R team that wins.Still? Etc..

Example for real:

Rubensan:

4. Netherlands - 3. Poland~ (1,5) 3. Russia +(3) 2.Spain~ (1) 2. Ukraine(?)

Bench: Denmark +, Greece~

Kintamayama:

4.Germany + (4) 3.Croatia + (3) 3. Italy ~ (1.5) 2. Poland ~(1) 2. France(?)

Bench: Czech Rep. -, Denmark +

~=tie

Rubensan has 5.5 points, Kintamayama has 9.5 points. Both squads have a team that hasn't played yet, but Rubensan won't get 4 points, so Kintamayama is already the winner.

I shall post the results tomorrow, or you can do the math yourselves till then..

Edited June 10, 2012 by Kintamayama

[Andonishiki 168]

phew, still shocked about the Dutch, the Spaniards and.... the Krauts !

what a horrible game... a few more gray hairs for sure !

Portugal was clearly the better team and no wonder we played that bad with 7 (seven!) FC Bauern players to start...

Joooogiiiii raaaaaaauuuuuus !

anyway, my line-up for round 2 will be send shortly after round 1 ends.

Forza Frogs & Dawai Ukrainskji humanrights ignorskji :-)

[Andonishiki 168]

to sort out any misunderstandings of the last post..

I absolutely condemn the Ukraine human rights violation

I only support their football team today to win my bout

thanks for not misunderstanding